Yaum ul Quds !!

[FaujHistorian]

Palestinians were given half and Israelis were given half in 1948.

Palestinians on behest of Arab nationalists, refused to accept their half. As they wanted all of it.

Obviously it didn't work.

Jinnah never supported militancy and lawlessness. he was among the few Muslim leaders who opposed Khilafat movement.

So he could never support attacks on Israel either. Too bad he didn't live long enough to articulate peaceful solution to the Arab-Israeli problem.

However he did admire Saad Zaghlol Pasha of Egypt for one specific reason. Pasha was very generous with the coptic Christian minority of Egypt. In fact Jinnah is on record in his 1948 interview with NYT reporter, that he would have preferred the same type of deal with Indian Congress. He lamented that INdian Congress was too prejudiced to offer him the similar deal as the one offered by Pasha to Egyptian minority.

Imran Khan as usual is picking up anti-West anti-Israel stance and then destroying Jinnah's image by mis-quoting him. Bad Imran. Very bad.

Peace.

 

[Mosamania]

So if I had said long live china and pak everybody would have been normal
But since I have good thoughts as to pak should improve relations with Israel

I’m branded a supporter of evil Israel????
Israel is not my enemy and in broader senses it’s not the enemy of Pakistan.
Ever heard of two state solution?? That’s only way there will be peace between Palestinians and Israelis

And no I’m not a Cult follower of Imran khan
I’m open minded supporting neither the politicians or fire brand clerics ..


Nothing personal
Peace

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No I actually don’t hate Arabs
Why should we the rest of Muslims suffer just because of some actions by 19 Arabs on 9/11?

In simple terms we should not get bogged down in other people’s affairs just because we share some linguistic cultural values.

peace

Then why should the entire 350 Million population of Arabs suffer for the acts of 19 out of them?

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Palestinians were given half and Israelis were given half in 1948.

Palestinians on behest of Arab nationalists, refused to accept their half. As they wanted all of it.

Obviously it didn't work.

Jinnah never supported militancy and lawlessness. he was among the few Muslim leaders who opposed Khilafat movement.

So he could never support attacks on Israel either. Too bad he didn't live long enough to articulate peaceful solution to the Arab-Israeli problem.

However he did admire Saad Zaghlol Pasha of Egypt for one specific reason. Pasha was very generous with the coptic Christian minority of Egypt. In fact Jinnah is on record in his 1948 interview with NYT reporter, that he would have preferred the same type of deal with Indian Congress. He lamented that INdian Congress was too prejudiced to offer him the similar deal as the one offered by Pasha to Egyptian minority.

Imran Khan as usual is picking up anti-West anti-Israel stance and then destroying Jinnah's image by mis-quoting him. Bad Imran. Very bad.

Peace.

The thing who had the right to give Israel or Palastinians anything?? The Palastinian people belonged to this land before the Jews came and over flooded them. Why should they give up the rights of their homes because a third party says so?? If you have a whole thing and then someone comes from the street and take from you and then rip it into two pieces and only give you half of this thing...Is this fair??

 

[FaujHistorian]

The thing who had the right to give Israel or Palastinians anything?? ...

Who had the right? ha!

So simple, so innocent, and so juvenile question.

Well!

That's a question only an unbiased historian can answer

Who had the right? The same entities who demarcated the borders of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Iran, Pakistan, India, China, Europe, America, Canada, ..........

The whole world!

Get it?

The whole world.

You may have issues that a border should have been drawn few miles here or 20 miles there, but the modern borders were drawn for the first time in history thanks to 20th century surveying and map making techniques.

Fast forward to 2011, the borders are drawn up and people should accept them (including Pakistan that it should accept the Kashmir border and move on).

peace.

 

[Mosamania]

Who had the right? ha!

So simple, so innocent, and so juvenile question.

Well!

That's a question only an unbiased historian can answer

Who had the right? The same entities who demarcated the borders of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Iran, Pakistan, India, China, Europe, America, Canada, ..........

The whole world!

Get it?

The whole world.

You may have issues that a border should have been drawn few miles here or 20 miles there, but the modern borders were drawn for the first time in history thanks to 20th century surveying and map making techniques.

Fast forward to 2011, the borders are drawn up and people should accept them (including Pakistan that it should accept the Kashmir border and move on).

peace.

And yet you claim you are "unbiased" Only when two countries accept that these are our borders and we should regulate them where they would mean anything. But when out of the blue someone comes and gives your entire land to a foreign people. That's when borders mean nothing. This is not a fight over "20 miles here and 20 miles there".

But then again a self proclaimed "neutral historian" wouldn't understand.

