Xinjiang Province: News & Discussions

[Rasengan]

why not, this kind of religious fanaticism/terror is a threat to both India and China.

Because this event has nothing to do with India. None of the Uighur terrorists are supported by Pakistan and the problem is based on socio-economic differences between the Han and Uighur. If this was a Muslim problem then the Hui should also take up arms...however this is not the case.

 

[waz]

I do have to give it to the Indian trolls trying their upmost to make the connection with Pakistan, which will somehow in their wildest fantasies cause an avalanche of Chinese opinion to swing their way and end the strategic alliance between the two. Things are not just that easy folks .
I did like those Making outlandish BS claims that the current attack has something to do with Pakistan, you would have thought they would have used something more potent than kitchen knives right? Why would there be any support for scum like this who have joined the Pakistani Taliban and slaughtered Pakistani men, women and children? You really haven't thought his one through have you?

The thread will be watched carefully now.

 

[jamahir]

Why would I say otherwise. Did you not notice how I supported the BISP program in Pakistan as sterling example of how well Pakistan is doing to repudiate the failed rubbish despite allegations of fraud etc....

Pakistan Failed state?

umm... bisp is a actual welfare program, rare in the subcontinent, though it must be enhanced as the amounts are too low... and it must be supported by a wider welfare/socialist system.

but good to know another committed socialist on pdf... just a few days ago, i got to know of the vietnamese socialist member, yorozuya.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

why not, this kind of religious fanaticism/terror is a threat to both India and China.

Son, the only threat you need to worry about in India is being drowned in your own crap .....

umm... bisp is a actual welfare program, rare in the subcontinent, though it must be enhanced as the amounts are too low... and it must be supported by a wider welfare/socialist system.

but good to know another committed socialist on pdf... just a few days ago, i got to know of the vietnamese socialist member, yorozuya.

Rs1,500 as support supplement is not low. It is low to you and me but to the very poor it puts food on the table. Estimates are that is enough flour for 6 member family for a month
. Not bad in our part of the world ...

Don't forget it is a supplement and now covers bottom 20% of the population. I don't think any other South Asian country has anything as extensive as this ...

Benazir Income Support Programme

Furthermore payment goes to female head of household via BISP debit card assuring accuracy of delivery ...

Ps. Sorry for being off topic.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

What impression a common Chinese has about pak?

The general impression of Chinese about Pakistan is better than India...am I answereing your question?

 

[huzihaidao12]

China First Pakistan First


China First Muslim First

The above sums up the reality and our Chinese members know this. Next few decades is going to be interesting. I know which group in Pakistan the Chinese will support - secularists ....

If I make a suggestion for the Chinese Government,I would say,we have developed a good relationship and Pakistan all factions,meanwhile,remained neutral.On the surface,at least,not to touch politics and religion.Under the surface,that's our job,in along term,to do our job--to promote change in Pakistan,through the development of a modern economy of Pakistan(the manufacturing economy),this time,Pakistan's Muslim community will become more and more adapted to the modern or industrial society,looking to the long term,to build the Canal first ,then to in corporate water.

For a country like Pakistan,for a Muslim society like Pakistan,could not be rushed, the work is more important than debate,I'm sure.

 

[waz]

The general impression of Chinese about Pakistan is better than India...am I answereing your question?

I've been several times to the Chinese mainland, and even though I'm a third generation expat from England, when they found out I was Pakistani in origin I was shocked at the level of friendship and affection they showed me.

 

[Jlaw]

the problem I see with this is that you don't get the brightest guys admitted. A potential average Uighur taking a place over an intelligent Han Chinese can only mean one thing. China will not catch up or surpass the west if she intend to continue to practice Chinese affirmative action.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

If I make a suggestion for the Chinese Government,I would say,we have developed a good relationship and Pakistan all factions,meanwhile,remained neutral.On the surface,at least,not to touch politics and religion.Under the surface,that's our job,in along term,to do our job--to promote change in Pakistan,through the development of a modern economy of Pakistan(the manufacturing economy),this time,Pakistan's Muslim community will become more and more adapted to the modern or industrial society,looking to the long term,to build the Canal first ,then to in corporate water.

For a country like Pakistan,for a Muslim society like Pakistan,could not be rushed, the work is more important than debate,I'm sure.

Thank you. I knew we can depend on the Chinese to handle this situation with a considered, just and thought out way.

What I would ask is China supports the secularist in Pakistan in the long term it will be better for China and Pakistan ...

Togather I trust we will overcome this problem ....

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

why not, this kind of religious fanaticism/terror is a threat to both India and China.

My advise to you Indians, if there is any religious fanaticism/terror on your soil, try to keep the anger/fustration for yourself...don't ever try to export your trouble/problem to us, you will never earn our sympathy or Pity. And probably because you Indians seen that we don't react or get our attention, so you guys want to dragg our Pakistanis friends in to so religious issues, hope to drive a wedge between us and altimately expect we Chinese will cooperate with India to deal with same issue or more explicitely gang up against Pakistan...it's not gonna work that way.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Thank you. I knew we can depend on the Chinese to handle this situation with a considered, just and thought out way.

