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Dude...Spot on...I am in same page with you...That is what exactly i am trying to say with last couple of posts in this topic..When i am asking about Tibet and other province, my intention is that no one is perfect...So why to point finger on each others...We have out issues with our society itself...India is worlds one of most of diverse nation on this earth...So we are a evolving society and we will keep on evolving ....Again, we accept our deficiency and try to improve...But our acceptance of our inefficiency and improvement should not be used by others as to show low to us...Because no one is perfect in this imperfect world..It is just a matter of who has intent to keep on improving ...
I have to say that some indian show their arrogance and ignorance in this thread, they said something provoked chinese netizens,leave sb. feeling that is only key point in the thread .
 
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Lets pretend that Buddhism came from India, that still means nothing. Jesus came from Israel, does it mean that we in Europe owe Israel anything? What a stupid argument.

How did you miss the part of post I was responding to where the poster said Indians were introduced to Buddhism by the British? It's right there as part of my post. Why would you even go off on your rant without reading that? What does that guy not knowing the basics of history have to do with Europeans owing Israel something?? For God's sake, read before posting idiotic responses.
 
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Dude...Spot on...I am in same page with you...That is what exactly i am trying to say with last couple of posts in this topic..When i am asking about Tibet and other province, my intention is that no one is perfect...So why to point finger on each others...We have out issues with our society itself...India is worlds one of most of diverse nation on this earth...So we are a evolving society and we will keep on evolving ....Again, we accept our deficiency and try to improve...But our acceptance of our inefficiency and improvement should not be used by others as to show low to us...Because no one is perfect in this imperfect world..It is just a matter of who has intent to keep on improving ...
It was indians who said they want Tibet, and indicated that we treated Tibetans badly. We never say we want Sikkim or Arsaam. It simply never occur to any Chinese to take a land of another race.
Actually, your racial and ethnic and linguistic diversity is just an indication to your greed and aggressive ness. you took many lands that belong to another people, or even another race.
 
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If you go by newspaper..then Tibet and Xinxiang are not willing to be a part of China's occupation..So do you like to respect wish of the people?
Let me answer this question again. I'll talk some sense into this Indian.
How do you know they are not willing to be a part of China?
Actually, the Tibetan peasants welcome the Communists who liberated them from serfdom. Tibetan serfs had been living a life worse than Han peasants. They are far better now than they were before. It's simply that the media you are exposed to won't tell you this.
Personally I don't agree with the way Chicom carried out the revolution, but it is our inner affairs, which no foreigners are allowed to point fingers at. Since you've already done that, then we will do what you did and point out that there are more peoples in India who don't want to be part of Indian's occupation, because the separatist movements in India are much more active, they occur not only in the states of NE, but also in states like TN, AP.
 
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Tibet is Indian territory.

India is Tibet, Tibet is India. China civilization is restricted to just eastern coast, which Indian spiritual thoughts Buddhism a spin of Dharmic religion of India dominated for more than 2 millennia. Hence a lot less evolved civilization akin to Barbaric Arabic cult practices of Islam although more advanced.
The Indians, have a look, how ugly you, slaughter Manipuri
The world should look at how the Indian genocide.!!
The India massacre in Northeast native of Mongolid race!


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Independent and welcome to join China
 
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It was indians who said they want Tibet, and indicated that we treated Tibetans badly. We never say we want Sikkim or Arsaam. It simply never occur to any Chinese to take a land of another race.
Actually, your racial and ethnic and linguistic diversity is just an indication to your greed and aggressive ness. you took many lands that belong to another people, or even another race.

I agree with your observation that one of my Indian friend started talking about about Tibet....But again, India is a concept and nation with diversity..It is an aspiration society and a nation who thrives based on diversity and we are proud of it.....I do not agree with your perception about greedy or not...Because there can be reason to say that same thing for China with respect to Tibet...
You define your mindset that race should determine the boundary of a nation...But i do not agree to this concept..Because that notion may be suitable to you but it is not necessary that every one follow the same mindset...Then we may not have more than 100 countries in this world...But each country may not be with different race...

