You cant fight india with a weak economy ...

[Gangetic]

To all Pakistanis, who are haling future American withdrawal as a Taliban victory.

A reverse phycological question for you.

If you were to declare war on India and India captured entire Pakistan(very improbable but lets assume for argument's sake) .
India installed a puppet goverment and ruled Pakistan for next 20 years. There are pockets of resistance and guerilla fighting. But things go on.

Finally one day, India decides, ruling Pakistan is not worth their resources and decides to leave of its own accord.

Would you claim that Pakistan won that war?

Because, that is what exactly Taliban won.

The outcomes of wars depends entirely on objectives.
Did the US go into Afghanistan to topple the Afghan government only to have the Taliban ruling it once they are force to withdraw? Then yes, the Taliban technically won.

 

[El Sidd]

To all Pakistanis, who are haling future American withdrawal as a Taliban victory.

A reverse phycological question for you.

If you were to declare war on India and India captured entire Pakistan(very improbable but lets assume for argument's sake) .
India installed a puppet goverment and ruled Pakistan for next 20 years. There are pockets of resistance and guerilla fighting. But things go on.

Finally one day, India decides, ruling Pakistan is not worth their resources and decides to leave of its own accord.

Would you claim that Pakistan won that war?

Because, that is what exactly Taliban won.

You have zero concept of freedom.

220 Million Pakistanis will fight till their kin cannot write or hear the name Pakistan for 10 generations.

You have no idea what you are getting into.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

To all Pakistanis, who are haling future American withdrawal as a Taliban victory.

A reverse phycological question for you.

If you were to declare war on India and India captured entire Pakistan(very improbable but lets assume for argument's sake) .
India installed a puppet goverment and ruled Pakistan for next 20 years. There are pockets of resistance and guerilla fighting. But 90 percent, who die, are Pakistanis.

Finally one day, India decides, ruling Pakistan is not worth their resources and decides to leave of its own accord.

Would you claim that Pakistan won that war?

Because, that is what exactly Taliban won.

did india achieve her objective? were they successful in their attempts to remove the elements they came after for?

 

[Nasr]

Why cant you be merciful to them?

First of all, there is only ONE who is most Gracious and Merciful and that is ALLAH.

Secondly, who are you referring to, for me to be merciful to?

 

[Kharral]

To all Pakistanis, who are haling future American withdrawal as a Taliban victory.

A reverse phycological question for you.

If you were to declare war on India and India captured entire Pakistan(very improbable but lets assume for argument's sake) .
India installed a puppet goverment and ruled Pakistan for next 20 years. There are pockets of resistance and guerilla fighting. But 90 percent, who die, are Pakistanis.

Finally one day, India decides, ruling Pakistan is not worth their resources and decides to leave of its own accord.

Would you claim that Pakistan won that war?

Because, that is what exactly Taliban won.

Let me make it simple for you with some more plausible examples.

Would you have considered it a victory for Prithviraj Chauhan or the local Indian population of the time if they had somehow managed to resist Ghori’s invasion for 20 odd years & make him leave their land eventually by negotiating his withdrawal at a huge cost economically & reputation wise ?

You can apply that scenario to the Aryans, Bin Qasim, Ghaznavi, the Mughal’s, Abdali, the French, the Portuguese & the British.

I am leaving out Alexander deliberately, because he had to retreat without leaving any claim to suzerainty over the Indian subcontinent.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

To all Pakistanis, who are haling future American withdrawal as a Taliban victory.

A reverse phycological question for you.

If you were to declare war on India and India captured entire Pakistan(very improbable but lets assume for argument's sake) .
India installed a puppet goverment and ruled Pakistan for next 20 years. There are pockets of resistance and guerilla fighting. But 90 percent, who die, are Pakistanis.

Finally one day, India decides, ruling Pakistan is not worth their resources and decides to leave of its own accord.

Would you claim that Pakistan won that war?

Because, that is what exactly Taliban won.

Would never reach that stage as the WHOLE of india would be turned into sand and glass before any of the above scenario happens.........:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/12


Your scenerio is as deluded as indian claims of having invented the internet 10,000 years ago and UFOs/Aeroplanes 7,000 years........:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/india-ancient-internet/558725/

https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/01/pilot-claims-india-invented-airplane-7000-years-ago/

 

[N.Siddiqui]

To all Pakistanis, who are haling future American withdrawal as a Taliban victory.

Actually we are claiming it as Pakistan's victory, Talibans were the proponents...vice versa.

 

[El Sidd]

First of all, there is only ONE who is most Gracious and Merciful and that is ALLAH.

Secondly, who are you referring to, for me to be merciful to?

You as in Muslim who is aware enough to Muslims who are not aware or weak in their faith in your judgement.

 

[Osiris]

Let me make it simple for you with some more plausible examples.

Would you have considered it a victory for Prithviraj Chauhan or the local Indian population of the time if they had somehow managed to resist Ghori’s invasion for 20 odd years & make him leave their land eventually by negotiating his withdrawal at a huge cost economically & reputation wise ?

