'You should consider our feelings': for Chinese students the state is an extension of family

[rustom]

Last month during Donglang standoff was as great a time as ever.
India was having fun poking at China for some time now with no consequences.
The humiliation of India at Donglang standoff is a rude awakening for the cowardly Indians.
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Humiliation if anything was on china, we fucked around for 72 days to stop the road and china has removed the equipment's. Spin what you want but this was big middle finger to wana be super power . Icing on the cake, was declaring Pakistan based terrorist group during BRICS declaration. India got what it wanted.

 

[sinait]

Humiliation if anything was on china, we fucked around for 72 days to stop the road and china has removed the equipment's. Spin what you want but this was big middle finger to wana be super power . Icing on the cake, was declaring Pakistan based terrorist group during BRICS declaration. India got what it wanted.

It is so comedic watching Indians try to turn black into white.
India was stuck on Donglang for 72 days, unable to withdraw without consequence to its reputation, but cannot stay too long lest China will kill them off in a war.
Instead of reflecting over how stupid they got themselves in such a dilemma,
Indians are out trying to spin cowardly slithering away as a triumph.
India is lucky that China is not out to thoroughly humiliate pesky India as only the US is the worthy opponent that China is focused on.
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[beijingwalker]

Nothing is permanent in this world. India's stance can change. May be accept ROC as the only China.

For some countries it has become a habit to de-recognize PRC and recognize ROC, then swing back.

Strangely, US is selling weapons to Taiwan and PRC is not giving a damn about it. So, I guess just to convince China that they accept Taiwan as part of China, which may or may not Change in the future.

Time is on China's side, China is a fast ascending power the west is declining. As for India, an insignificant state that nobody cares what it says.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

'You should consider our feelings': for Chinese students the state is an extension of family
Merriden Varrall

‘In their view, the state was an extension of the family, and should therefore be accorded all the obligations and loyalty traditionally due to family.’ Photograph: Dave and Les Jacobs/Getty Images/Blend Images

The recently released Chinese student’s recording of the argument he has with his teacher about using the word “Taiwan” illustrates how issues of sovereignty and territoriality can be very emotional for Chinese students.

In the video, the Chinese student says, in a calm voice: “You have to consider all the students … Chinese students are one third of this classroom. You make us feel uncomfortable.” He goes on to argue, “You have to show your respect.” The discussion becomes somewhat unclear, but it sounds like the student then says, “It really makes us feel terrible.” His next comment sounds like he is getting frustrated and upset: “Why do you always keep saying that? ‘Taiwan!’ As if it is a separate country.”

The teacher responds: “From where I am standing, Taiwan is a separate country. If you feel offended, that is your opinion.”

The student replies: “You should consider our feelings. You don’t have to mention it many times, and like hurt us once again.” He finishes with, “It is our bottom line, and you keep touching on it.”

It is not clear from the video exactly what the teacher said that caused the student such offence; however, Newcastle University said in a statement that the lecturer was using material from a Transparency International report “which used the term ‘countries’ to describe both countries and territories”.

What is immediately notable is that while the student is not satisfied with his teacher’s position, he does not even attempt to deploy what he may consider to be relevant facts or rational counter-arguments to support his own case. He is not trying to draw on his understanding of history, or setting out what he might see to be the relevant details of the arrangements that currently influence the relationship between the mainland and the island.

Rather, the student repeatedly appeals to emotion, in particular, how referring to “Taiwan” as a separate country hurts the feelings of Chinese students.

The mantra of “hurting the feelings of the Chinese people” is not new. This emotionally charged phrase is used regularly in the Chinese press, with varying degrees of vitriol when, for example, a foreign politician meets with the Dalai Lama. In another case, singer Bob Dylan was warned not to “hurt the feelings of the Chinese people” when he toured China before he had even arrived in the country. In a similar vein, my Chinese friends and colleagues would tend to react with great emotion if they felt that China was being criticised by an outsider – even in relation to topics like the weather or the traffic.