What I would ask is China supports the secularist in Pakistan in the long term it will be better for China and Pakistan ...

Togather I trust we will overcome this problem ....

The key is how do you understand this"secular"? Our view is,secularism=to promote Muslim society (very close together under a old system) to adapt to the industrial society(a completely new system),from this point of view, to support secular parties cannot be equated to supporting secularism, I'm afraid, it is more complex than most Pakistani secularists think.

A question, if you must make a choice between Turkey secular parties and Iran theology , you think who can better represent the "secularism" in the past 30 years?

 

[AndrewJin]

50!? Then I could enter Peking University if i were them.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The key is how do you understand this"secular"? Our view is,secularism=to promote Muslim society (and very close together under a old system) to adapt to the industrial society(a completely new system),from this point of view, to support secular parties cannot be equated to supporting secularism, I'm afraid, it is more complex than most Pakistani secularists think..

The situation in Pakistan is more nuanced then that applicable in Sinkiang-Uighur. We have dozen brands all claiming that they are 'Muslim' and what they uphold is 'Islam'. So sure are these bigots that they will kill others who do not subscribe to their brand of Islam. Thus we have dozens of brands killing and fighting each other. All the brands just follow their own interpretation and will challange ( kill ) each other and challange the ( state ) by fighting it.

Thus for us the problem is already intractable. You in China have every mosque mullah answering and subject to central control. Our mullah espouse what they want to. tommorow one could ask his followrs to go against China. Another one might ak his followes to kill shia and it goes on and non. Thus we have chaos.

I give you one example. The Lal Masjid incident in our capital city. The mullah and his supporters kidnnaped Chinese citizens. After lot of negotiation the government attacked. To cut a long story the Mullah who was responsible is still alive, still teraching the same poison and he has got rewarded with a new mosque. I do not think China would have handled this matter this way if this was in Beijang or Kashgar.

Siege of Lal Masjid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because we do not have one brand called Islam we have dozens. All are so sure that their brand is Islam and allah is behind them that they will be prepared to kill each other. Thus in this situation of dozens of fractured brands nobody can agree on one brand or one interpretation of Islam the only sensible thing left for the state is to untangle itself from this mess of rivalries and become a neutral third party that instead concentrates on law and order without taking any sides in the conflict of brands. That is what I mean secularism. I don't mean ban or get rid of Islam. I mean the state lets all keep their brans but do not impose any versions on the rest or take sides. It becomes a independant prefect above all the petty arguments which have been going on since 1,000 years and will go on for another 1,000 years ...

 

[huzihaidao12]

The situation in Pakistan is more nuanced then that applicable in Sinkiang-Uighur. We have dozen brands all claiming that they are 'Muslim' and what they uphold is 'Islam'. So sure are these bigots that they will kill others who do not subscribe to their brand of Islam. Thus we have dozens of brands killing and fighting each other. All the brands just follow their own interpretation and will challange ( kill ) each other and challange the ( state ) by fighting it.

Thus for us the problem is already intractable. You in China have every mosque mullah answering and subject to central control. Our mullah espouse what they want to. tommorow one could ask his followrs to go against China. Another one might ak his followes to kill shia and it goes on and non. Thus we have chaos.

I give you one example. The Lal Masjid incident in our capital city. The mullah and his supporters kidnnaped Chinese citizens. After lot of negotiation the government attacked. To cut a long story the Mullah who was responsible is still alive, still teraching the same poison and he has got rewarded with a new mosque. I do not think China would have handled this matter this way if this was in Beijang or Kashgar.

Siege of Lal Masjid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because we do not have one brand called Islam we have dozens. All are so sure that their brand is Islam and allah is behind them that they will be prepared to kill each other. Thus in this situation of dozens of fractured brands nobody can agree on one brand or one interpretation of Islam the only sensible thing left for the state is to untangle itself from this mess of rivalries and become a neutral third party that instead concentrates on law and order without taking any sides in the conflict of brands. That is what I mean secularism. I don't mean ban or get rid of Islam. I mean the state lets all keep their brans but do not impose any versions on the rest or take sides. It becomes a independant prefect above all the petty arguments which have been going on since 1,000 years and will go on for another 1,000 years ...

So , like I said,for a country like Pakistan,for a Muslim society like Pakistan,it is impossible to jump the gun,I think China definitely don't want to get into a hole,those issues will in creasingly weaken or disappear in the Pakistani society in the process of industrialization and modernization,blindly accused wil lonly intensify social conflicts in Pakistan.

My advice,be patient and do our work,and this time don'twaste opportunity(our strategic cooperation).

 

[sicsheep]

this is what they do, this is why they get shot, it is worth for me getting banned.