Yom Kippur War 1973: The Egyptian Revenge

[500]

So, where should people get the true story? Both sides exagerate, and even Syria annually celebrates 1973 "victory" although it was a very clear defeat to Syrian Army. I believe that neither Egypt nor Israel were defeated in that war in fighting terms but wars get measured by achieving its goals and Egypt got what they want while Israel got nothing but lost Sinai.

Egypt got Sinai because it signed peace with Israel.
Syria did not get Golan because it did not sign peace with Israel.

Very simple.

Usually, "modern" Western/Zionist official casualty figures need to be multiplied by 10 to 12 times, to arrive at a safe estimate of the actual number of casualties.

I can name u every single Israeli soldier died in war. One by one.

2,222 Israeli soldiers died (including crashes, friendly fire, died from injuries etc) from 6 oct to 24 oct 1973. Another 305 soldiers died from 24 Oct 1973 to 12th February 1974.
Arab loses no one knows exactly, but somewhere over 10,000.

POWs:
293 Israelis.
8,372 Egyptians, 392 Syrians, 13 Iraqis and 6 Moroccans.

Captured territory:
Israel from Egypt - 1600 km2
Israel from Syria - 500 km2
Egypt - 1200 km2 (nearly half of it in encyrcled 3rd army)
Syria - 0 km2

Destroyed tanks:
460 Israeli
2,250 Arab

Ships:
0 Israeli
19 Arab, including 10 missile.

Jets:
102 Israeli
370 Arab

Helicopters:
5 Israeli
55 Arab

SAM batteries:
1 Israeli
47 Arab

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Seems you really believe in fairy tales you invent. Here what Shazly really wrote:

25 Oct 1100 hours: A meeting of the Armed Forces Supreme Council, the first since the outbreak of war. ...The main topic was, of course, how to open the road to Third Army. But though everyone spoke with passion, nobody could come up with a realistic plan.

...the plight of Third Army was desperate... It was a catastrophe
Super great victory, indeed.

i have said it ten times we can take losses but you cant it is true the 3 rd army was sourrounded but they could attack with all they have in one front and break the siege or at least finish half of the army sourronding them and belive me you dont want a long war with us you will loss in the end

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Egypt could not do anything against 3 armor divisions.

we have destroyed a much larger army what is so speachial about 3 armored divisions ? and isnt that what you said about bar liev line and we need the engineers of usa and ussr to cross the line and we brought down with water

Thats true, but virtually all of them were shot down by SAMs.

Egypt lost 235 jets and Syria - 135, virtually all of them in air combat.

so the jets shot by sam dont count ?

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Egypt got Sinai because it signed peace with Israel.
Syria did not get Golan because it did not sign peace with Israel.

Very simple.

I can name u every single Israeli soldier died in war. One by one.

2,222 Israeli soldiers died (including crashes, friendly fire, died from injuries etc) from 6 oct to 24 oct 1973. Another 305 soldiers died from 24 Oct 1973 to 12th February 1974.
Arab loses no one knows exactly, but somewhere over 10,000.

POWs:
293 Israelis.
8,372 Egyptians, 392 Syrians, 13 Iraqis and 6 Moroccans.

Captured territory:
Israel from Egypt - 1600 km2
Israel from Syria - 500 km2
Egypt - 1200 km2 (nearly half of it in encyrcled 3rd army)
Syria - 0 km2

Destroyed tanks:
460 Israeli
2,250 Arab

Ships:
0 Israeli
19 Arab, including 10 missile.

Jets:
102 Israeli
370 Arab

Helicopters:
5 Israeli
55 Arab

SAM batteries:
1 Israeli
47 Arab

Plz put sources. I hope our Egyptian brothers clarify things up. I have read about the war, but they know better than me.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Seems you really believe in fairy tales you invent. Here what Shazly really wrote:


Super great victory, indeed.

From Saad El Shazly's WEBSITE:

Saad El-Shazly

"It was a victory, the most outstanding feat of Arab armies in modern times."
The Economist


This brilliant military victory, was turned into a political defeat, when Egypt was removed from the camp of resistance, to Israeli occupation of Arab lands to the camp of appeasement.

This brilliant military victory

Repeat:
This brilliant military victory

Repeat:
This brilliant military victory


Says who?

Visit Saad El Din Shazly's website
Saad El-Shazly

You are so deluded by Zionist propaganda machinery you can not accept that you were terribly defeated. Here is what American military academies learn from Egyptians (and they considered this material "classified" I guess for a long time until it was declassified because the shame of Zionist defeat was so long ago they thought there would be very few people left to unveil Zionist propaganda)

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA391166&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf

Go straight to the October War section of this PDF file

Even your "allies" Americans study how Egyptians defeated Zionists but they are too afraid to admit it as a defeat so they study Egyptian tactics in their military academies, but qualify all historical truths with the "disclaimer" that Americans do not necessarily agree with them (but they needed to hide this information from the public for so long for what reason exactly then?)