Research by Victor Mair in 2011 into this phenomenon found that an internet search on the phrase “hurt the feelings of the Chinese people” resulted in 17,000 hits, as compared with replacing the “Chinese people” with the “Japanese people” (the next many hits, at 178) or 17 other nationalities which came up with zero hits. In an earlier search on google.cn of the terms “humiliation” or “bullying” (qifu: 欺负) and “disrespect” or “looking down” (kanbuqi: 看不起), anthropologist and historian Pal Nyiri found 623,000 entries with the term “qifu Zhongguo” (欺负中国, bullying China) and 521,000 with “kanbuqi Zhongguoren”(看不起中国人, looking down on Chinese people).

This tendency to be easily offended taps into the narrative of “national humiliation” which many Chinese subscribe to – the idea that the outside world deliberately carved China up during the opium wars of the mid-1800s, leaving it weak and vulnerable. President Xi Jinping’s “China Dream” of rejuvenation is a direct response to this view.

Some Chinese people have explained to me that the tendency to take offence when an outsider comments on China in a way they perceive as a criticism stems from the idea the country and the family are conceptually conflated such that they are understood as deserving equal loyalty. In a conversation with one Chinese scholar on the matter, I said that when Australian government policy was criticised internationally, it generally did not make Australians feel “hurt” in the same way Chinese people seemed to react when China was criticised. He said, “Because, you know, so many (western) people don’t understand how the relationship between people and state in China is like a family!” He explained how even the Chinese word for country, guo jia, is made up of the character for country/state, and the character for family (国家).

The Chinese students I taught in Beijing also felt very strongly that the idea of guojia, or “country-family”, expressed the relationship between people and the state in China very well. In their view, the state was an extension of the family, and should therefore be accorded all the obligations and loyalty traditionally due to family. My students felt strongly that while it may be acceptable for them or other Chinese people to comment on shortcomings or mistakes of the Chinese nation-state, it was entirely inappropriate for those outside to do so. Students took external criticism of China very personally, explaining their emotional response in terms of being “offended” or of experiencing hurt feelings.

Officially, the status of Taiwan is a “core interest” for China. That is to say, most Chinese consider the idea that Taiwan is an indisputable part of China is sacrosanct. They learn it at school, and in almost everything they see and hear as they grow up. To them, Taiwan is a family member; that is why discussions about its sovereignty tend to be emotional. Many Chinese students find it difficult to articulate why they feel the way they do about Taiwan – particularly because they have not had much training in debating or critically arguing a point. And they find it impossible to fathom that foreigners cannot understand their position on Taiwan.

There is another fascinating question the release of this video raises: why did the student record and publicise this moment? What was he trying to achieve?

The Chinese student’s lecturer was right to say that his course could not cater to any particular group, and that navigating different views and opinions is an integral part of the learning experience. But it is very difficult for many Chinese students to accept that “the Taiwan issue” is in any way a matter of opinion.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-students-the-state-is-an-extension-of-family

The same argument is given by an emotional individuals who would end up as radical right wing extremist (please note, I am not using the word terrorist here, as terrorists have no religions), i.e. "Think from my perspective, religion is my extension and I am part of it and I can do anything for it".

He should be open to listen to the idea and expressions of the extreme contrasts. In international schools where students from all part of the world comes who have contradictory notions, views, ideas and sometimes totally contrast to each others, these things happen. Kiddo should be dealt with some patience and counselling.

 

[beijingwalker]

The same argument is given by an emotional individuals who would end up as radical right wing extremist.

It's been around for as long as China has been around and we didn't breed many radicals as our neighbors do.

 

[jetray]

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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/20/asia/india-universities-nationalism-abvp/index.html
'Anti-national': Is free speech being stifled at Indian universities?

India beacon of freedom, surely you jest.
Yeah, I guess freedom only for the Gau Rakshaks.
Freedom to openly shit anywhere.
Freedom to rape and kill.
Freedom to live in slums and become world renowned slumDOGS.
Freedom to die from lack of oxygen.
Freedom for the Army to use human shields to control protests.
So much Freedom in INCREDIBLE INDIA.
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happy to know that you have freedom to respond.
you are even able to access the internet.
sorry if I have hurt ur feelings.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

It's been around for as long as China has been around and we didn't breed many radicals as our neighbors do.

