Yep, the world has a new role model for political and economic development

[Rusty]

yep, way to go indian

Check my comment history.
I am pro China because of Pakistan
But I can never get on board with Communism.

I have friends in China right now, who I can't talk to on Facebook, or Skype because of the Great Firewall.

History has shown that, in the long run, any attempt to shield your people from information is bound to fail.

 

[武成王]

It's not a brand new model, in a long time, the western 'democracy and free market' model has been 'established', 'recommended' and 'proved' to be an effective political and economic model.
First all, the wealth of western world is not because its 'democracy, free market', it was never a democratic, free market one BEFORE western nations dominated the world politics and economy, it was technology and war, in short, a combination of technology driven and colony. The democracy and free market was established AFTER the western nations established their advantage over the rest of 'barbaric world', it's a very recent phenomenon in fact. The 'miracle' of China economy is a show case that you don't need completely follow such a western model to make great achievement especially in economy development, whether it's a new model, Chinese don't care, we're only interested in result, whether it's social, communism, capitalism, etc is not important at all, but some ideology is reserved, e.g. the limitation of private capital's influence on domestic politics, fairness, we're interested in values not definition or name, the people also don't care how the world define it as long as the current system proves to be COMPETITIVE.

Whether it's democracy or socialism, communism, or even a system like KSA, it's not important at all, the core issue here is whatever system it must prove it can be competitive to survive in the global competition of economic game. The Chinese model apparently only fit into our own situation, the current system is still in evolution to resolve various old and new problems. It just provides a sample that the developing nation can construct their own path to prosperity and development based on their own situation.

The meaning of Chinese model is to crush the myth of the western system is universal to all, it's not, as simple as that.

 

[Nan Yang]

And China is run by the people...Yeah...Right...

Yes . 87 .7 million people.
Western electoral democracy is infested with money politics, campaign funds, interest groups, lobbyists and stuck in its two ideology parties throwing shit at each other in front of the world stage. It is the laughing stock of the world and most Americans also believe that. Except for one or two model immigrant.

 

[TaiShang]

This ethno-centrism (of course, mostly voiced by Indians here, but, they are talking from a vantage point of Western ethno-centrism) and meta-narrative is as rusty as some members' name suggests.

The entire discourse is being discarded as we speak.

Western electoral democracy has reached it's level of incompetence.

It had always had this contradiction, in my opinion, but, until very recently, they had wealth, hence, internal contradictions did not become visible.

The Western model is inherently fascist. Once the resources are less than to satisfy the need of the ruling elite and the middle class is gone, it will devolve into fascism.

Colonialism and imperialism have until recently enabled the Western supremacy. But, now the playing field is being leveled, and we are seeing how the West has begun to curse the same gods of liberalism that they used to worship.

For a noname guy to be president is not meritocracy, but opportunist.

Well said. This is the danger of Western model to (especially) developing nations. A hypocrite demagogue with sweet talking and enough money/media power can grab the highest office of a nation. The result would be catastrophic for a developing nation; it is even shaking the US system to the core because the US has lost most of its imperial advantages of blood and plunder. It can still shed blood but cannot easily plunder, as we are seeing now in the Middle East.

The corruption of such opportunism lies in the fact that the public is badly misinformed and is often over-informed --to such a degree that they cannot make healthy choices.

I have friends in China right now, who I can't talk to on Facebook, or Skype because of the Great Firewall.

That's good. Switch to Weibo-Weixin so your money goes to Chinese company, not to a US company.

History has shown that, in the long run, any attempt to shield your people from information is bound to fail.

Like you Indians, right? Having all the "freedom" but still badly informed about your own pollution. History has not shown such a thing. History has actually shown that China is one of the leading scientific powers with total production is second to the US.

China's level of indigenization of critical technologies has never been achieved by any country, even Japan. For example, Japan does not have a indigenous internet ecosystem, China does. Thanks to Great Wall that filters out the hubris and lets the constructive scientific information come in.

It is actually not really to keep us uninformed, but to keep people like you from having access to China.

The meaning of Chinese model is to crush the myth of the western system is universal to all, it's not, as simple as that.

