Yemen situation: simplified by a PDf member

[ebrahym]

Brief overview:

Yemen used to be North Yemen and South Yemen until 1990. Houthis are Zaidi minority from the North. Yemen used to be ruled by Saleh, who was very corrupt and destroyed Yemen's economy. He wanted to become ruler of Yemen for life and become a dictator so Yemenis across the country rebelled against him (part of Arab Spring).

Then Saleh fled to Saudi Arabia and agreed to step down and transfer power to Hadi for a two-year term and promise to hold real elections in 2014. Saleh returned and was granted immunity against all prosecution for his crimes.

Hadi never held the 2014 elections, so Houthis rebelled to force Hadi to accept a unity government including Houthi representation. Hadi and his government resigned and then fled to South Yemen and Houthis declared they were the new government.

Hadi then rescinded his resignation (!), fled to KSA and invited KSA to bomb Yemen to restore him to power.

Then lots of complicated things happened such as Saleh and his forces allying with Houthis, then trying to ally with KSA only to be killed by Houthis for his betrayal, etc.

KSA backs Hadi to be ruler but UAE backs Southern Transitional Council (STC) groups in the South. STC want independence (remember Yemen used to be North and South Yemen - two separate states...). Both Hadi and STC were formally allied against Houthis, but now STC are fighting against Hadi forces and have seized a lot of military bases and key buildings (such as the Presidential Palace in Aden).

Houthis never fired any missiles against Saudi Arabia before KSA invaded Yemen to attack Houthis (committing war crimes, creating the worst humanitarian crisis in the world today according to the UN, killing tens of thousands of civilians, etc). KSA think Houthis are an Iranian proxy and Hadi was a Saudi puppet, so they prefer to have Hadi regime in Yemen.

Iran certainly gives Houthis some element of support, but the idea that Iran controls the Houthis or something is simply Saudi paranoia/propaganda. Indeed, in 2014 when the Houthis were rebelling against the Hadi regime to hold new elections, Iran advised the Houthis against moving into Sana'a (the capital), but the Houthis ignored Iran and did it anyway.

Now the Houthis have a wide range of missiles and drones and have shown an ability to strike targets 1200km into Saudi Arabia. Their traditional stronghold homeland in North Yemen is very large and mountainous and it is like the Taliban in Afghanistan; they cannot be totally defeated. UAE has pulled most of its forces out of Yemen already because they don't want to fight Houthis any more, they just want to gain influence with STC proxies.
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@Battle of Waterloo

 

[313ghazi]

Thanks for the post. I suspect some people will argue with your opinion.

I want to share something a British Muslim imam i know has said about Yemen. Adam Kelwick is a British born white Englishman. He's from Liverpool, he's a Muslim Imam and is currently doing aid work in Yemen.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10156079459396330

This is his experience.

I share this because he talks about the human impact of war, through just 1 instance. This often gets overlooked when we talk on this forum.

 

[Khafee]

@ArabianEmpires&Caliphates The OP has some serious flaws, kindly look into it.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

@ArabianEmpires&Caliphates The OP has some serious flaws, kindly look into it.

Frankly not interested. Let him live in his own propaganda bobble courtesy of some Iranian false flagger that pretends to be an Englishman (lol).

What matters is that the Houthi terrorist cult controls less than 10% of Yemen and that they have no future in that country.

Those pathetic tiny toy drones did not do any harm before being shot down and crossed the uninhabited Rub' al Khali in the first place. This will only further increase KSA's internal and external defense. With the arrival of THAAD, S-400, existing updates of the Patriots and other goodies in the arsenal, the few fireworks and small suicide drones that cannot do any harm, will be further dealt with.

 

[war&peace]

But @ebrahym we are told that Houthis have plans to conquer KSA and destroy Kaaba? Can you please elaborate this ? Because if this is the case then they will be the victims of Allah's wrath.

 

[Battle of Waterloo]

But @ebrahym we are told that Houthis have plans to conquer KSA and destroy Kaaba? Can you please elaborate this ? Because if this is the case then they will be the victims of Allah's wrath.

