Yemen: Pak Militay Presence a Must in Saudi Arabia & Emirates

[MastanKhan]

Well Mr. Khan, its always good to read your posts. You seem to be one of the few people on here who have a good clue about what's going on around the South East Asian region.

Taking a look at your bold part, it seems like you have some great knowledge to share with us on this subject. What is it that's making the KSA and the UAE react so bad as you suggest in the above post??

Why are they asking for forces from Pakistan and why the responses coming in the way they do? Enlighten us please....

Pappy,

You are a good poster---please don't be patronizing now---would you---hehn.

 

[MastanKhan]

Good idea! But you need to sign a no-war pact with India first! You never know when these evil Yindoo banyas will take advantage to attack Pakistan, because if they do, then you would need all the firepower at your disposal!!

Secondly PA's threat is from its historical adversary, its enemy number 1 - India. Thus priority 1 would be to defend Pakistan against India's 'hegamonistic' designs. The Middle East is not the priority.

However, you just put forth a proposal about Pakistan sending troops to the Gulf, as quoted above. If so, then Pakistan may consider raising these two additional corps, an armored/mechanized division, another squadron of F-16s/JFs and a couple of frigates/destroyers for deployment in the Middle East to serve the masters of the Islamic world - The House of Saud!

But then that would cost you a mind boggling $20-30 billion to put this force together! Is it worth it just to protect Saudi interests? I'm not so sure! Are you?

Hi,

You been sleeping thru the story----. This 2 or 3 corps strength will be extra forces---addition to the troops we have now. Same with air force and navy----totally separate---funded by those two states and at the disposal of Pakistan when needed---.

They will put the funds for the forces----. Now I get to translate the thread to everyone.

You threatened to leave the board on another thread---so you still here.

 

[Zarvan]

Yemen and military intervention by Pakistan:
The middle east is going through trying time at this moment. Like many others, a new issue that has surfaced in the muslim world---an insurgency in Yemen---an overthrow of a legitimate government by armed tribesmen who have weapons supplied by the Iranians and being trained and assisted by them as well.

The nations of Saudi Arabia and Arab Emirates have asked for direct assistance of Pakistan's military. Incidently, this request was denied by the Pakistani parliament, which seemed ill-informed about the core matter of the problem, the significance of pakistan military presence in that region and other things related to the issue.

Simply put---the minister of state was ill prepared to describe what was needed from Pakistan---he failed to make the right presentation and Pakistani politicians were running scared to man up and take charge of the issue.

Here is an assessment of the situation.

This opportunity was a golden moment for Pakistan to extend its influence beyond its borders. Pakistan must look forward to deploy at least two corps strengths of troops---infantry and armor---a two to three squadrons of air force and two frigates in the region in due time with funding from the states in need.

Pakistan has a plethora of of senior / mid range officers and NCO's available who have retired after 25 years of service---these are still young men by western standards to serve a few years more.

Pakistan can make a one to two division strength available from existing troops and start recruiting and training the rest on a fast track. A possible cantonment build at Gwadar port that could be the launchpad and training ground for new recruits and officers to be deployed .

Obviously---the countries in need would be taking care of the expenses, for the recruitment, training, man material, weapons and armament, armor, air craft and naval vessels.

The reason this needs to be done is that the power positioning of the muslim world has drastically changed in the last few years.

The muslim power has depleted down to 3 major powers in the region that stand on one side ie Turkey,

Egypt and Pakistan with their benefactors in Qatar, Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Iran on the other side.
Sadly Iraq is gone---so is Syria and so is Libya from the picture. These nations do not present themselves to be nations of any substance at this time. Civil war, insurgency, terrorist occupation has taken hold of these nations and they are facing destruction. Nations like Algeria and Morocco are just standing by with not much to offer..

Taking the example of Yemen, a nation that had an established government that was overthrown by an ethnic group creates a lack of stability for the nation itself and the neighboring countries as well.

The insurgency resulted in the defeat of government troops, they ran away, the rebels came in to replace them but not in all cities---which created a vacuum that got filled in with terrorists organizations like the al- qaeda and isis taking charge on a fast trak.

Once these organizations get into the cities, it gets very easy for them to hide amongst the public and create havoc and force terror in the society. These groups have learned to move at a lightening pace and take charge of their targets while legitimate governments are busy talking about taking legal recourse and action against them through united nations etc.

Pretty much everything is lost by the time an arranged military response is managed.
As the rules of the game have changed, so the number of teams in the playing field have changed as well( govt forces---anti govt forces ---multiple terrorist groups ), it becomes imperative for nations like Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt to play a pro-active role under these circumstances.

The mindset of the military's leadership needs to be ready for action and be prepared for move in and be ready for a pre-emptive strikes on a very short notice.