That's the value of model building. We know that China won't be exporting or imposing its own model on anybody. But, China is helping change the mindset, from the Middle East to Latin America -- that the West does not represent an absolute truth. Neoliberal fascism is not the end of history. We have alternatives. We are evolutionary species. History will never get frozen. The West may be falling into rigidity, but many other nations are just beginning to achieve vitality and momentum.

This is not the end of the West. It is the end of the Western narrative.

 

[Cybernetics]

I don't think China's is a model for any country in this world, its context is very different from others and there won't be another China. I think the point of China's rise is to show the world that every country can find a development path that is evolved from its own cultural heritage and not have to destroy its own heritage in pursuit of development. China didn't develop in a smooth way, itself has gone through an unhealthy phase of throwing away essential parts of Chinese governance/culture and now has brought itself back onto a healthier path. China is still in the process of developing its own model through solving and adapting to issues that comes with modernisation/technological advancement in a globalised world.

China is more of a demonstration for developing and underdeveloped nations around the world, not developed nations in the West and Japan as they already have found a relatively successful model for industrialisation in the context of their culture and geography. The struggle of modernisation for developing nations is to adapt its more ancient culture to succeed in an industrialised and post industrial world, and not adopt Western culture wholesale. Modernisation doesn't equal Westernisation, although there will be a convergence to some degree not a singularity. There won't be "end of history" because history never ends in our world. The one way history/social development ends is if technology stops advancing much like the experiences of native tribes of North American plains, Amazons, and Australia but that is not the future I see for the cultures rooted from the Eurasian "world island".

Not saying this because I believe we should adhere onto our roots out of pride but I believe that every ancient culture became the way they are for a reason, out of the grinding stone of history. Western culture is fine for the west since it evolved out of the context and experiences of the West. Take that culture out of its context and it could make little sense in another environment. Even Americans who are culturally rooted from Europe have a slightly different culture due to the frontier experience. Chinese culture evolved in the context of China with forces the west doesn't experience or to the same degree.

National Structure
I do see somethings that kept China developing the way it did:

• Centrality of governance/civilisation
• Clear national focus with precise goals/milestones (What do we want and how do we accomplish it? Are there countries we can learn form? Ex. In terms of industrialisation/technology learn from Germany and US, eventually aim to surpass. It is measurable and concrete.)
• Coordination of national resources with accurate information gathering (public, private and now includes NGO's and using big data and surveys)
• Conducting experimentation of a variety of methods (ex. village elections, SEZ, FTZ, megaregions)

Corruption
China has widespread corruption at all levels of government (tigers and flies) but even corrupt officials need to have development to show for. Goals are clear and laid out, if they don't complete the tasks they get booted by another department. Ambitious/capable ones want to get promoted so they carry out the tasks. Corruption takes place in the context of development, they take a cut of each project, they do not just engage in rent seeking. However there are many instances of rent seeking corruption such as selling positions which is a corrosive force to meritocracy.

Why is Xi so keen on anti-corruption when it doesn't seem to hinder China's growth as much?
Most if not all corrupt officials who are deep into corruption thinks there is no future for them in China since Chinese laws are harsh and politics is volatile so they keep majority of their assets overseas or in the process of going overseas. Many corporations who engage in corrupt activities facilitate this process of moving assets overseas. This is not a big problem in the short run but once a catalyst triggers flight, huge amounts of capital and corrupt officials will flee from China. Its not the corrupt official's money they are taking with them but hundreds of millions of working class Chinese's savings stored in banks. China is not against normal outflow of capital but its against hollowing out of China's financial system. These corrupt officials convert public money and private money from working class Chinese's savings to their private kingdom, keep them overseas through acquiring rent seeking assets like real estate or offshore safe havens, essentially making it dead money. Money Chinese people worked hard on earning that will not contribute to China's or anybody's development.