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Egypt got Sinai because it signed peace with Israel.
Syria did not get Golan because it did not sign peace with Israel.

Very simple.

Jordan signed peace deal with "Israel" but did not get Al Quds/Jerusalem back. Egyptians kicked out Zionists. Not one inch could be taken from land captured by 2nd and 3rd armies in Sinai.

I can name u every single Israeli soldier died in war. One by one.

What about those deaths you will be hiding?

2,222 Israeli soldiers died (including crashes, friendly fire, died from injuries etc) from 6 oct to 24 oct 1973. Another 305 soldiers died from 24 Oct 1973 to 12th February 1974.
Arab loses no one knows exactly, but somewhere over 10,000.

POWs:
293 Israelis.
8,372 Egyptians, 392 Syrians, 13 Iraqis and 6 Moroccans.

Captured territory:
Israel from Egypt - 1600 km2
Israel from Syria - 500 km2
Egypt - 1200 km2 (nearly half of it in encyrcled 3rd army)
Syria - 0 km2

Destroyed tanks:
460 Israeli
2,250 Arab

Ships:
0 Israeli
19 Arab, including 10 missile.

Jets:
102 Israeli
370 Arab

Helicopters:
5 Israeli
55 Arab

SAM batteries:
1 Israeli
47 Arab

You have any shame left? How can you (Zionists) LIE so blatantly? Only 460 "Israeli" tanks destroyed in 1973? 460 "Israeli" tanks were destroyed by Egypt in less than one week. Yes, in less than one week. Read Kissinger the Jews comments. Even he could not understand how the Americans can help "Israel" because it kept losing.

The October War and U.S. Policy

Document 21B: Memcon between Dinitz and Kissinger, 9 October 1973, 6:10-6:35 p.m.
Source: RG 59, SN 70-73, Pol Isr-US
Early in the morning of 9 October, Kissinger received a call from Dinitz that Israeli forces were in a more "difficult" position. A counter-offensive launched the previous day had failed with major losses. At 8:20, the two met for a more detailed conversation, with a chagrined Dinitz acknowledging that the Israelis had lost over 400 tanks to the Egyptians and 100 to the Syrians. Egyptian armor and surface-to-air missiles were taking their toll in the air and ground battle and the Israeli cabinet had decided that it had to "get all equipment and planes by air that we can." Kissinger, who had assumed that Tel Aviv could recapture territory without major infusions of aid, was perplexed by the bad news--"Explain to me, how could 400 tanks be lost to the Egyptians?"--and the diplomatic implications of substantial U.S. wartime military aid was troublesome. As indicated on the record of the 8:20 a.m. meeting, Dinitz and Kissinger met privately, without a notetaker, to discuss Golda Meir's request for a secret meeting with Nixon to plea for military aid, a proposal that Kissinger quickly dismissed because it would strengthen Moscow's influence in the Arab world. To underline the urgency of the situation, Dinitz may have introduced an element of nuclear blackmail into the private discussion. While Golda Meir had rejected military advice for nuclear weapons use, she had ordered the arming and alerting of Jericho missiles--their principal nuclear delivery system--at least to influence Washington

On 9th of October 1973, Dinitz admitted to Kissinger that you lost more than 400 tanks to Egyptians and more than 100 tanks to Syrians. On 9th of October!

In the entire war, you probably lost 1500 tanks or more.

 

[500]

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The difference between me and you is that I talk about facts, you only say its suped duper victory because its super duper victory

Here facts, from Egyptian commander:

Sadat, who had rejected the advice of the Soviet Union on October 12 to seek a ceasefire, and who continued to reject that advice until, too late, he accepted it on October 19, now found himself begging for Soviet help.

25 Oct 1100 hours: A meeting of the Armed Forces Supreme Council, the first since the outbreak of war. ...The main topic was, of course, how to open the road to Third Army. But though everyone spoke with passion, nobody could come up with a realistic plan.

...the plight of Third Army was desperate... It was a catastrophe

These are facts:

1) Saddat begs superpowers for help.
2) 3rd army encircled in desperate condition.
3) Egypt cant do anything to resque them.

You call it a great victory? Welcome. Wish you more victories like that.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

It was easy to prove your Zionist "government" propaganda false regarding your destroyed tanks. Then there is no need to disprove any of your other bogus numbers unless you want to see Moshe Dayan's frightened look or Sharon's video admitting that more than 300 of his soldiers were killed and more than 1000 wounded on ONE night by Egyptians alone.

Just one night, Egyptians killed more than 300 of Sharon's soldiers (not including other brigades and divisions etc), so you still want to spread this Zionist propaganda about your casualties?