The explanation of “ there is seemingly no current threat ” should not be taken as an answer for the problem---because this issue is an opportunistic problem---. The insurgents would see a weakness or create a situation to create a conflict, the terrorists would take advantage of two forces fighting each other and move into the void created.

For that very reason, a well equipped force already deployed for the purpose and ready for action at a moments notice is the right and correct approach to meet and stop any un-called for problems head on. A ready and pro-active force in the region would prevent such a thing from happening in the first place.

If Pakistan is able to convince the needy parties to bear the expense for at least 2 corps strength of infantry and armor, air force and navy, it will give Pakistan an extra influence in the region of friendly countries where they are deployed, with the induction of Gwadar port, these troops will be an immense asset. In the time of an emergency in Pakistan---like an aggression from India, we will be able to access 2 / 3rd the numbers of these troops to strengthen our flanks on a moments notice.

Would it not be nice to have 20-30,000 troops available to you in addition to your regular service personal in an emergency.

The good thing about this scenario is that in an emergency---Pakistan would not be deploying troops from its own stock---which will eventually create problems in our own backyard if such was the case as it would deplete the number of our troops in needed places.

We will be creating jobs for our men, increasing the strength of our forces, projecting the position of Pakistan in front of the world in a positive manner, managing and maintaining peace in the region and taking our rightful position as the military leader of the muslim world.

Pakistan must not shirk away from its calling. As a capable military---it is our moral obligation to help our less capable brethren when they call for our assistance and when they are paying for the services rendered, it makes the cause holier.

Iran had been waiting for a long time to stir up trouble in this region. The sickness of Late King Abdullah gave it the opportunity to make the move and the time it took from the sickness, to passing away and then the transition of the new king coming into power was more than enough for Iran to move in.

As is obvious now that Iran supplied the insurgents with weapons, they supplied them with the trainers and possibly operators as well. Saudi Arabia had claimed of Iranian arms being shipped into yemen and it asked for Pakistani navy's assistance as well.

It looks evident from the reaction of Iranian navy ships turning back once confronted by the U S battle group that they must be loaded with weapons for the rebels.

Just yesterday, Iranian navy moved onto the Marshall Island merchant navy ship and confiscated it in en seas. Looking at the actions of the Iranian navy---it seems like that the Pakistani navy would have to step up its presence in the area.

Pakistan navy would also need to acquire more surface fleet, like the chinese 054 class frigate as for now with additional F 22 type frigates as well.

The terrorist interference and insurgency scenario in this region will happen at a lightening fast speed and for that reason it is imperative that Pakistani military takes the initiative of starting to build a corps strength of troops at least for Saudi Arabia and another corps strength for the Emirates so that in times of need it is already in place as a deterrent---.

God bless Pakistan.
Sincerely,
MK

I agree we need to go in Houthis have started to attack Saudi border its time to go in and teach those attackers a lesson we need to go in fast

 

[New Resolve]

The way SA started all this without consulting pak and then demanding pak involvement left a bad taste on both sides. Hope things will move in consultation from here on in.

 

[Viper0011.]

You threatened to leave the board on another thread---so you still here.

LOL !! HAHAHA. That's a good one but it would never happen. He did that a few time before too. Some people just never change or give up!!

Pappy, You are a good poster---please don't be patronizing now---would you---hehn.

LOL, no one's ever called me a "pappy" lol. Interesting concept! But I actually was being serious. Not patronizing. Go see that post and explain your thoughts on the bold. I am seriously interested to see what you'd have to write about the items in bold.....

 

[MastanKhan]

LOL !! HAHAHA. That's a good one but it would never happen. He did that a few time before too. Some people just never change or give up!!



LOL, no one's ever called me a "pappy" lol. Interesting concept! But I actually was being serious. Not patronizing. Go see that post and explain your thoughts on the bold. I am seriously interested to see what you'd have to write about the items in bold.....

Hi,

Well---if you put it that way---. Truthfully I don't know what the concerns of the Saudis or the Emiratis are---but the way they have responded, makes me think that there are some major concerns that they have. They have the military capability---they have the air force---so what are we missing here.

What is it about Iran that is making them so JITTERY---I don't know----but that is where my concern is---.

 

[OrionHunter]

Hi,

You been sleeping thru the story----. This 2 or 3 corps strength will be extra forces---addition to the troops we have now. Same with air force and navy----totally separate---funded by those two states and at the disposal of Pakistan when needed---.

They will put the funds for the forces----. Now I get to translate the thread to everyone.

So, do you in your wildest dreams suggest that the House of Saud and its devotees are going to invest $30-40 billion on raising these formations for Pakistan for intervention in the Middle East? Like an expeditionary force?? Either I need to get my head examined or you do! I think I'm just fine!

You threatened to leave the board on another thread---so you still here.

LOL !! HAHAHA. That's a good one but it would never happen. He did that a few time before too. Some people just never change or give up!!