Another reason for the anti-corruption campaign is to restore meritocracy to Chinese governance which was damaged by position selling. There exists quite a substantial intellectual elite in the Chinese government which was not damaged by corruption as much but they are usually not in leading positions of corrupt interest groups. The key is to allow better qualified people to replace the corrupt officials in their positions, which Xi is doing. In order to accomplish this Xi Jinping and his faction must utilise heavy handed tactics and consolidate power to avoid exacerbation of infighting in this delicate time and build a more sustainable structure to replace the old order (currently underway).

Democracy in China?
Democracy can be expressed through many ways, democracy doesn't have to equal one person one vote for a leader every 4-5 years for each level of government. In Chinese, democracy is 民主, 民meaning the people, 主is the decision maker, which is the same breakdown of democracy in classical Greek.

I remember listening to a western expert asking his Chinese friends if they wanted democracy (western interpretation) in China. They replied "no" and was surprised by the reasoning. They said they don't want to give the rural and uneducated/backward masses the right to overrule their rights and interests (brings memories of the cultural revolution). They think it would be very damaging to China and the world if an anti-progressive mass was in charge of Chinese development and foreign policy.

Informational asymmetry
A major drawback of a purely elected leadership is the inability of the public to fully understand the skills, accomplishments, and experience of a government official/body or what skills and experiences it takes to accomplish national goals, some may understand but vast majority will not. It can be due to lack of time, lack of interest, lack of education, lack of access to information, etc. This problem is exacerbated in a large country like China, informational overload leads to adverse selection. This is apparent in China's experiment with voting in villages across China.

Restructuring Chinese Governance
If democracy cannot be expressed with cyclical voting in of leadership what are the options for China?
A new governance theory proposed by some Chinese professors being tested is meritocratic system utilising constant data sampling and veto power of the people.

Meritocratic system vs voting in of leadership
Pros: Usually produces and promotes better qualified, more experienced/skilled leaders who understand how the country works.
Cons: Opaque, can lead to corrupt activities with little oversight, possibly rigid leading to calcification

An improved system which tackles all the above problems would be to fuse a meritocratic system with the checks and balances of a voting/participation system. This is accomplished by promoting officials/leaders through a meritocratic system by people who understand the governing of the country and giving the masses the ability to remove (veto) officials in a cyclical term vote or in the case of corruption and illegal activities, instant report to an independent judiciary body (currently forming) which investigates everyone including the top leadership.

Utilising technology for constant data sampling
To engage people in the process of governance/democracy China initially rolled out a series surveys to collect accurate data of ground realities of things like satisfaction levels of public services: parks, water, air, garbage collection, medical care,etc and for more macro issues like trends of the country. Apps will be used in the future as smartphones becomes more widespread. Big data is a big direction in China after 19th congress and will be used extensively in surveying the population. Now China's top anti-corruption watchdog is testing a mobile corruption reporting service. This is in attempt to reduce the problem of bad information with a vertical governing structure and a more constant sampling of the population sentiment compared to a 4-5 year vote in a liberal democracy.

http://www.ibtimes.com/china-unveil...lic-upload-pictures-corrupt-officials-1972563
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2015-06/22/content_21069743.htm

 

[Rusty]

This ethno-centrism (of course, mostly voiced by Indians here, but, they are talking from a vantage point of Western ethno-centrism) and meta-narrative is as rusty as some members' name suggests.

The entire discourse is being discarded as we speak.



It had always had this contradiction, in my opinion, but, until very recently, they had wealth, hence, internal contradictions did not become visible.

The Western model is inherently fascist. Once the resources are less than to satisfy the need of the ruling elite and the middle class is gone, it will devolve into fascism.

Colonialism and imperialism have until recently enabled the Western supremacy. But, now the playing field is being leveled, and we are seeing how the West has begun to curse the same gods of liberalism that they used to worship.



Well said. This is the danger of Western model to (especially) developing nations. A hypocrite demagogue with sweet talking and enough money/media power can grab the highest office of a nation. The result would be catastrophic for a developing nation; it is even shaking the US system to the core because the US has lost most of its imperial advantages of blood and plunder. It can still shed blood but cannot easily plunder, as we are seeing now in the Middle East.

The corruption of such opportunism lies in the fact that the public is badly misinformed and is often over-informed --to such a degree that they cannot make healthy choices.