Let me answer this question again. I'll talk some sense into this Indian.
How do you know they are not willing to be a part of China?
Actually, the Tibetan peasants welcome the Communists who liberated them from serfdom. Tibetan serfs had been living a life worse than Han peasants. They are far better now than they were before. It's simply that the media you are exposed to won't tell you this.
Personally I don't agree with the way Chicom carried out the revolution, but it is our inner affairs, which no foreigners are allowed to point fingers at. Since you've already done that, then we will do what you did and point out that there are more peoples in India who don't want to be part of Indian's occupation, because the separatist movements in India are much more active, they occur not only in the states of NE, but also in states like TN, AP.

Again, i can say the same thing to you as you said to me...How do you think that many people in India would like to become separate....How closely integrated with Indian society in India itself...If my judgement about India is not acceptable to you then how come your judgement is valid when you also create impression based on media...At least our society is open and transparent and media is open for all...The same thing does not happen in China..You even control your internet and media access for your people...How do you know that whatever you understand about India or domestic news are valid when you do not even have access to open information about own nation?....
 
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I agree with your observation that one of my Indian friend started talking about about Tibet....But again, India is a concept and nation with diversity..It is an aspiration society and a nation who thrives based on diversity and we are proud of it.....I do not agree with your perception about greedy or not...Because there can be reason to say that same thing for China with respect to Tibet...
You define your mindset that race should determine the boundary of a nation...But i do not agree to this concept..Because that notion may be suitable to you but it is not necessary that every one follow the same mindset...Then we may not have more than 100 countries in this world...But each country may not be with different race...



Again, i can say the same thing to you as you said to me...How do you think that many people in India would like to become separate....How closely integrated with Indian society in India itself...If my judgement about India is not acceptable to you then how come your judgement is valid when you also create impression based on media...At least our society is open and transparent and media is open for all...The same thing does not happen in China..You even control your internet and media access for your people...How do you know that whatever you understand about India or domestic news are valid when you do not even have access to open information about own nation?....
Keep this in mind: it was your Indian countryfellow that violated what should be observed, by aaccusing other countries. So we did the same. We are not interested in your internal affairs if you had not done that.
About your diversity, I want to say you will not thrive on it but lag behind because of it. Diversity means difference, difference causes division. A country can not rise up if it is always in quarrel with each other. That is why you are lagging behind.
About internet restrictions, i will say it's more of a economic move. And we benefit from it. So we have Baidu, QQ, Weibo, alibaba...in other aspects we are open as good as, if not more than you.
 
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Besides, every country has some form of media control. Some has been doing it secretly like.....uncle sam.
 
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"Media open for all"?
Lol, according to Transparency International, India is not more open or transparent than china . India ranked lower, more close to North Korea.
 
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Let me answer this question again. I'll talk some sense into this Indian.
How do you know they are not willing to be a part of China?
Actually, the Tibetan peasants welcome the Communists who liberated them from serfdom. Tibetan serfs had been living a life worse than Han peasants. They are far better now than they were before. It's simply that the media you are exposed to won't tell you this.
Personally I don't agree with the way Chicom carried out the revolution, but it is our inner affairs, which no foreigners are allowed to point fingers at. Since you've already done that, then we will do what you did and point out that there are more peoples in India who don't want to be part of Indian's occupation, because the separatist movements in India are much more active, they occur not only in the states of NE, but also in states like TN, AP.

Keep this in mind: it was your Indian countryfellow that violated what should be observed, by aaccusing other countries. So we did the same. We are not interested in your internal affairs if you had not done that.
About your diversity, I want to say you will not thrive on it but lag behind because of it. Diversity means difference, difference causes division. A country can not rise up if it is always in quarrel with each other. That is why you are lagging behind.
About internet restrictions, i will say it's more of a economic move. And we benefit from it. So we have Baidu, QQ, Weibo, alibaba...in other aspects we are open as good as, if not more than you.

"Media open for all"?
Lol, according to Transparency International, India is not more open or transparent than china . India ranked lower, more close to North Korea.

