Young Tibetan mother and student self-immolate in China.

[StingRoy]

aren't they Buddhists as well?
I do not see Buddhists all over China elsewhere demanding more freedom to practice their own religion.
What is so special about its Buddha, not the same one???!!!

We all know how religion is monitored in China... so please spare your argument expecting Tibetans to follow the same way as the rest of the buddhist followers in China. Not everyone is the same in their beliefs.

 

[StingRoy]

Dalai urges suicides: Tibetan self-immolations applauded by Dalai Lama

For people believing in this farce propaganda from the Global Times, here is an article published on Shanghaiist on the topic of self-immolation.:

Robbie Barnett on the logic of self-immolation amongst Tibetans: Shanghaiist

The Chinese press has been arguing that these protests violate Buddhist principles and rules, but in fact they resonate strongly with Buddhist tradition. Suicide is shunned in Buddhism if carried out for personal reasons, but self-sacrifice for a noble cause is highly regarded. There are many stories about the Buddha doing this in former lives, most famously one in which he sacrifices himself by giving his body to a dying tigress so she can feed her cubs. So an act that is done for the good of the community is considered noble, and especially so if it is done by a member of the clergy.

It is because these acts have been done by monks, nuns or former monks, that it has been so hard for the Chinese government to discredit the protestors — it would be very different if lay people had been involved. The government had almost total success in discrediting five Chinese people, said by the government to be adherents of the Falun Gong sect, who staged a mass self-immolation in Beijing in 2001: the event was presented as proof that these people had been brainwashed and manipulated by the Falun Gong. But despite some tentative attempts by the Chinese press to do this with the Tibetan monks and nuns, these efforts have failed, largely because they are so widely respected within the Tibetan community.

 

[Greater China]

Thank you for accepting that Tibetans are subjects of Han-Chinese.

Look who's talking. The untouchables and tribals of India are discriminated against in a much worse way than Tibetan citizens in China. You treat the lower castes like dirt and this is reflected by the Hindu religion.

Indian racists revile dark skinned and low-caste people as rat eaters. Indeed, not few of them are forced to eat rats to survive!

Poor community in Bihar forced to eat rats for survival

Patna, Oct. 12 (ANI): A poor community in Bihar's Vashali district are forced to eat rats for survival.

Known as 'Mushars' or 'Bhuyans', the community in Sahdai block of Vaishali district is considered the lowest down the social strata.

There are almost 100 such families, who have not yet received any succour from the state government.

"Neither do we have a proper place to stay and food grains to survive, nor are we getting any. Our children are starving so we are eating rats," said Sohagiya Devi.

Due to unavailability of any school in the vicinity, children roam around in search of rats.

"We have no money to buy food. Even if we want to study, there is no facility of schools in our neighbourhood. Our only option is to survive on rats," said Dilip Kumar, a village boy.

The Musahars are among the most deprived and marginalised section of the society in Bihar.

In order to uplift the Mushar community, the Bihar government had planned to popularise the Rat meat last year. (ANI)

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Racism is very, very bad...

 

[huzihaidao12]

For people believing in this farce propaganda from the Global Times, here is an article published on Shanghaiist on the topic of self-immolation.:

Robbie Barnett on the logic of self-immolation amongst Tibetans: Shanghaiist

If the DALA would like to become a Buddha, and then go to the self-immolation, it is true, in line with the story, but to induce others to self-burning, it is more like a cult, look at the history of Chinese Buddhism as a whole, and no person is so crazy.

 

[StingRoy]

If the DALA would like to become a Buddha, and then go to the self-immolation, it is true, in line with the story, but to induce others to self-burning, it is more like a cult, look at the history of Chinese Buddhism as a whole, and no person is so crazy.

Dalai Lama has condemned the acts of self immolation himself, so to believe that he is instigating others is same as falling to propaganda news. If you understand the Tibetan culture and some aspects of Buddhism, you will realize what is forcing these young Tibetans from self immolation.

If you so believe that these Tibetans have been instigated by the Dalai Lama himself, why not crack down on these channels of communication with him. I have never heard from any Chinese media/govt on cracking down on this "so called" chain of command. Is it that tough to crack this channel for the mighty Chinese?

 

[huzihaidao12]

Dalai Lama has condemned the acts of self immolation himself, so to believe that he is instigating others is same as falling to propaganda news. If you understand the Tibetan culture and some aspects of Buddhism, you will realize what is forcing these young Tibetans from self immolation.

If you so believe that these Tibetans have been instigated by the Dalai Lama himself, why not crack down on these channels of communication with him. I have never heard from any Chinese media/govt on cracking down on this "so called" chain of command. Is it that tough to crack this channel for the mighty Chinese?

Sir, I promise, when a religious master is only limited in the field of religion, he was a master, wise / respected, but if he is involved in politics ( interest ), he is more dirty than ordinary politician, DALA is a political monk, if you understand what I mean, that's enough.

 

[StingRoy]

Sir, I promise, when a religious master is only limited in the field of religion, he was a master, wise / respected, but if he is involved in politics ( interest ), he is more dirty than ordinary politician, DALA is a political monk, if you understand what I mean, that's enough.

I doubt he has any political ambitions at this stage of his life.. please spare him and let him enjoy his sunset years. What you should be worried is that this resentment is now coming from within the people themselves and by just blaming everything on the Dalai Lama, you are making a joke of the genuine concerns for the people of Tibet. Treat the Tibetans with dignity and they will start to respect being a part of China.... humiliate and victimize them, they are obviously going to turn against you.