That's good. Switch to Weibo-Weixin so your money goes to Chinese company, not to a US company.



Like you Indians, right? Having all the "freedom" but still badly informed about your own pollution. History has not shown such a thing. History has actually shown that China is one of the leading scientific powers with total production is second to the US.

China's level of indigenization of critical technologies has never been achieved by any country, even Japan. For example, Japan does not have a indigenous internet ecosystem, China does. Thanks to Great Wall that filters out the hubris and lets the constructive scientific information come in.

It is actually not really to keep us uninformed, but to keep people like you from having access to China.



That's the value of model building. We know that China won't be exporting or imposing its own model on anybody. But, China is helping change the mindset, from the Middle East to Latin America -- that the West does not represent an absolute truth. Neoliberal fascism is not the end of history. We have alternatives. We are evolutionary species. History will never get frozen. The West may be falling into rigidity, but many other nations are just beginning to achieve vitality and momentum.

This is not the end of the West. It is the end of the Western narrative.

Again, I don't know if you can read, but check my post history, I am Pakistani not Indian.

Unfortunately, another communist trait is that they cannot handle people who disagree with them. Even if they are sympathetic to their cause.

Once again, shielding people from information has never, and will never work.
Eventually the Genie will be out.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

CHINA is still in.development there is no space to make conclusion yet if.CHINA would win finnally but Chineses are very confident that i.can assure you!

IT will take a long time but we will be there when nobody want to challenge Chinese territory defense!

 

[gambit]

Give me a break! Quit being a 14 yr old. Who the fvck is “the people”???

I thought that was the communist motto: 'Power To The People' ?

Yes . 87 .7 million people.
Western electoral democracy is infested with money politics, campaign funds, interest groups, lobbyists and stuck in its two ideology parties throwing shit at each other in front of the world stage. It is the laughing stock of the world and most Americans also believe that. Except for one or two model immigrant.

Look at the corruption in China before you start spouting off on how terrible is the Western democracy model.

Am a military guy. Explain to me how is it that the Chinese military leadership can flout traffic laws.

 

[AndrewJin]

Refugees' home county like viet land is the model for america, period.

 

[TaiShang]

Mass shootings worsen US human rights
Source:Global Times Published: 2017/11/6

Just days after the truck terror attack in Manhattan, a church in a small South Texas community has become a killing field - although the mass shooting in Texas appears to be unconnected to terrorism. A 26-year-old white man opened fire in the church on Monday, killing at least 26 people and wounding about 20 others. This immediately reminds people of the mass shooting at a music festival on the Las Vegas Strip on October 1, which left 59 dead and more than 500 injured.

The whole world is astounded at the frequency of mass shootings in the US and its government's inaction to address them. Some "sick and deranged" people compete with each other for the sensationalism the attacks bring.

The US public's equanimity in the face of these deadly attacks is surprising. The governments of other countries would have been strongly denounced if such severe attacks against society happened so often. Except for media reports and verbal responses from officials and lawmakers, the US is slow in taking any targeted action against mass shootings.

Although US media outlets publish instant reports and pictures, they fail to lead US society to focus on the shootings, instead putting more attention on Russiagate. The difficulties of gun control in the US are universally known. While US politicians and the media have cold feet on the issue, ordinary citizens are left with no other option but to accept the status quo.

The US public can only place their hope on sheer luck to avoid being attacked in a mass shooting. The majority's acquiescence to the government's failure to act has spawned a spreading outbreak of this violence. US society always pays condolences to the innocent victims, but never feels guilty that it makes no efforts to prevent these tragedies from happening.

The US is rigid on gun control. How many people will have to die before US society is prompted to reform the current system? US politicians are slick players and are unwilling to launch a political duel against those who oppose gun control under uncertain circumstances.

The US system determines that politicians will only take politically correct actions to attract votes. The US is lucky that it started early in modern governance and accumulated some advantages, otherwise, the country, with the current mechanisms, would probably lose out to India. Yet US institutional governance has remained resistant to any change.