Excellent points, sirs! Thanks for an all-around education.
 
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It's strange that the western medias put too many concerns on Tibet human right issues. Yet seems they don't care much worse human right tragedies in India. Thank God Tibet is controlled by China, not by India. It's a pure blessing for Tibetans.

Well even though i agree with you, i must say you have to understand geo politics. China at present is trying to challenge our position, and in a decade or two from now is the most likely country to challeneg the U.S/west in power/influence/dominance, so you expect us to just sit and watch ? of course we will look for ways to limit/delay/stop that from happening. As i said several times before, an established power will always try and undermine the upcoming one in every way possible irregardless of the country be it China, India, Turkey, Mexico, Russia etc doesnt matter.

In this case India is still not powerful/strong enough for us to start undermining her growth, but whe it does become(i believe it will with time if everything goes well for her) then we and our media will not hesitate to start undermining her the same way we do with China and to some extent Russia today. India has still not choosen which side it wants to be in future, so we still give it the benefit of the doubt. I dont find anything wrong with that, call it hypocrisy or whatever you want, but this is how countries should behave to protect their interests and maintain their position. So for now expect our media to turn a blind eye to their own attrocities or whatever towards their restless region(whether its worse than China or not), but the day India will grow too big/powerful and if it chooses to side against us then things will turn ugly for her as well. But for now nothing much will happen.:p:
 
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An anti-terrorism force including public security police and the armed police attend an
anti-terrorism joint exercise in China's restive Xinjiang region. Photo: AFP


A new English-language magazine released by al-Qaeda describes China’s restive Xinjiang region as an “occupied Muslim land” to be “recovered [into] the shade of the Islamic Caliphate”.

Produced by the jihadist organisation’s As-Sahab media wing, the 117-page debut issue of Resurgence includes a feature titled “Did You Know? 10 Facts About East Turkistan,” referring to the name for Xinjiang used by those who advocate independence from China.


While much of the article is inaccurate – it claims, for example, that teaching the Quran is illegal in China (Islam is one of the country’s five recognised official religions) – it shows how China’s actions in the region, such as encouraging the migration of Han Chinese into Xinjiang and restricting religious dress, are being used by jihadist organisations to confirm their belief that Muslims are under threat.

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“Did You Know? 10 Facts About East Turkistan", in al-Qaeda's Resurgence magazine,
claims that China carries out ethnic cleansing against Muslims.


Al-Qaeda is not the only jihadist organisation which has expressed an interest in the situation of Muslims in Xinjiang. In July, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the self-styled caliph of the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, spoke of Muslim rights being “forcibly seized” in China in a call for Muslims around the world to pledge allegiance to him.

“Your brothers all over the world are waiting for your rescue, and are anticipating your brigades,” Baghdadi told his followers.

“In recent years [jihadist organisations] have expressed an interest in the alleged oppression of Xinjiang Uygurs by the Han Chinese,” Ahmed Hashim, a terrorism expert and associate international studies professor at Singapore’s Nanyang Technological University, told the South China Morning Post. “China is being seen as an oppressive power as it grows in strength.

The contact between Uygur separatists and jihadists has been rather limited but is increasingly facilitated by Uzbek jihadists in recent years in remote regions of Pakistan,” he said.

China has long maintained that separatist groups in Xinjiang have links to foreign jihadist organisations. After the September 11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, Beijing lobbied for the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) to be placed on the United States’ terrorist watch list.


Paramilitary policemen with shields and batons patrol near the People's Square in Urumqi,
Xinjiang region. Photo: AP


ETIM – which experts say is more of an umbrella term used by the Chinese government for a number of different groups, including the Turkestan Islamic Party (TIP), than an actual cohesive organisation – has been accused by Beijing of involvement in a number of terrorist incidents in recent years, including the Kunming Railway Station massacre in March which left 31 people dead and injured 141.

While leaders of TIP, believed to be based in Pakistan’s lawless tribal region, have voiced support and even claimed credit for some attacks in China, some have questioned the group’s ability to carry out terrorist plots thousands of kilometres away.

