Yongxing Island: China’s Diego Garcia in the South China Sea?

[NALANDA]

How the hell can China claim waters that run up right beside the Philippine coast?

Is this map for real?

A look at the map, countries around and any ediot will come to understand AND laugh at Chinese claim...

China and Chinese are the real threat to peace and stability of the world. This harsh truth will sooner dawn upon the world. Infact, if you look at the Chinese evolution, they have been very tricky and wicked. First they will claim Bhai Bhai ( brotherhood) and once they win the trust , they will back stab.....

One needs to be careful while dealing with China / Chinese is something everyone knows by now. Chinese only understand language of force and power and so all the countries around need to co-operate.

 

[EastSea]

Well, it is true that in 1904 Qing government wasn't in pocession of those islands since they are administrated by someone else, and guess what it was not Vietnam. That is right because Vietname was not even an independent country at that time.

What do you think ?

Under the orders of Napoleon III of France, French gunships attacked the port of Đà Nẵng in 1858. From 1859 to 1867, French troops expanded their control over all six provinces on the Mekong delta and formed a colony known as Cochinchina. A few years later, French troops landed in northern Vietnam (which they called Tonkin) and captured Hà Nội twice in 1873 and 1882. France assumed control over the whole of Vietnam after the Tonkin Campaign (1883–1886).
French Indochina was formed in October 1887 from Annam (Trung Kỳ, central Vietnam), Tonkin (Bắc Kỳ, northern Vietnam), Cochinchina (Nam Kỳ, southern Vietnam, and Cambodia, with Laos added in 1893). Within French Indochina, Cochinchina had the status of a colony, Annam was nominally a protectorate where the Nguyễn Dynasty still ruled,.

In colony time Islands of Vietnam Hoang Sa and Truong Sa was directly controlled by Nguyen Dynasty Emperor.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

So you're saying Vietnam can and allows to deliberately draw the islands close to her shore but China has to put her possessions within a set space of a map even if the space is not large enough for a larger scaled map because the islands were far and apart. Even a scaled insert would take up a large space. The map certainly was drawn by some foreigners and approved by some northern mandarins that had no knowledge of the south. There are all kind of possibilities and if one use that as proof of non sovereignty is a little absurd.

But anyway the insert on the Vietnam map looks copy-paste to me because I can clear see those parallel line directly under the insert. If you look at the Chinese map the insert for her NW territories is clear and distinct.

You should not blame for insufficient size's paper or lack of understanding of Chinese dynasties at the time, simply they did not draw Paracels and Spratlys on the map of China 1904 that is because the two archipelagos did not belong to China, they belong to Vietnam.

"Đại Nam Nhất Thống Toàn Đồ 1834" [大南一統全圖] (Map of Vietnam 1834) is an old paper map, which is holding by Vietnam's government. The images here are just the photos of its. I dont understand what the hell you said "copy-paste"?

Well, it is true that in 1904 Qing government wasn't in pocession of those islands since they are administrated by someone else, and guess what it was not Vietnam. That is right because Vietname was not even an independent country at that time.

Whether Vietnam was an independent nation or was dominated by France, two archipelagoes of Pacaels and Spratlys have always been controlled by the Vietnamese feudal state and later the French that based on the inheritance of colonial Vietnam.

Remember that before entire Vietnam fell to the French hands, Vietnamese feudal state had controlled the islands for hundreds of years earlier.

When France took over the two archipelagoes as parts of colonial Vietnam, French built the meteorological observation stations, the observatory stations on Phú Lâm (Woody) Island of the Paracel Islands and Ba Bình (Itu Aba) Island of the Spratly Islands, where today are occupied illegally by China and Taiwan.

 

[LvpAK]

you'd better learn chinese before you take the maps as envidence,

 

[Twain]

This is not the only outrageous claim by china

Major General Jin Yinan, head of the strategy research institute at China’s National Defense University…told state radio that limiting discussion to the Diaoyu was “too narrow”, saying Beijing should question ownership of the whole Ryukyu archipelago – which by some definitions extends beyond Okinawa.

Tang Chunfeng, a former official at the Chinese embassy in Tokyo, is one of those campaigning for China to rethink its acceptance of Japanese rule over Okinawa, saying past restraint has “done a lot of harm”.

“When I was in Japan, I didn’t even know that the Ryukyus were once ours,” says Mr Tang, now a Japan specialist at a commerce ministry think-tank.

It was not hard prior to this to find similar claims making the rounds, but what is new about recent expressions is that similar sentiment was echoed in the Global Times which operates under the auspices of the People’s Daily. The editorial argued that “China should not be afraid of engaging with Japan in a mutual undermining of territorial integrity.” Given that the Chinese government has not openly nixed the very controversial idea/strategy, and may have even ‘suggested’ that the paper to print this, is it not reasonable to assume China may be eyeing Okinawa long-term?

http://jsw.newpacificinstitute.org/?p=10398

 

[SinoChallenger]

This is not the only outrageous claim by china

Major General Jin Yinan, head of the strategy research institute at China’s National Defense University…told state radio that limiting discussion to the Diaoyu was “too narrow”, saying Beijing should question ownership of the whole Ryukyu archipelago – which by some definitions extends beyond Okinawa.

Tang Chunfeng, a former official at the Chinese embassy in Tokyo, is one of those campaigning for China to rethink its acceptance of Japanese rule over Okinawa, saying past restraint has “done a lot of harm”.

“When I was in Japan, I didn’t even know that the Ryukyus were once ours,” says Mr Tang, now a Japan specialist at a commerce ministry think-tank.

It was not hard prior to this to find similar claims making the rounds, but what is new about recent expressions is that similar sentiment was echoed in the Global Times which operates under the auspices of the People’s Daily. The editorial argued that “China should not be afraid of engaging with Japan in a mutual undermining of territorial integrity.” Given that the Chinese government has not openly nixed the very controversial idea/strategy, and may have even ‘suggested’ that the paper to print this, is it not reasonable to assume China may be eyeing Okinawa long-term?

http://jsw.newpacificinstitute.org/?p=10398

Of course Ryukyu Islands belong to China. This is part of our spoils of war from defeating Japan in WW2. We could not take it over previously because we lacked sea power, but now we are ready to claim it back.

 

[ajtr]

Of course Ryukyu Islands belong to China. This is part of our spoils of war from defeating Japan in WW2. We could not take it over previously because we lacked sea power, but now we are ready to claim it back.

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