If the mass shootings in the US cannot be addressed in the long term, and the government takes no effective action, the UN Human Rights Council needs to denounce Washington's inaction at some point, exerting external pressure on the country.

Washington must acknowledge that mass shootings are a serious human rights issue that has directly threatened the life of Americans. We hope that US media and elites refresh their understanding of human rights.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1073849.shtml

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Mass shootings worsen US human rights
Source:Global Times Published: 2017/11/6

Just days after the truck terror attack in Manhattan, a church in a small South Texas community has become a killing field - although the mass shooting in Texas appears to be unconnected to terrorism. A 26-year-old white man opened fire in the church on Monday, killing at least 26 people and wounding about 20 others. This immediately reminds people of the mass shooting at a music festival on the Las Vegas Strip on October 1, which left 59 dead and more than 500 injured.

The whole world is astounded at the frequency of mass shootings in the US and its government's inaction to address them. Some "sick and deranged" people compete with each other for the sensationalism the attacks bring.

The US public's equanimity in the face of these deadly attacks is surprising. The governments of other countries would have been strongly denounced if such severe attacks against society happened so often. Except for media reports and verbal responses from officials and lawmakers, the US is slow in taking any targeted action against mass shootings.

Although US media outlets publish instant reports and pictures, they fail to lead US society to focus on the shootings, instead putting more attention on Russiagate. The difficulties of gun control in the US are universally known. While US politicians and the media have cold feet on the issue, ordinary citizens are left with no other option but to accept the status quo.

The US public can only place their hope on sheer luck to avoid being attacked in a mass shooting. The majority's acquiescence to the government's failure to act has spawned a spreading outbreak of this violence. US society always pays condolences to the innocent victims, but never feels guilty that it makes no efforts to prevent these tragedies from happening.

The US is rigid on gun control. How many people will have to die before US society is prompted to reform the current system? US politicians are slick players and are unwilling to launch a political duel against those who oppose gun control under uncertain circumstances.

The US system determines that politicians will only take politically correct actions to attract votes. The US is lucky that it started early in modern governance and accumulated some advantages, otherwise, the country, with the current mechanisms, would probably lose out to India. Yet US institutional governance has remained resistant to any change.

If the mass shootings in the US cannot be addressed in the long term, and the government takes no effective action, the UN Human Rights Council needs to denounce Washington's inaction at some point, exerting external pressure on the country.

Washington must acknowledge that mass shootings are a serious human rights issue that has directly threatened the life of Americans. We hope that US media and elites refresh their understanding of human rights.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1073849.shtml

I think americans need people to die to let poeple understand they are alive and american are not safe and need more military budget! They usually say China is overtaking USA on this or on that,feel sorry for those dead people,but American Constitution made it very clear a society without guns is absolutely impossible job to do for yankees!!!!

 

[TaiShang]

I think americans need people to die to let poeple understand they are alive and american are not safe and need more military budget! They usually say China is overtaking USA on this or on that,feel sorry for those dead people,but American Constitution made it very clear a society without guns is absolutely impossible job to do for yankees!!!!

The article I have just shared also shows that we cannot even agree on how to define human rights.

If the US won't be listening to us as to how to manage their country, why would we ever give a hoot to their lecturing as to how we need to conduct our own governance?

If from their moral vantage point China appears to be hellish, the US, from our normative vantage point, looks even more hellish.

Same goes for Indians.

 

[Georg]

The article I have just shared also shows that we cannot even agree on how to define human rights.

there is nothing to debat about what human rights are....

Germany did the biggest war crime ever in human history.... the consequenz of this history guilt pushed the Germans to write a completely new German constitution after ww2.... with 2 goals protect the humans from the state and clearly claim what human rights are... to protect every human (not only German citizen) from executive, judicative and legeslative power.... they even ordered that the number one task of the executive judicative and legeslative power is to protect and serve the citizen.


Human Right
Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect
it shall be the duty of all state authority.
The people therefore acknowledge inviolable and
inalienable human rights as the basis of every community,
of peace and of justice in the world.
The following basic rights shall bind the legislature, the
executive and the judiciary as directly applicable law.