Houthis cannot "conquer" KSA and nor did they ever say such a thing. They are simply defending Yemeni people from outside invasion in self-defence.

As for destroying Kaaba, this is also pure Saudi propaganda and has nothing to do with reality. Any time Houthis launch a missile into KSA, Saudis lie and claim it was heading for Mecca to try to justify their war on fellow Arab Muslims.

Reality: KSA invaded Yemen expecting to defeat Houthis and restore illegitimate Hadi regime to Sana'a by carpet bombing Yemen within a few weeks.

4 years later, Hadi is still hiding in Saudi, Houthis still control Sana'a (and much more), Houthis are 100x more powerful and capable than they were before (capable of striking vital targets 1200km+ deep into KSA), and now Hadi/KSA are even losing Aden (their traditional stronghold in the South) to UAE-backed STC fighters! No colourful maps can distort or alter this reality.

What a disaster for MBS/KSA. UAE have escaped the conflict and gained a useful proxy in the STC (who are now the strongest force in South Yemen), but for KSA this war has cost billions of dollars, hundreds of casualties and huge reputational harm.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

@ArabianEmpires&Caliphates You talk hilariously like clowns that you would retake Sana’a within just a month. In the end what? truth is your ground components are so incompetent you must rely on mercenaries for even the seemly simple task of defending your border with Yemen:

All the gadgets money can buy, support of 2 superpowers of the world and yet beaten boldly by barefooted Bedouins, your troops retreat shamelessly at the first sign of trouble, decadence has eaten through your race.

Fact is, it’s known by contractors and other militaries that Saudis have one of the worst armies. There’s a reason countries like the USA and the UK turn to countries such as UAE and Jordan in the region… that is because they’re “better.”

More incoherent blabbering and nonsense from some trolls in this thread.

KSA and the Arab coalition controls 90% of Yemen and all its strategic areas, 99.9% of all ports and all the oil and gas. Yemen is a heavily mountainous country the size of Iraq and Syria combined. No other Muslim country has in modern history controlled let alone conquered such a huge country and held it for this long with minimal loses against the most heavily armed terrorist group in the world (Houthis).

Only on PDF are the Houthi terrorist cult "winning" and KSA losing.


You have been reading way too much imaginary propaganda.

Most of the war is financed by Yemeni oil and gas that remains in the hand of the legitimate Yemeni government that happens to be aligned with KSA and the Arab coalition.

Iran has done jack shit in Yemen as they are barely relevant. Some IRGC terrorists and Hezbollah terrorists entering a lawless and Houthi-controlled Yemen prior to the Arab coalition intervention is all there is to it. Most of the Houthi terrorist cult's weaponry is Soviet in origin as they managed to control most of the inventory of the Yemeni military.

Hence why KSA and the Arab coalition have been rebuilding the Yemeni army in the past 4.5 years that is part and parcel of every operation to regain Yemeni land.

Those pathetic tiny toy drones did zero harm. They only were able to cross that far into KSA (supposedly) due to crossing the mighty Rub' al-Khali that is more or less uninhabited. This is a valuable lesson for KSA (despite not even close to serious damage).

 

[Genghis khan1]

Brief overview:

Yemen used to be North Yemen and South Yemen until 1990. Houthis are Zaidi minority from the North. Yemen used to be ruled by Saleh, who was very corrupt and destroyed Yemen's economy. He wanted to become ruler of Yemen for life and become a dictator so Yemenis across the country rebelled against him (part of Arab Spring).

Then Saleh fled to Saudi Arabia and agreed to step down and transfer power to Hadi for a two-year term and promise to hold real elections in 2014. Saleh returned and was granted immunity against all prosecution for his crimes.

Hadi never held the 2014 elections, so Houthis rebelled to force Hadi to accept a unity government including Houthi representation. Hadi and his government resigned and then fled to South Yemen and Houthis declared they were the new government.

Hadi then rescinded his resignation (!), fled to KSA and invited KSA to bomb Yemen to restore him to power.

