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New Delhi, Dec 30 (IANS) The Chinese dragon hissed and sweet-talked by turns, but the lumbering Indian elephant surprised many towards the year-end by asserting itself, compelling an aggressive Beijing to discreetly stop stapling visas for visitors from the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir.

The two Asian powers began 2010 with their leaders exchanging warm feel-good greetings on the 60th anniversary of their diplomatic ties, but as the year progressed subliminal tensions came to the surface, putting a prickly relationship under stress.

The turbulence in ties between the two continent-sized neigbours with about 4,000 km shared border has been brewing since the landmark India-US nuclear deal in 2005. It acquired disruptive force in the ensuing years as Beijing first tried to block consensus for India in the Nuclear Suppliers Group in 2008 and showed a new assertiveness over Arunachal Pradesh.

In 2010, the Chinese assertiveness, however, made a mistake of targeting India on Kashmir. In a surprise move in July, Beijing denied a regular visa to Lt.General B.S. Jamwal, an army general in charge of Jammu and Kashmir, allegedly on the ground that Kashmir was a disputed territory between India and Pakistan. New Delhi retaliated, putting bilateral defence exchanges on hold.

Subsequently, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh hosted at his residence the Dalai Lama, the Tibetan spiritual leader who is seen by Beijing as a traitor. New Delhi tried to downplay the meeting as 'routine', but the message was clear to Beijing.

Amid growing diplomatic friction, the mild-mannered Manmohan Singh went public with his critique of China in September, saying China was trying to expand its foothold in South Asia. He warned that India needs to be prepared to deal with 'a new assertiveness among the Chinese.'

Amid reports of thousands of Chinese troops building roads in Pakistani Kashmir, Manmohan Singh aired India's concerns over stapled visas for visitors from Jammu and Kashmir and accelerated Chinese investment in the Pakistan-administered Kashmir when he met Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao in Hanoi on the sidelines of the India-ASEAN summit October-end.

The prime minister is understood to have conveyed that China should respect India's sensitivities on Jammu and Kashmir just as India had done so with Tibet and Taiwan, showing a tough posture which was reiterated when External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna met his counterpart Yang Jiechi in Wuhan Nov 14.

Although there was no break through on any of the thorny issues, be it the stapled visas or Beijing's support for New Delhi's bid for a permanent seat in the Security Council, Wen Jiabao's Dec 15-17 trip succeeded in stemming the downward slide and in getting the message across that India and China are partners, not rivals, in an emerging Asian century.

Defying sceptics, the two sides set up an ambitious target of nearly doubling bilateral trade to $100 billion by 2015, launched a CEOs' forum, started a strategic economic dialogue to address $24 billion trade imbalance, and ushered an annual trust-building dialogue between foreign ministers.

Highly-placed sources told IANS that with New Delhi upping the ante, Beijing has discreetly stopped stapling visas for visitors from Jammu and Kashmir. Officially, however, the two sides maintain their officials will meet to resolve the issue.

As the year was closing out, New Delhi toughened its diplomatic spine to deal with China as India's decision to attend the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony for Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo in Oslo showed. The absence of a reiteration of India's commitment to one-China policy from the Dec 16 joint statement that followed talks between Manmohan Singh and Wen Jiabao also was a clear message to China that it was time to get used to an assertive India in the year ahead.

The India-China relations, as Chinese ambassador Zhang Yan warned, could be fragile. And they will perhaps remain so unless, as Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao said, 'Chinese friends' get used to dealing with the 'vibrant...noisy, nature of our democracy.'
 
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Highly-placed sources told IANS that with New Delhi upping the ante, Beijing has discreetly stopped stapling visas for visitors from Jammu and Kashmir. Officially, however, the two sides maintain their officials will meet to resolve the issue.

I told you guys, don't trust chameleons. seems US has much better consistency than any other country. perhaps this is why US allies remain US allies. at least Whites value commitment, otherwise, why would ROK and Japan still be on their side? why knowing the fact that US power is declining, ROK and Japan still rely on US? why? I think I have got the answer. when US says something, at least it tries to mean it.
 
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First Hindu Temple to be Built in China | ISKCON News

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It is one of the grandest Hindu temples in the capital and has been built with a lot of thought and precision. An architectural marvel, the Akshardham temple is the cynosure of all eyes.

Soon a replica of it will be constructed, thousands of miles away in China. The first Hindu temple in communist China.

The Chinese government has invited the Swaminarayan Trust that runs the Akshardham temples in Noida and in Gandhinagar, to build a similar temple.

A huge piece of land has been earmarked in Fohsan state, which will not only house the temple but also an Indian cultural centre.

"Initial thoughts are to have a cultural centre also along with the temple, a traditional Indian music learning centre and also various Indian language teaching centres including Hindi, on this temple premises," said Jagat Shah, Joint Secretary-General, Indo-China Trade Council.

The Swaminarayan Trust has welcomed the decision, saying there's much more to it than the religious angle.

"This decision taken by Chinese government, letting the Hindus build a temple in China is to be appreciated highly. Its not only question of spirituality but also in many other ways both the countries will benefit. There will also be cultural exchange between people living in these two countries and that outcome will help in spiritual and physical growth of citizens of India and China," said Jasraj Maharaj, religious guru in the Swaminarayan Sect.