[Personal freedoms]
Every person shall have the right to free development of his
personality insofar as he does not violate the rights
of others or offend against the constitutional order or the
moral law.
Every person shall have the right to life and physical integ-
rity. Freedom of the person shall be inviolable. These rights
may be interfered with only pursuant to a law.

[Equality before the law]
All persons shall be equal before the law.
Men and women shall have equal rights. The state shall
promote the actual implementation of equal rights for
women and men and take steps to eliminate disadvantages
that now exist.
No person shall be favoured or disfavoured because of
sex, parentage, race, language, homeland and origin, faith,
or religious or political opinions. No person shall be
disfavoured because of disability.

[Freedom of faith and conscience]
Freedom of faith and of conscience, and freedom to profess
a religious or philosophical creed, shall be inviolable.
The undisturbed practice of religion shall be guaranteed.
No person shall be compelled against his conscience to
render military service involving the use of arms.

[School system]
The entire school system shall be under the supervision
of the state.
Parents and guardians shall have the right to decide
whether children shall receive religious instruction.
Religious instruction shall form part of the regular curricu-
lum in state schools, with the exception of non-denomina-
tional schools. Without prejudice to the state’s right of su-
pervision, religious instruction shall be given in accordance
with the tenets of the religious community concerned.
Teachers may not be obliged against their will to give
religious instruction.
The right to establish private schools shall be guaranteed.
Private schools that serve as alternatives to state schools
shall require the approval of the state and shall be subject
to the laws of the Länder. Such approval shall be given
when private schools are not inferior to the state schools in
terms of their educational aims, their facilities, or the pro-
fessional training of their teaching staff, and when segrega-
tion of pupils according to the means of their parents will
not be encouraged thereby. Approval shall be withheld if
the economic and legal position of the teaching staff is not
adequately assured.
A private elementary school shall be approved only if the
educational authority finds that it serves a special pedagogical
interest or if, on the application of parents or guardi-
ans, it is to be established as a denominational or interde-
nominational school or as a school based on a particular
philosophy and no state elementary school of that type
exists in the municipality.
Preparatory schools shall remain abolished.

[Freedom of assembly]
All Germans shall have the right to assemble peacefully
and unarmed without prior notification or permission.
In the case of outdoor assemblies, this right may be restrict-
ed by or pursuant to a law.

[Freedom of association]
All Germans shall have the right to form corporations and
other associations.
Associations whose aims or activities contravene the crimi-
nal laws, or that are directed against the constitutional or
der or the concept of international understanding, shall be
prohibited.
The right to form associations to safeguard and improve
working and economic conditions shall be guaranteed to
every individual and to every occupation or profession.
Agreements that restrict or seek to impair this right shall
be null and void; measures directed to this end shall be
unlawful. Measures taken pursuant to Article 12a, to para-
graphs (2) and (3) of Article 35, to paragraph (4) of Article
87a, or to Article 91 may not be directed against industrial
disputes engaged in by associations within the meaning of
the first sentence of this paragraph in order to safeguard
and improve working and economic conditions.

[Privacy of correspondence, posts and
telecommunications]
The privacy of correspondence, posts and telecommunica-
tions shall be inviolable.
Restrictions may be ordered only pursuant to a law. If the
restriction serves to protect the free democratic basic order
or the existence or security of the Federation or of a Land,
the law may provide that the person affected shall not be
informed of the restriction and that recourse to the courts
shall be replaced by a review of the case by agencies and
auxiliary agencies appointed by the legislature.

[Freedom of movement]
All Germans shall have the right to move freely throughout
the federal territory.
This right may be restricted only by or pursuant to a law,
and only in cases in which the absence of adequate means
of support would result in a particular burden for the com-
munity, or in which such restriction is necessary to avert
an imminent danger to the existence or the free democratic
basic order of the Federation or of a Land
, to combat the danger of an epidemic, to respond to a grave accident or
natural disaster, to protect young persons from serious ne-
glect, or to prevent crime.