Then lots of complicated things happened such as Saleh and his forces allying with Houthis, then trying to ally with KSA only to be killed by Houthis for his betrayal, etc.

KSA backs Hadi to be ruler but UAE backs Southern Transitional Council (STC) groups in the South. STC want independence (remember Yemen used to be North and South Yemen - two separate states...). Both Hadi and STC were formally allied against Houthis, but now STC are fighting against Hadi forces and have seized a lot of military bases and key buildings (such as the Presidential Palace in Aden).

Houthis never fired any missiles against Saudi Arabia before KSA invaded Yemen to attack Houthis (committing war crimes, creating the worst humanitarian crisis in the world today according to the UN, killing tens of thousands of civilians, etc). KSA think Houthis are an Iranian proxy and Hadi was a Saudi puppet, so they prefer to have Hadi regime in Yemen.

Iran certainly gives Houthis some element of support, but the idea that Iran controls the Houthis or something is simply Saudi paranoia/propaganda. Indeed, in 2014 when the Houthis were rebelling against the Hadi regime to hold new elections, Iran advised the Houthis against moving into Sana'a (the capital), but the Houthis ignored Iran and did it anyway.

Now the Houthis have a wide range of missiles and drones and have shown an ability to strike targets 1200km into Saudi Arabia. Their traditional stronghold homeland in North Yemen is very large and mountainous and it is like the Taliban in Afghanistan; they cannot be totally defeated. UAE has pulled most of its forces out of Yemen already because they don't want to fight Houthis any more, they just want to gain influence with STC proxies.
credits:
@Battle of Waterloo

You are significantly downplaying Iran involvements in the issue. Who is supply Houthis with Drones, missiles etc. I am skeptical about your analysis considering it may be biased.

 

[BATMAN]

Thanks for the post. I suspect some people will argue with your opinion.

Sure this is the view of Zanibiyoonis, who are fighting for corrupt Assad.
Anyway, i would like to listen to the pdf story of Iranian genocide of Muslims of Sistan post revolution.

 

[Battle of Waterloo]

You are significantly downplaying Iran involvements in the issue. Who is supply Houthis with Drones, missiles etc. I am skeptical about your analysis considering it may be biased.

ISIS has drones. Syrian rebels have drones.

Houthis were allied with Saleh and large parts of the Yemeni army who were loyal to Saleh fought for the Houthis. The Houthis also captured large amounts of weapons held by the Yemeni army, such as S-75 SAM systems and SCUD missiles. Considering how weaponised Yemen was already, it is not exactly hugely surprising that the Houthis have captured and used a lot of weapons.

Besides, many Saudis will tell you that the Houthis have very primitive weapons and are incapable of dealing any harm to KSA, so the weapons of the Houthis must be old and captured from the old Yemeni Army by even Saudi logic.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

@ArabianEmpires&Caliphates

It is well known that KSA is suffering from a general lack of competence. When something important is done they call for an expat to do it. Why not? If you got the money why not hire the best?

If things worked the way it used to, the KSA would call the USA to invade Yemen. The KSA would of course pay something for the service. Today the game has changed. The USA is not interested. Fight your own war! Suddenly Saudi brats must do the job themselves. They are not up to the tasks;

• Regime change
• Earn the love of the natives.
• Build a sustainable economy

Aware of your limited capability you are trying a less ambitious plan:

• Make life in Yemen hell.

This is enough to send a message: Do not team up with Iran! Look at Yemen. That is what we can do to you!

I think this is what you are calling victory.

Not well-known. Only in the heads of keyboard warriors online. The track record proves otherwise, case in point the Yemeni conflict and what I wrote. No other Muslim country has been able to control such a large part of a foreign country (as challenging geographically, as big and as populous as Yemen - notoriously difficult to control even for Yemeni governments as well) in the modern era for that long. With very limited casualties in the process. Against the most heavily armed terrorist group in the world armed with ballistic missiles etc. Makes a mockery out of ISIS, Taliban, PKK and whatever they are named.