Now you know, you should stop investing in CPEC and thus stop helping radicals breed.

 

[Dem!god]

Lol...china is my, in-law's jagir, chinese govt stand and way they talk is undermining me and hurting my feeling. Chinese govt must consider my feeling and incorporate it.

Kutch bhi bakwas kar do..

 

[beijingwalker]

happy to know that you have freedom to respond.
you are even able to access the internet.
sorry if I have hurt ur feelings.

China always knows civil war won't be supported by the Chinese people . China believes that once China is super powerful Taiwan will beg to be reunited. That's why I say time is on our side. Art of war: winning without firing a single shot. China increasingly finds what her economic power can do these years and shifted to what you so called "flexibility" , before China tended to fight whenever there was a conflict cause there was no other options for China, now China has more than one option to deploy.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Time is on China's side, China is a fast ascending power the west is declining. As for India, an insignificant state that nobody cares what it says.

It's not a peaceful rise. Also the declination of west is still a myth. Because the western economies are still growing including the US and Australia.

At some point for China, money won't be able to buy more friends.

India may or may not be insignificant. But when we reach a better economic state, you will see who get's more support. A totalitarian regime or a democratic system.

And history has taught us that, communism and tight suppress of freedom of speech will eventually lead to chaos and disintegration. China at one point will have to become democratic if it wants to continue to rule the masses.

 

[beijingwalker]

It's not a peaceful rise. Also the declination of west is still a myth. Because the western economies are still growing including the US and Australia.

At some point for China, money won't be able to buy more friends.

India may or may not be insignificant. But when we reach a better economic state, you will see who get's more support. A totalitarian regime or a democratic system.

And history has taught us that, communism and tight suppress of freedom of speech will eventually lead to chaos and disintegration. China at one point will have to become democratic if it wants to continue to rule the masses.

History is always being made by human development, no one stays on top forever. China is making history now by breaking many record in the human development. India is a very very divisive society and strongly influenced by opposing religions of all sorts, it's a delusion that a country with these traits can make any significant economic success. All the world knows that the west is just using you.

 

[sinait]

happy to know that you have freedom to respond.
you are even able to access the internet.
sorry if I have hurt ur feelings.

Wondering if you are just ignorant or stupid.
A lot of Indian blogs are based off Singapore.
We have one of the best Internet connectivity in the world.

Its true we don't have as much freedom as India.
We don't have Freedom to shit openly anywhere.
We cannot lynched fellow countrymen for eating beef.
We cannot use a human shield in front of our cars.
We cannot rape and kill women and go scot free.
Our cows don't have Freedom to roam the streets, can only end up in our stomachs.
We don't have Armed Forces Special Powers Act to torture and intimidate our minorities.
India can keep those Freedoms, HAHA.
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[gambit]

Not according to the United Nation and all but very few governments including India. guess you don't know that ,better educate yourself first.

Until the UN enforces the Chinese argument that Taiwan belongs to China, Taiwan is de facto an independent country. And we all know the UN is quite helpless when it comes to enforcement of anything.

 

[beijingwalker]

Until the UN enforces the Chinese argument that Taiwan belongs to China, Taiwan is de facto an independent country. And we all know the UN is quite helpless when it comes to enforcement of anything.

We all know that and that's actually exactly what China wants, to keep the situation stable and play for time.

 

[rustom]

50 cents center? thats getting old, how about some typical annoying "5 rupees call center daily bombing in USA here"
Ah lo (hello), our arlo yu, (how are you), mine lamp ishi Dula Sing (my name is dula singh) wok cun ir dove fuc yo? (what can i do for you?) yo run thirst pies of a fee drip (you won 1st price of a free trip)
Cowardice Indian army boys running away with tails between their legs as usual, credits need to given when due, you Indians are getting smarter after the crushing moments in 1962, run away before being crush like ants LOL

as long as it annoys Chinese zombies on this forum, 50 center comment stays