You can apply that scenario to the Aryans, Bin Qasim, Ghaznavi, the Mughal’s, Abdali, the French, the Portuguese & the British.

I am leaving out Alexander deliberately, because he had to retreat without leaving any claim to suzerainty over the Indian subcontinent.

If another army is able to conquer your country, rule it for 20 years and then it is a defeat, no matter how you see it.
British conquered India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, ruled it for 200 year and then had to leave. Would you claim, that India /Pakistan/Bangladesh defeated British in war?

China captured a portion of Indian land in AP, had it in their possession for 20 day, then had to leave it. Does that mean India defeated China in 1962 ?

 

[nahtanbob]

Tell you how.. remember what Taliban did with mighty USA and NATO...money don't win you wars idiot

Name a single Afghan who benefited from the Taliban. afghans have seen nothing but misery. the afghans are busy running to live as 3rd tier citizens in the very countries Taliban claims to fight.

 

[Osiris]

The outcomes of wars depends entirely on objectives.
Did the US go into Afghanistan to topple the Afghan government only to have the Taliban ruling it once they are force to withdraw? Then yes, the Taliban technically won.

US went to Afghanistan to finish of Al Qaeda( they had no enmity with Taliban, even offered to leave them alone, if they handed over OBL.) and to make sure Al Qaeda can never use Afghanistan as base for their terrorist activities ever again.
So ??

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Those with strong economy will also have fear of war because war destroy economy lol

I think India has much more to lose than Pakistan in case of war..

America has strong economy but still finding excuse to escape from Afghanistan .

 

[Osiris]

did india achieve her objective? were they successful in their attempts to remove the elements they came after for?

In this scenario, it was Pakistan who declared a war on India, to capture Kashmir or whatever.

 

[Nasr]

You as in Muslim who is aware enough to Muslims who are not aware or weak in their faith in your judgement.

My dear brother in Islam, I have been posting for the past few days. And have been attempting to show fellow Pakistanis the full picture. The moment India took this step, it had Israel written all over it. I have been trying to tell my fellow countrymen/brothers that India's move on Kashmir "IS A DEATH TRAP!!!" This is not a matter of some skirmish anymore. Or lobbing a few hundred artillery shells across the LOC. This is a trap, designed to lure Pakistan into an open conflict. The move India has made, makes it an irresistible, one which Pakistan would find very difficult to pass.

I even offered solutions, shown the light on why this tact by India, is also to grind the progress Pakistan is making. Yes, you heard that correct, we are making progress on all fronts. Be it economically, or be it militarily, or be it purging our political system of corruption. The more progress we make, the more the chances are that Pakistanis will move toward cohesion, unity, becoming organized and focused on making Pakistan a strong and powerful nation guided by the Sunnah of Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam.

If we deviate from this trajectory, we would never be able to save ourselves, let alone Kashmir.

If Pakistanis knew what their destiny is, what Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah has in store for them. They would stop wasting their time in trivial, miniscule pursuits and become an unstoppable force which would make the enemies of Islam, tremble in fear. For those who make Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah their friend, who dare would attempt to mess with Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah? The Creator of all creation, the ONE, the ONLY ABSOLUTE POWER in the universe and beyond.

So I say to you and the rest of my fellow Pakistani brothers .... Do not allow your emotions to control you, emotions are ONLY meant for our Creator, Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah. Use the most powerful tool Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah has blessed us all with, in light of the Hikmah of the Holy Quran and the Sunnah of our beloved Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam. The stronger effort you make to reinforce your Imaan, the more Hikmah you will receive ftom Allah ... and my dear friend n brother, Allah is the best of planners.

The world shall fear the "Firaasah" of a Mu'min. For a Mu'min embraces Maalik-ul-Maut with the insatiable desire to have the deedar of his/her Creator. The Mu'min has the ability granted by Allah to tear apart the deception that satan weaves over mankind. So listen to the voice of your soul, it will tell you that Pakistanis need to conjure up the courage to strengthen their Imaan. Without Imaan, no victory can be attained.

Today you have a stong military and you have managed to become the only Islamic Nuclear Power. Imagine when 200 million Pakistanis have strong Imaan, the world would fear and respect Pakistan. Without Islam, Pakistan is next to NOTHING. Remember that!!!

 

[Kharral]

If another army is able to conquer your country, rule it for 20 years and then it is a defeat, no matter how you see it.
British conquered India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, ruled it for 200 year and then had to leave. Would you claim, that India /Pakistan/Bangladesh defeated British in war?

China captured a portion of Indian land in AP, had it in their possession for 20 day, then had to leave it. Does that mean India defeated China in 1962 ?

If China was forced to vacate that piece of land under the threat of continuous Indian resistance or further escalation of hostilities by India then it was a Chinese defeat.

Was Vietnam defeated ?
or
Did the Soviet Union win in Afghanistan ?

Point is what is the objective that an aggressor sets out to achieve when it goes to war.