[Occupational freedom]
All Germans shall have the right freely to choose their
occupation or profession, their place of work and their
place of training. The practice of an occupation or profes-
sion may be regulated by or pursuant to a law.
No person may be required to perform work of a particular
kind except within the framework of a traditional duty of
community service that applies generally and equally to all.
Forced labour may be imposed only on persons deprived of
their liberty by the judgment of a court.

[Compulsory military and alternative civilian service]
Men who have attained the age of eighteen may be required
to serve in the Armed Forces, in the Federal Border Police,
or in a civil defence organisation.
Any person who, on grounds of conscience, refuses to render
military service involving the use of arms may be required
to perform alternative service. The duration of alternative
service shall not exceed that of military service. Details
shall be regulated by a law, which shall not interfere with
the freedom to make a decision in accordance with the
dictates of conscience, and which shall also provide for
the possibility of alternative service not connected with
units of the Armed Forces or of the Federal Border Police.
Persons liable to compulsory military service who are not
called upon to render service pursuant to paragraph (1) or
(2) of this Article may, when a state of defence is in effect,
be assigned by or pursuant to a law to employment involv-
ing civilian services for defence purposes, including the
protection of the civilian population; they may be assigned
to public employment only for the purpose of discharging
police functions or such other sovereign functions of public
administration as can be discharged only by persons em-
ployed in the public service. The employment contemplat-
ed by the first sentence of this paragraph may include ser
vices within the Armed Forces, in the provision of military
supplies, or with public administrative authorities; assign-
ments to employment connected with supplying and servicing
the civilian population shall be permissible only to
meet their basic requirements or to guarantee their safety.

If, during a state of defence, the need for civilian services in
the civilian health system or in stationary military hospitals
cannot be met on a voluntary basis, women between the age
of eighteen and fiftyfive may be called upon to render such
services by or pursuant to a law. Under no circumstances
may they be required to render service involving the use of
arms.

Prior to the existence of a state of defence, assignments un-
der paragraph (3) of this Article may be made only if the re-
quirements of paragraph (1) of Article 80a are met. In prep-
aration for the provision of services under paragraph (3) of
this Article that demand special knowledge or skills, partic-
ipation in training courses may be required by or pursuant
to a law. In this case the first sentence of this paragraph
shall not apply.

If, during a state of defence, the need for workers in the
areas specified in the second sentence of paragraph (3) of
this Article cannot be met on a voluntary basis, the right
of German citizens to abandon their occupation or place of
employment may be restricted by or pursuant to a law in
order to meet this need. Prior to the existence of a state of
defence, the first sentence of paragraph (5) of this Article
shall apply mutatis mutandis.

[Inviolability of the home]
The home is inviolable.
Searches may be authorised only by a judge or, when time is
of the essence, by other authorities designated by the laws,
and may be carried out only in the manner therein prescribed.
If particular facts justify the suspicion that any person has
committed an especially serious crime specifically defined
by a law, technical means of acoustical surveillance of any
home in which the suspect is supposedly staying may be
employed pursuant to judicial order for the purpose of pro-
secuting the offence, provided that alternative methods of
investigating the matter would be disproportionately dif-
ficult or unproductive. The authorisation shall be for a lim
ited time. The order shall be issued by a panel composed
of three judges. When time is of the essence, it may also be
issued by a single judge.
To avert acute dangers to public safety, especially dangers
to life or to the public, technical means of surveillance of
the home may be employed only pursuant to judicial order.
When time is of the essence, such measures may also be
ordered by other authorities designated by a law; a judicial
decision shall subsequently be obtained without delay.
If technical means are contemplated solely for the protec-
tion of persons officially deployed in a home, the measure
may be ordered by an authority designated by a law. The
information thereby obtained may be otherwise used only
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termined by a judge; when time is of the essence, a judicial
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to paragraph (3) and, within the jurisdiction of the Federa-
tion, pursuant to paragraph (4) and, insofar as judicial ap-
proval is required, pursuant to paragraph (5) of this Article.
A panel elected by the Bundestag shall exercise parliamen-
tary oversight on the basis of this report. A comparable par
liamentary oversight shall be afforded by the
Länder

[Property – Inheritance – Expropriation]
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Property entails obligations. Its use shall also serve the
public good.
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It may only be ordered by or pursuant to a law that deter
mines the nature and extent of compensation. Such com-
pensation shall be determined by establishing an equitable
balance between the public interest and the interests of
those affected. In case of dispute concerning the amount of
compensation, recourse may be had to the ordinary courts.