 

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

why did the arabs revolt against ottomans in ww1 and side with britain? i think israel would be muslim now if arabs didn't revolt

 

[DADU]

Then why should the entire 350 Million population of Arabs suffer for the acts of 19 out of them?

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The thing who had the right to give Israel or Palastinians anything?? The Palastinian people belonged to this land before the Jews came and over flooded them. Why should they give up the rights of their homes because a third party says so?? If you have a whole thing and then someone comes from the street and take from you and then rip it into two pieces and only give you half of this thing...Is this fair??

It was Arab governments alongside USA that radicalised these individuals in the 1980s in hopes of a jihad in Afghanistan. When soviets withdrew from Afghanistan Pakistan stopped supporting the Arabs and deported them to Afghanistan because they were dangerous people.

Furthermore the Arab governments did not monitor their movements when soviets withdrew from Afghanistan thus thousands went to Bosnia and Chechnya to commit crimes against humanity
Failure to control those elements have led to such actions by the Arabs of 9/11.

And yet you claim you are "unbiased" Only when two countries accept that these are our borders and we should regulate them where they would mean anything. But when out of the blue someone comes and gives your entire land to a foreign people. That's when borders mean nothing. This is not a fight over "20 miles here and 20 miles there".

But then again a self proclaimed "neutral historian" wouldn't understand.

The Arabs should have accepted the plan put forward by the UN in 1948!
Instead they attacked the new country of Israel

“Foreign people”???? The Jews have been living in the holy land just as long as the Arabs.
In fact during the times of Moses the Jews left Egypt and moved to Israel alongside original inhabitants of that land.

You do accept that Arabs are of Semitic origin before Islam????????

Lol the jews were spread out throughout Arabia even Yemen was nearly 100% Jewish before the arrival of Islam.

And if you want to go back it was the Arabs who revolted against the Ottoman Empire and gave the authority for the British to rule Transjordan and Palestine.
As a result the Palestinians are suffering from the actions of the Arabs of 1918 and 1948 TODAY.

The only reasonable thing today the arabs can agree to is a two state solution by peaceful means.....

Cheers

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Assalam alaikum

that was their biggest mistake and now they pay for it, but they say ottaman khilafah at the end it didnot take care of other lands ( arab areas ) and some discrimination. Intersting fact shareef makkah his grand grand son once told us that this guy made big mistake when he listened to brits

TARIQ

 

[DADU]

why did the arabs revolt against ottomans in ww1 and side with britain? i think israel would be muslim now if arabs didn't revolt

IT all comes down to trust sir
May God bless Israel and Palestine as soon to be peaceful neighbours (hopefully)

Inshallah
Peace

 

[Mosamania]

It was Arab governments alongside USA that radicalised these individuals in the 1980s in hopes of a jihad in Afghanistan. When soviets withdrew from Afghanistan Pakistan stopped supporting the Arabs and deported them to Afghanistan because they were dangerous people.

Furthermore the Arab governments did not monitor their movements when soviets withdrew from Afghanistan thus thousands went to Bosnia and Chechnya to commit crimes against humanity
Failure to control those elements have led to such actions by the Arabs of 9/11.

Wow dude firstthis is not a reply to what I said AT ALL.

The Arabs should have accepted the plan put forward by the UN in 1948!
Instead they attacked the new country of Israel

“Foreign people”???? The Jews have been living in the holy land just as long as the Arabs.
In fact during the times of Moses the Jews left Egypt and moved to Israel alongside original inhabitants of that land.

You do accept that Arabs are of Semitic origin before Islam????????

Lol the jews were spread out throughout Arabia even Yemen was nearly 100% Jewish before the arrival of Islam.

And if you want to go back it was the Arabs who revolted against the Ottoman Empire and gave the authority for the British to rule Transjordan and Palestine.
As a result the Palestinians are suffering from the actions of the Arabs of 1918 and 1948 TODAY.

The only reasonable thing today the arabs can agree to is a two state solution by peaceful means.....

Cheers

Why would the Arabs accept the Plan to move all the Jews of Europe to Palastine?? and yes DADU they came from Europe FYI.

Jews were a minority before they started escaping world war 2 and the Coalition was actively deporting them to Palastine. They over flooded the country and then revolted and a civil war broke out between the Arab of Palastine and the Jews there and this is before any single non-Palastinian Arab set foot in Palastine. They were massacring the Palastinians to get them to leave their land and this where the refugee's problem lie. And Yemen was nearly 100% Jewish before Islam???(a serious history lesson here is needed).

And here another free history lesson for you. The Hashmite kingdom of Hijaz was promised by the very famous (Lawrence of Arabia) that he would hold the entire Hijaz alongside all of Sham (Sham countries today are Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Palastine) So he got greedy and set forth in his conquest and when he reached Jordan King Abdulaziz have conquered Makkah while he was not around. So only Jordan was the one who betrayed them the rest of the countries got their independence from the colonial powers that divided these countries between them either through peaceful or armed means.