A core team of the trust is busy preparing the final design plan. Members of the team and the Indo-China Trade Council are expected to visit the proposed temple site soon.

A team of officials from one of China's prestigious construction companies that will execute the project is now in India to study the architecture of Swaminarayan temple.

"China is also very good at construction and especially our company actually focuses on various types of construction designs. I think this being a joint venture with Indian partner, design from India and construction from China, this temple will be the masterpiece," said Xiaojun Lee, Secretary of Board, Panzhihua Guanghua Group, PR China.

The first Hindu temple in the land of dragons will not just be a temple but the hub of cultural exchange between India and China.

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I am just trying to imagine how the PRC flag will look when its red color will be replaced by saffron color. just imagine five yellow stars on a saffron colored flag.

can any body tell me if a Chinese becomes a Hindu, will he be regarded as a Brahman or an untouchable dalit/shudra? let me remind you that without having a caste identity no body can become a Hindu. you can't belong to the Hindu community, if you don't have a caste identity which will be reflected by your new Hindu surname. best of luck CPC! :cheers:
 
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Another India bashing thread on pakistan defense forum! Oh great! You just earned yourself couple of thanks. :\

And New converts we treat them as brahmins don't worry. :P But as long as untouchability is concerned it's not just in hinduism it's in all religions in south asia. [maybe because all the south asains at one point were hindus] but still even after converting they'd still be untouchables.

Dalit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Look at the religion section. :)

And btw long live indo-sino friendship. [seller-buyer, just economic or whatever you wanna call it]
 
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The Brahman Hindu of today wishes to re-establish the ancient grandeur of the old order in the light of which he basks for he is a child of that culture. The Hindus contemptuously dismiss historic factuality and instead cling to self created myths and legends. The nostalgia for a mythical past acts as a distorting mirror.

They strongly believe that Mahabharata extended over an area from including eastern Iran and Afghanistan to Tibetan landmass to Burma in east and up to Indonesia; that India had always been a united country ruled by great Aryan Kings till the invaders from the northwest came and destroyed this unity. They seek to reclaim and reunite all lost territories and emerge once again as a great ‘Mahabharata’. They refuse to admit the historical fact that India was never a united country under Hindu rulers. Emperor Aurangzeb Alamgir and later on the British had united India during their respective rules.

India?s military leaders are far detached from reality | Asian Tribune

therefore indian army claims Tibet and Xinjiang as integral parts of india.

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the author is indian army Brigadier Man Mohan Sharma and the title of the book is Sate of the Army.
 
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I am just trying to imagine how the PRC flag will look when its red color will be replaced by saffron color. just imagine five yellow stars on a saffron colored flag.

can any body tell me if a Chinese becomes a Hindu, will he be regarded as a Brahman or an untouchable dalit/shudra? let me remind you that without having a caste identity no body can become a Hindu. you can't belong to the Hindu community, if you don't have a caste identity which will be reflected by your new Hindu surname. best of luck CPC! :cheers:

why are you obsessed with hindus? s* hinduism killed 0 chinese while christianity killed 20 million.
 
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I am just trying to imagine how the PRC flag will look when its red color will be replaced by saffron color. just imagine five yellow stars on a saffron colored flag.

can any body tell me if a Chinese becomes a Hindu, will he be regarded as a Brahman or an untouchable dalit/shudra? let me remind you that without having a caste identity no body can become a Hindu. you can't belong to the Hindu community, if you don't have a caste identity which will be reflected by your new Hindu surname. best of luck CPC! :cheers:

There is no formal process to convert to Hinduism and no you won't have to a member of the caste system.
 
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why are you obsessed with hindus? s* hinduism killed 0 chinese while christianity killed 20 million.

hinduism is a unenlightened religon, full of s*pid nonsense, buddhism is far more clever and superior to hinduism. the extinction of buddhism in indian actually was a tragedy. however ,hindusim seems abviously more suitable to indians.
 
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hinduism is a unenlightened religon, full of s*pid nonsense, buddhism is far more clever and superior to hinduism. the extinction of buddhism in indian actually was a tragedy. however ,hindusim seems abviously more suitable to indians.

no religion is better or greater than other realigions. all religions need to bee respected. each religion has its flaws but doesnt mean religion is bad.

we people have a habit of attaching too much importance to religion. "karma" is more important than "dharma".
 
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hinduism is a unenlightened religon, full of s*pid nonsense, buddhism is far more clever and superior to hinduism

his knowledge is very limited. I don't argue with ignorant people. useless. let him become hindu, only then he will understand.

by the way, he said he believes that hindus never killed Chinese. he is like the Chinese king 'Dhautamulaka' (as Hindus used to call him) who killed his own people to appease hindus.

the problem is that the CPC never allows Chinese people to learn what happened in the past.

China in the Mah?bh?rata - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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hinduism is a unenlightened religon, full of s*pid nonsense, buddhism is far more clever and superior to hinduism. the extinction of buddhism in indian actually was a tragedy. however ,hindusim seems abviously more suitable to indians.
I'd love to argue with you on this subject provided a separate thread is opened. I welcome you to open it if you feel you can post atleast one sensible post.:)
 
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