[Socialisation]
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the purpose of socialisation be transferred to public owner
ship or other forms of public enterprise by a law that deter
mines the nature and extent of compensation. With respect
to such compensation the third and fourth sentences of par
agraph (3) of Article 14 shall apply mutatis mutandis.

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the person affected only if he does not become stateless as a
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Persons persecuted on political grounds shall have the right
of asylum.
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son who enters the federal territory from a member state of
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Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms is assured. The
states outside the European Communities to which the cri-
teria of the first sentence of this paragraph apply shall be
specified by a law requiring the consent of the Bundesrat.
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measures to terminate an applicant’s stay may be imple-
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be specified in which, on the basis of their laws, enforce
sent practices and general political conditions, it can be
safely concluded that neither political persecution nor
inhuman or degrading punishment or treatment exists. It
shall be presumed that a foreigner from such a state is not
persecuted, unless he presents evidence justifying the con-
clusion that, contrary to this presumption, he is persecuted
on political grounds.
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in other cases that are plainly unfounded or considered to
be plainly unfounded, the implementation of measures to
terminate an applicant’s stay may be suspended by a court
only if serious doubts exist as to their legality; the scope of
review may be limited, and tardy objections may be disre-
garded. Details shall be determined by a law.
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conclusion of international agreements of member states of
the European Communities with each other or with those
third states which, with due regard for the obligations aris-
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and the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and
Fundamental Freedoms, whose enforcement must be as-
sured in the contracting states, adopt rules conferring juris-
diction to decide on applications for asylum, including the
reciprocal recognition of asylum decisions.

[Right of petition]
Every person shall have the right individually or jointly
with others to address written requests or complaints to
competent authorities and to the legislature.

[Restriction of basic rights in specific instances]
Laws regarding military and alternative service may pro-
vide that the basic right of members of the Armed Forces
and of alternative service freely to express and disseminate
their opinions in speech, writing and pictures (first clause
of paragraph (1) of Article 5), the basic right of assembly
(Article 8), and the right of petition (Article 17) insofar as
it permits the submission of requests or complaints jointly
with others, be restricted during their period of military
or alternative service.
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population, may provide for restriction of the basic rights of.

 

[Viet]

CHINA is still in.development there is no space to make conclusion yet if.CHINA would win finnally but Chineses are very confident that i.can assure you!

IT will take a long time but we will be there when nobody want to challenge Chinese territory defense!

What are China territories you want to defend? No offense but you have money but have mindset of a third world. Similar the people in Sudan or Venezuela. Look at this section: full of Chinese theads and threats, with 100 threads alone about China supreme leader Xi Jinping telling the world he is ready for war.

Ever considered to see a doc?

 

[jhungary]

I thought that was the communist motto: 'Power To The People' ?


Look at the corruption in China before you start spouting off on how terrible is the Western democracy model.

Am a military guy. Explain to me how is it that the Chinese military leadership can flout traffic laws.

The Chinese model only works IF (and that is a VERY BIG IF) the leadership is in good hand, and since it was all the way to the top, if the leader quality is bad, than, it mean it will fail dramatically.

Question is, whether or not you can maintain a good leadership or keep churning out good leader is one thing, another thing is when the economy begin to tank, it would take a good bunch of people to save it, but being in China, you don't have the luxury for that big bunch of people, because power is centralised. And you cannot remove anyone that is not suitable to lead, because power is centralised.

As a Military Officer, I was always told it's easy to fight an downhill battle when people before you already prep the battlefield, but when you fight an uphill battle, that is where the leadership quality shows. And China have not seen many "Uphill Battle" since 1980 when the leadership with Deng is exceptionally good, but all good things comes to an end, and whether or not China can survive a bad leader remain to be seen. But I would not want to be in that China if they were elected.