 

[Pakistanisage]

I think you guys need to cut out this bulls***. May Allah swt curse the nation of Israel for the terror they have spread and the injustices of 6 decades. Even here in USA some of our fellow Americans are waking up to the reality of this evil country and how they control our politicians through money. Israel is Pakistan's worst enemy and anyone who cannot see that is in denial. This kind of mentality comes from " BURGER KIDS " who spent a couple of years in the West and think they know everything. I am a Pakistani- American who has lived in the West for almost 40 years and I know the reality of these evil ZIONISTS quite well. Arabs are our Brothers and anyone who attacks our brothers attacks us.

Wake up to the reality and get your heads out of sand.

 

[Mosamania]

I think you guys need to cut out this bulls***. May Allah swt curse the nation of Israel for the terror they have spread and the injustices of 6 decades. Even here in USA some of our fellow Americans are waking up to the reality of this evil country and how they control our politicians through money. Israel is Pakistan's worst enemy and anyone who cannot see that is in denial. This kind of mentality comes from " BURGER KIDS " who spent a couple of years in the West and think they know everything. I am a Pakistani- American who has lived in the West for almost 40 years and I know the reality of these evil ZIONISTS quite well. Arabs are our Brothers and anyone who attacks our brothers attacks us.

Wake up to the reality and get your heads out of sand.

People like me put faith back into my heart that there is still hope for humanity left.

These people who want to cut all ties with the "Evil Arabs" especially at a time like this will find themselves alone soon...Very very soon.

 

[FaujHistorian]

.....colonial powers that divided these countries between them either through peaceful or armed means.

That's true. Colonial powers drew the borders for pretty much every country in the world. In fact they drew the borders in Europe too.

If Saudis are happy with their borders, Iraqis are OK, Kuwaitis are OK with their borders then Israel should have the same rights.

After their country is formed, they can decide who should be their citizen or not. All other countries have that choice, then why should we deny the same to Israel?


peace

 

[DADU]

I think you guys need to cut out this bulls***. May Allah swt curse the nation of Israel for the terror they have spread and the injustices of 6 decades. Even here in USA some of our fellow Americans are waking up to the reality of this evil country and how they control our politicians through money. Israel is Pakistan's worst enemy and anyone who cannot see that is in denial. This kind of mentality comes from " BURGER KIDS " who spent a couple of years in the West and think they know everything. I am a Pakistani- American who has lived in the West for almost 40 years and I know the reality of these evil ZIONISTS quite well. Arabs are our Brothers and anyone who attacks our brothers attacks us.

Wake up to the reality and get your heads out of sand.

HEY COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, ISRAEL IS INDEED PAKISTAN’S WORST ENEMY!!!!!!!

LET US ALL GET READY TO LIBERATE PALESTINE WHEN THE SUPPOSED HOLY WAR TAKES PLACE
ANYTHING ELSE WE SHOULD WATCH OUT FOR GRAND AYATOLLAH SAHIB????????????

 

[Mosamania]

That's true. Colonial powers drew the borders for pretty much every country in the world. In fact they drew the borders in Europe too.

If Saudis are happy with their borders, Iraqis are OK, Kuwaitis are OK with their borders then Israel should have the same rights.

After their country is formed, they can decide who should be their citizen or not. All other countries have that choice, then why should we deny the same to Israel?


peace

Kicking people outside their homes wither the entire world or no one agrees with this is wrong. Israel having most of the world's backing does not make it right for it to just come and become some sort of a western proxy crusade.

What you are saying is basically giving the current world's super powers the right to do whatever the hell they want and we have nothing to do but shut up and say "yes master" and just live being a step down from the food chain. We will not succumb to this just to "Make our lives better by gaining access to technologies or left sanctions from us etc." This is why it is called a fight, and this is why it is called a struggle. We will not let the Super powers of the world control every aspect of our life so what you are suggesting Historian is to "bow down and admit defeat" something we will not do as long as we have a breath left in us.

 

[FaujHistorian]

....These people who want to cut all ties with the "Evil Arabs" especially at a time like this will find themselves alone soon...Very very soon.

This is an extremist statement.

Noone has said "Evil" and no one has talked about cutting ties.

The only thing being proposed here is that Pakistan should not put its nose and its behind in the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Is it too difficult to understand?

Every culture in the world even the tree dweller tribals can teach us something.

However the progress in Pakistan will not come if we keep on following like slaves, the tree dweller tribals.

Progress only comes when you follow people who are more advanced in human values, in science, and in literature and arts.

I hope you understand.

peace.