Nonsense. KSA is the most educated Muslim country in the world with the highest scientific output per capita.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/oiling-the-wheels-on-a-road-to-success-in-saudi-arabia.428713/

Most of the expats in KSA are doing manual jobs that no local wants to do due to the low pay and besides robots will do such jobs in the future. Many locals already do them as some of such jobs have been banned for foreigners in order to encourage students etc. to do such jobs. Say sitting behind a counter and selling stuff in malls, souks etc.

What I just wrote proves that KSA is up for the task 100%. As do the ground realities.

BTW KSA has the most deadly (and more of them) ballistic missiles in the region (as well as air force, only Israel can compete due to being an US colony), and could easily flatten those few areas of Yemen that remain in Houthi terrorist control if we used the Al-Assad approach.

ISIS has drones. Syrian rebels have drones.

Houthis were allied with Saleh and large parts of the Yemeni army who were loyal to Saleh fought for the Houthis. The Houthis also captured large amounts of weapons held by the Yemeni army, such as S-75 SAM systems and SCUD missiles. Considering how weaponised Yemen was already, it is not exactly hugely surprising that the Houthis have captured and used a lot of weapons.

Besides, many Saudis will tell you that the Houthis have very primitive weapons and are incapable of dealing any harm to KSA, so the weapons of the Houthis must be old and captured from the old Yemeni Army by even Saudi logic.

Why don't you use your Iranian flag and stop pretending to be an Englishman @WinterNights?

@Dubious @The Eagle @waz this is a double user that created his current user after he was banned using the @WinterNights user. I would take a look if I were you.

Similarly the newly registered troll below. Probably a double user pretending to be Pakistani.

The Saudis in the end will be forced to retreat or abandon their (unclear) objectives due to mounting international pressure against their long list of war crimes, while their capital is at risk of missile attacks from the Yemeni resistance groups. Did you see their reaction when a “toy drone” flew near their royal palace in Riyadh? They went into a frenzy! So many shots were fired at this “toy drone” that some people thought there was a coup going on!

More than once, missiles fired from Yemen managed to reach areas near Riyadh, even the airport, which comes to show that their air defences are BS. If they reach anywhere near the royal palace, they’re screwed. The King will be hurried to a bunker so deep underground that you’d never know if he’d ever resurface.

In fact, their entire military operation in Yemen is just all over the place, and it’s just war crimes after war crimes. Their military incompetence is no secret, and the Americans, Brits and French are just milking their money. Their cause is doomed.

More incoherent fantasy trolling from this false-flagger that joined a few days ago to obsess about KSA of all countries on the planet while India is doing what they want to do in Kashmir. Go focus on what is really important for you as a supposed Pakistani. Troll.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

@ArabianEmpires&Caliphates i am not a false flagger, its just that:

I despise the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

The country itself, is the symbol of backwardness and generally a rotten culture. I don’t hate the people, but I loath the government and everything that it stands for. There exists no humans rights in the country, and women are second class citizens. It’s even worse for migrant workers, especially those who comes from poor parts of the world. These typically comes from India, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Thailand. Foreign workers have been raped, exploited, under- or unpaid, physically abused or forced to overwork. I have personally been there and experienced the racism. At one time i was thinking of applying to KFUPM until my family advised to me "visit" KSA for once.

foreign workers accommodation:

Everyone, who shares a little sense of humanity and universal brotherhood, would also despise this cruelty, which is being exerted in Saudi Arabia. We live in the 21st century, yet this is modern day slavery.

As Sa’adi a famous Persian poet once wrote:

“Human beings are members of a whole,

In creation of one essence and soul.

If one member is afflicted with pain,

Other members uneasy will remain.

If you've no sympathy for human pain,

The name of human you cannot retain”

You Saudis are hypocrites of the first grade, killing innocent Muslims while masquerading as the Khalifas of this Ummah, pathetic!

Nobody cares about your useless propaganda, Farsi troll. You can keep crying and jumping up and down like a monkey. Won't change any of the ground realities even for 1 single second.

 

[Khafee]

You are significantly downplaying Iran involvements in the issue. Who is supply Houthis with Drones, missiles etc. I am skeptical about your analysis considering it may be biased.