The influence of foreign jihadist organisations on events in Xinjiang has also been questioned. While al-Qaeda and Islamic State have begun using the situation there in their propaganda, experts argue that the roots of the unrest ultimately lie in China’s policies in the region.

“Identifying external ‘provocations’ remains important to the narrative about Uygurs perpetuated by the Chinese state,” Sean Roberts, director of international development studies at George Washington University’s Elliott School of International Affairs, told Vice News last month.

Beijing, Roberts argues, believes its policies are “gracious and generous to the Uygurs and immune to criticism. Thus, if Uygurs are resisting the Chinese state, it must be due to external forces seeking to destabilise what is harmonious and prosperous.”

When the approach taken by the Chinese government is a total clampdown then people will go in more extreme directions, that’s a natural response and we’ve seen it in a number of other situations, Raffaello Pantucci, a senior research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute focusing on counter-terrorism and radicalisation, told the Post.

“Historically though, extremist Uygur groups have never been able to get the global [jihadi] movement to do much more than talk about their problems,” he said. “There’s a lot of rhetoric but it doesn’t translate into action.”

“The Chinese government has a tendency to say that any incident that takes place in China is affiliated to a foreign group, but it rarely goes into the particulars of who is behind and directing these plots," Pantucci added.


Policemen from the SWAT team practice during a drill in Urumqi, Xinjiang region.
Photo: Reuters


China’s ongoing security crackdown in Xinjiang has forced the most militant Uygur separatists into volatile neighbouring countries, such as Pakistan, where they are forging strategic alliances with, and even leading, jihadist factions affiliated with al-Qaeda and the Taliban,” wrote Philip Potter, an assistant professor of public policy and political science at the University of Michigan, in a paper published earlier this year.

The allure of jihadist organisations – particularly the Islamic State, which has proven itself adept at waging online propaganda and recruitment campaigns – is strong for disillusioned young people in countries all over the world.

The International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation at King’s College London estimates that around 74 nationalities are fighting under the black flag of the “Caliphate”, including more than 500 British militants.

In July, China’s former special envoy to the Middle East, Wu Sike, said that around 100 Chinese citizens are fighting with the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

In an article last month, the state-run Global Times quoted an unnamed “anti-terrorist worker” as saying that Xinjiang militants who joined the Islamic State “not only want to get training in terrorist techniques, but also to expand their connections in international terrorist organisations through actual combat to gain support for escalation of terrorist activities in China.”

Uygur exile groups complain that Beijing already exaggerates the threat posed by terrorism to justify harsh crackdowns in Xinjiang.

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Uighur academic Ilham Tohti sits during his trial on separatism charges in Urumqi,
Xinjiang region. Photo: CCTV


The concern for many observers is that as more and more moderate groups and intellectuals are silenced – such as Ilham Tohti, an economics professor and advocate for Uygur rights who was jailed for life by a Xinjiang court in September – foreign jihadist organisations, acting outside of China and more difficult to control and suppress, become the only option for those frustrated by Beijing’s policies.

In a recently released annual report by the US Congressional-Executive Commission on China – tasked to monitor human rights and legal developments in the country – the authors found that “overly broad security measures and crackdowns, restrictions on peaceful religious activists, and constraints on expressions of Uygur cultural identity have heightened tensions in [Xinjiang]”.

Al-Qaeda magazine calls for Xinjiang to be ‘recovered by the Islamic Caliphate’ | South China Morning Post
 
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This is not ISIS or Al-Qaeda or whatever group the CIA decides to repackage and create next year.

This is a US policy to exploit the weak spots of countries and cause trouble in those weak spots.

China's weak spots are Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Taiwan, South China Sea and Diaoyu Islands.

The US sees China rising and they want to cause as much trouble to China as possible. They are doing the same to Russia using Chechnya, Ukraine, etc.

China allowing Western NGO's inside Chinese territory is one of the biggest mistakes the CPC has ever made.
 
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