Hope you got my point.

 

[huzihaidao12]

I doubt he has any political ambitions at this stage of his life.. please spare him and let him enjoy his sunset years. What you should be worried is that this resentment is now coming from within the people themselves and by just blaming everything on the Dalai Lama, you are making a joke of the genuine concerns for the people of Tibet. Treat the Tibetans with dignity and they will start to respect being a part of China.... humiliate and victimize them, they are obviously going to turn against you.

Hope you got my point.

I just ask you a question, you know why these events (self-immolation) occurs in Sichuan, rather than Tibet?

 

[StingRoy]

I just ask you a question, you know why these events (self-immolation) occurs in Sichuan, rather than Tibet?

I would like to know more... please go ahead. Is it because of more Chinese paramilitary forces present in the region?

 

[huzihaidao12]

I would like to know more... please go ahead. Is it because of more Chinese paramilitary forces present in the region?

Because those mainly rebels from Sichuan in the 50S-60S, they are the Sichuan slave-owning aristocracy in the past, because of the land reform and democratic reform, they fled China in 50S-60S, today, they are the main supporter for the Tibet independence movement, they received a huge amount of money from the West ( and India ), this is an interest group, the Dalai Lama is a political Lama, he represents the group ( the slave-owning aristocracy ) interests, it even doesn't matter and DALA personal will, they obey the command from the western ( I believe that India did not make the trouble ), which is called" burn", it made no difference and past disturbances, they make trouble for China, manufacturing attention, then get the money from the west, only this time, they more crazy. It's all.

Those who care more about Sichuan ( past their interests and influence ) compared to the Tibet.

 

[gpit]

Tibet already is an A.R. (Tibet Autonomous Region - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). What the Tibetans are demanding is more freedom to practice their own religion and culture.

India has much religious freedom, but religious sectarian violence is arguably the highest in the world. Countless people are killed/injured on daily bases.

Practice their own culture? The culture that emphasizes self-killing should be discouraged, or criticized.

Back to the topic.

Dai Lai Lamar has to be blamed for not teaching his followers properly.

In addition, if a religion or the teaching of a religion can make a mother not only kill herself, but also cause her to murder her own daughter, we rational people really have to caste a suspicious eye on it.

 

[S10]

All religious nuts in Tibet should do this to themselves, since they are unfit to live in the modern world. I don't know about this woman, but I can almost guarantee she's an illiterate, dirt poor and still gives most of her money to the monasteries.

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

India has much religious freedom, but religious sectarian violence is arguably the highest in the world. Countless people are killed/injured on daily bases.

Practice their own culture? The culture that emphasizes self-killing should be discouraged, or criticized.

Back to the topic.

Dai Lai Lamar has to be blamed for not teaching his followers properly.

In addition, if a religion or the teaching of a religion can make a mother not only kill herself, but also cause her to murder her own daughter, we rational people really have to caste a suspicious eye on it.

India has much more freedom in religion, so does that mean Indians have more freedom to discriminate the untouchable because the caste system is part of their religion?

 

[StingRoy]

Because those mainly rebels from Sichuan in the 50S-60S, they are the Sichuan slave-owning aristocracy in the past, because of the land reform and democratic reform, they fled China in 50S-60S, today, they are the main supporter for the Tibet independence movement, they received a huge amount of money from the West ( and India ), this is an interest group, the Dalai Lama is a political Lama, he represents the group ( the slave-owning aristocracy ) interests, it even doesn't matter and DALA personal will, they obey the command from the western ( I believe that India did not make the trouble ), which is called" burn", it made no difference and past disturbances, they make trouble for China, manufacturing attention, then get the money from the west, only this time, they more crazy. It's all.

Those who care more about Sichuan ( past their interests and influence ) compared to the Tibet.

What you are saying is possible, there are several self interest groups based in the west who are quite capable of funding. I could give numerous examples here, but that's for another topic. I guess a similar structure existed in the Tibetan region as well... very similar to what you described in the Sichuan province.

So why are these self immolations more in Sichuan than in TAR. Is it because more people in Sichuan province also want freedom? (or autonomy like Tibet?)

 

[StingRoy]

India has much religious freedom, but religious sectarian violence is arguably the highest in the world. Countless people are killed/injured on daily bases.
Practice their own culture? The culture that emphasizes self-killing should be discouraged, or criticized.

Hard to draw an analogy here. I feel what is prosecuted in China is religious freedom (we all know about govt sanctioned places of worship and govt sanctioned preachings).. thats the State interfering in the Subjects religious beliefs. In India the state does not impose any sanctions, but there are few incidents of religious sectarian violence at times... (nothing close to the countless daily figures that are fed to you, I am sorry but thats plan exaggerated figment of imagination or fantasy numbers that you wish were true).
If you do get sometime, then read about Karma and Moksha. If you are not at all religious... please skip.

Back to the topic.

Dai Lai Lamar has to be blamed for not teaching his followers properly.

In addition, if a religion or the teaching of a religion can make a mother not only kill herself, but also cause her to murder her own daughter, we rational people really have to caste a suspicious eye on it.

Again I want to mention here, that the desire for self-immolation is quite an individual choice in buddhism. (mainly followers of Lotus sutra). Self immolation is not just limited to Tibetans, infact it has being reported from other nations as well... Vietnam, Thailand, Sri Lanka... now do you think that all were instigated by the Dalai Lama?