 

[user1]

In the end, the Winner (Israel) handed over Sinai back to Egypt. The patron of Israel, United States started giving huge amounts of economic and military assistance to the losing nation Egypt and to save the Egyptians from Israel's wrath in the future, US provided largest share personnel in Multinational Force and Observers (MFO).

 

[Banglar Lathial]

All your propaganda has been "busted", Zionist. Show us some facts. Some videos of Sharon encircling 3rd Army or whatever you have. This was Sharon during the war. You call it victory?

 

[user1]

In the end, the Winner (Israel) handed over Sinai back to Egypt. The patron of Israel, United States started giving huge amounts of economic and military assistance to the losing nation Egypt and to save the Egyptians from Israel's wrath in the future, US provided largest share personnel in Multinational Force and Observers (MFO).

For the first time in history, the losing side is extracting the ransom

 

[500]

we have destroyed a much larger army what is so speachial about 3 armored divisions ?

You never destroyed. All your attacks against Iraeli armor miserably failed. 3rd army conducted 2

so the jets shot by sam dont count ?

I did count everything.

JOn 9th of October 1973, Dinitz admitted to Kissinger that you lost more than 400 tanks to Egyptians and more than 100 tanks to Syrians. On 9th of October!

Israel restored most of the tanks. Most during the war itself.

And Israel suffered biggest loses in two periods:

1) 6-8 Oct. Repelling massive Syrian attack and Israeli counter attacks on Egyptians (7th, 188th brigades, Magen and Adan divisions suffered very heavy casualties).
2) 16 Oct. Chinese farm battles (Sharon division suffered very heavy casualties).

 

[agentny17]

Banglar Lathial, bro. give it a rest, this guy prob. gets paid to defend Israel on the Internet. No need to waste your time with him. We know as an Ummah what we achieved, and what we failed to achieve. Hope we can learn from our mistakes, and celebrate our success. We don't need to worry about his kind. I am sure in his mind he considers all Muslims to be terrorists. It is prob. something he shares with his whole nation, we should not worry about them or what they think.

 

[500]

In the end, the Winner (Israel) handed over Sinai back to Egypt. The patron of Israel, United States started giving huge amounts of economic and military assistance to the losing nation Egypt and to save the Egyptians from Israel's wrath in the future, US provided largest share personnel in Multinational Force and Observers (MFO).

Israel handed Sinai in 1982. 9 years after the war.

In 1956 Israel handed Sinai in same year. According to this logic 1956 war was much bigger victory

It was easy to prove your Zionist "government" propaganda false regarding your destroyed tanks. Then there is no need to disprove any of your other bogus numbers unless you want to see Moshe Dayan's frightened look or Sharon's video admitting that more than 300 of his soldiers were killed and more than 1000 wounded on ONE night by Egyptians alone.

Just one night, Egyptians killed more than 300 of Sharon's soldiers (not including other brigades and divisions etc), so you still want to spread this Zionist propaganda about your casualties?

As I said, there were two periods in war whn Israel suffered the heaviest casualties:

1) 6-8 Oct.
2) 16 Oct.

Sharon division indeed suffered very heavy casualties on 16th Oct. But battle of Chinese farm was won. Egyptian casualties were much bigger.

All your propaganda has been "busted", Zionist. Show us some facts. Some videos of Sharon encircling 3rd Army or whatever you have.

1) Egyptian chief commander openly admits that 3rd army was encircled, desperate and he was unable to resque it.
2) All historians say that. Here US military academy map:

3) Here pics of surrounded 3rd army soldiers recieving water under Israeli supervision:

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Jordan signed peace deal with "Israel" but did not get Al Quds/Jerusalem back. Egyptians kicked out Zionists. Not one inch could be taken from land captured by 2nd and 3rd armies in Sinai.



What about those deaths you will be hiding?



You have any shame left? How can you (Zionists) LIE so blatantly? Only 460 "Israeli" tanks destroyed in 1973? 460 "Israeli" tanks were destroyed by Egypt in less than one week. Yes, in less than one week. Read Kissinger the Jews comments. Even he could not understand how the Americans can help "Israel" because it kept losing.

The October War and U.S. Policy


On 9th of October 1973, Dinitz admitted to Kissinger that you lost more than 400 tanks to Egyptians and more than 100 tanks to Syrians. On 9th of October!

In the entire war, you probably lost 1500 tanks or more.

My bro, I can't find a single logical reason of involving Jordan like this. Egypt couldn't even getting back Gaza while Jordan kept West bank from 1948-1967 alone. Palestinians themselves requested to put an end to Jordanian control of West Bank in 1981 (I guess) in Arab league.Not a single inch of original Jordanian territery was ever captured by Israel which brings out the defeat of Israel military in Alkarama battle in 1968.

@500
Do you consider Alkarama battle a defeat or victory or what? plz be logical.