Mastan bhai, I thought you always made it a point to read posts with a tooth-comb! But alas! That's not to be. I said I'm outta that particular thread not PDF. So I'll still be around to torment you as well as @viper!!

 

[MastanKhan]

So, do you in your wildest dreams suggest that the House of Saud and its devotees are going to invest $30-40 billion on raising these formations for Pakistan for intervention in the Middle East? Like an expeditionary force?? Either I need to get my head examined or you do! I think I'm just fine!



Mastan bhai, I thought you always made it a point to read posts with a tooth-comb! But alas! That's not to be. I said I'm outta that particular thread not PDF. So I'll still be around to torment you as well as @viper!!

Hi,

I don't dream---I just stated that if the Saudis would fund---we should deploy---if. I did not say that it was in my wildest dream or whatever---.

I was just kidding about your leaving--. I know you cannot go anywhere---we got you trapped----. The isi / defence dot pk trap---you are done.

 

[macnurv]

Hi,

What is an apology amongst brothers----. Do brothers apologize to each other---yes and no.

You also have to look at their expectations---their relationship with us---then look at the embarrassment that they felt---. Just imagine the terrorists taunting at them---hey what happened with your buddy.

Out of the two----Saudi Arabia / Emirates-----Emirates needs our assistance as much as Saudi Arabia needs it.

Our question must not be " why did they ask for our help---they already are capable "----. We must be grateful that even with all their military equipment and training, they believed in our capabilities and abilities to seek assistance.

The rest was just a matter of working out the details of the funding, troop strength, deployment and engagement

They must have known of their vulnerabilities and short comings or just simply they may have wanted to impress upon the trouble makers and warned them about the presence of Pakistani troops in the arena to stop them in thinking about creating trouble.

Another issue over here is that when you are in the habbit of taking all the time---and then you are asked to give---it is very difficult for you to part with your assets. You feel that you are ill equipped and don't have enough assets to part with.

Even though at times, I have shown no love lost for our middle eastern brethren---but in these trying times, I also hold back my reservations and want to find ways in how to assist.

Last time I visited UAE, I didn't exactly felt the so called brotherly feeling from them. For once and all we should start making decisions based on rational and realpolitik. International relations are tricky and complicated, no country makes decision based on morality, I am sorry no one does. All players keep their interests supreme and it was the right thing for us to do as well. The sheer arrogance of UAE rulers was evident by their reaction to Pakistans denial of lending our troops to fight their war. They expected nothing but complete compliance from our part, as we are slaves to them.
We should only become a part of this on our terms, and what is in our interest.
Pakistan as a country and Pakistanis as a nation must mature and for once and all get our priorities straight. Even if I accept the so called brotherly argument presented here, I must ask are they so blind to see that PA is engaged in FATA against TTP and its affiliates who by the way gets majority of funds from these brotherly countries. They have huge armies, with massive budgets yet cant fight rag tag houthis? Or to them Pakistani blood did not matter? Which one is it.
No they are not my brother, other than the fact that they happened to share the same religion, I have nothing in common with them. Its about time we stand for ourselves, be it Iran, UAE, Qatar and KSA, we must deal with them in accordance with our supreme interests. Get over this whole brotherly country BS, they supported us because they needed us, not out of love for us. Get real.

 

[MastanKhan]

@Khafee @Indus Falcon

If there was an apology that they could offer---pakistani military would offer it to the GCC and the saudis for not taking charge of the Yemen crisis 2 + years ago.

Because the word is out---' they made a blunder '---they did not realize what was coming---they made a mistake---they did not listen to what was being said---their decision was in error---.

 

[shahbaz baig]

what will pakistan get in return ???

 

[I S I]

@Khafee @Indus Falcon

If there was an apology that they could offer---pakistani military would offer it to the GCC and the saudis for not taking charge of the Yemen crisis 2 + years ago.

Because the word is out of the horse's mouth---' they made a blunder '---they did not realize what was coming---they made a mistake---they did not listen to what was being said---their decision was in error---.

Who? KSA right?

 

[singlefighter]

what will pakistan get in return ???

Nothing...but only after conflict resolve Saudi will say"yala roouh"(go now)

 

[Farah Sohail]

@Khafee @Indus Falcon

If there was an apology that they could offer---pakistani military would offer it to the GCC and the saudis for not taking charge of the Yemen crisis 2 + years ago.

Because the word is out of the horse's mouth---' they made a blunder '---they did not realize what was coming---they made a mistake---they did not listen to what was being said---their decision was in error---.

How do u know it? If u could hint abt the source? I would suggest tht rather than going in yemen now..it would be more appropriate if Gen Raheel Sharif accepts the offer to lead Islamic military alliance..and under tht banner...Pak army can participate, as Pak is member of tht alliance....

 

[BATMAN]

what will pakistan get in return ???

Soon, you will witness US amassing its troops on Pak Afgha border.
What would you expect at that moment?