Sir, not "it may be" but "it is."

 

[BTruth]

Brief overview:

Yemen used to be North Yemen and South Yemen until 1990. Houthis are Zaidi minority from the North. Yemen used to be ruled by Saleh, who was very corrupt and destroyed Yemen's economy. He wanted to become ruler of Yemen for life and become a dictator so Yemenis across the country rebelled against him (part of Arab Spring).

Then Saleh fled to Saudi Arabia and agreed to step down and transfer power to Hadi for a two-year term and promise to hold real elections in 2014. Saleh returned and was granted immunity against all prosecution for his crimes.

Hadi never held the 2014 elections, so Houthis rebelled to force Hadi to accept a unity government including Houthi representation. Hadi and his government resigned and then fled to South Yemen and Houthis declared they were the new government.

Hadi then rescinded his resignation (!), fled to KSA and invited KSA to bomb Yemen to restore him to power.

Then lots of complicated things happened such as Saleh and his forces allying with Houthis, then trying to ally with KSA only to be killed by Houthis for his betrayal, etc.

KSA backs Hadi to be ruler but UAE backs Southern Transitional Council (STC) groups in the South. STC want independence (remember Yemen used to be North and South Yemen - two separate states...). Both Hadi and STC were formally allied against Houthis, but now STC are fighting against Hadi forces and have seized a lot of military bases and key buildings (such as the Presidential Palace in Aden).

Houthis never fired any missiles against Saudi Arabia before KSA invaded Yemen to attack Houthis (committing war crimes, creating the worst humanitarian crisis in the world today according to the UN, killing tens of thousands of civilians, etc). KSA think Houthis are an Iranian proxy and Hadi was a Saudi puppet, so they prefer to have Hadi regime in Yemen.

Iran certainly gives Houthis some element of support, but the idea that Iran controls the Houthis or something is simply Saudi paranoia/propaganda. Indeed, in 2014 when the Houthis were rebelling against the Hadi regime to hold new elections, Iran advised the Houthis against moving into Sana'a (the capital), but the Houthis ignored Iran and did it anyway.

Now the Houthis have a wide range of missiles and drones and have shown an ability to strike targets 1200km into Saudi Arabia. Their traditional stronghold homeland in North Yemen is very large and mountainous and it is like the Taliban in Afghanistan; they cannot be totally defeated. UAE has pulled most of its forces out of Yemen already because they don't want to fight Houthis any more, they just want to gain influence with STC proxies.
credits:
@Battle of Waterloo

clearly a biased analysis. Absolving Iran completely. Iran is as much to blame in this conflict as Saudi Arabia. Had these two countries not intervened things would have been a lot better.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

clearly a biased analysis. Absolving Iran completely. Iran is as much to blame in this conflict as Saudi Arabia. Had these two countries not intervened things would have been a lot better.

Nonsense.

The Houthi terrorist cult (less than 30 year old terrorist cult) has been waging several wars against the Yemeni states since the 1990's. The current Yemeni civil war was kickstarted by them as well when they illegally and violently took control of most of Yemen, took control of Sana'a, stole all the money in the Yemeni central bank and absolved the Yemeni parliament (illegally as well).

The UN recognized and legitimate Yemeni government (recognized by all UN members) called on fellow brotherly Arab states, in particular neighboring ones like KSA, to help restore law and order in Yemen. KSA and the Arab coalition did just that by intervening in March of 2015 after failed Houthi incursions into Southern KSA (the almost 2000 km long KSA-Yemeni border is heavily mountainous and there was no physical border along much of the border as a consequence).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_takeover_in_Yemen

KSA is not going to tolerate an backward and failed terrorist cult to control one of the largest Muslim countries in the world and soon to be one of the most populous and as strategic a country like Yemen, moreover a backward terrorist cult aligned politically to the Iranian Mullah regime. Not going to happen.

All this nonsense about Hadi (just a figurehead - he is irrelevant) but who elected the Houthis? They have ruled Sana'a longer than Hadi ever did now. Hypocrisy.