Xinjiang Province: News & Discussions

[Wholegrain]

This person is one of the reasons of the violance in eastern turkestan Jin Shuren - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The indigenous name for the Tarim Basin was Moghulistan (land of the Mongols because the Chagatai rulers were descended from Genghis Khan) or Altishahr (which means six cities, after the six most important cities in the Tarim Basin). The ancestors of the modern Uyghurs used these names. Moghulistan was the name since medieval times.

Eastern Turkestan was a name used by foreigners to describe the Tarim Basin, not by the people native to it themselves. Then Uyghur nationalists in the last century adopted the name Eastern Turkestan and got rid of Moghulistan and altishahr.

Xinjiang is also not just the Tarim Basin. The north is known as Dzungharia (land of the Dzunghar Mongols, they are the natives of that area) or Ili. Only the south is the Tarim Basin, aka moghulistan or eastern turkestan.

It was China who created Xinjiang by unifying the two distinct regions into one province in 1884 and renaming the entire unified province as Xinjiang. Before 1884 China administered the north as Tianshan beilu and the south as Tianshan nanlu and only the south was called "eastern turkestan" while the north was called Ili. The north was the Zunghar Khanate while the south was the Chagatai Khanate.

The names for the two individual distinct regions cannot be applied to the entire province. Only northern Xinjiang can be called by the names (Dzungharia, Ili, tianshan beilu), and southern Xinjiang called by the names (tarim basin, Moghulistan, Altishahr, eastern turkestan, little bukhara, tianshan nanlu)

 

[Gold1010]

Tensions in western China - CNN.com Video

 

[Wholegrain]

Tensions in western China - CNN.com Video

The video repeats the mantra of Han flooding into Xinjiang and as usual falsely implies that its on Uyghur land. Uyghurs make up the majority in their homeland in the Tarim Basin (southern Xinjiang) and in Dzungharia (northern Xinjiang) both Uyghur and Han are immigrants and nobody has the right to kick them out. The native Dzunghars are almost extinct and number only in the thousands.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...ics-han-immigration-xinjiang.html#post4457126

 

[Snomannen]

The video repeats the mantra of Han flooding into Xinjiang and as usual falsely implies that its on Uyghur land. Uyghurs make up the majority in their homeland in the Tarim Basin (southern Xinjiang) and in Dzungharia (northern Xinjiang) both Uyghur and Han are immigrants and nobody has the right to kick them out. The native Dzunghars are almost extinct and number only in the thousands.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...ics-han-immigration-xinjiang.html#post4457126

Setting up the [Autonomous Region] was really a bad idea.
Xinjiang is never a region only belong to Uyghur.

 

[Wholegrain]

Setting up the [Autonomous Region] was really a bad idea.
Xinjiang is never a region only belong to Uyghur.

No, I think Xinjiang should have been divided into two regions, first the Soviet imposed name Uyghur should have been replaced with either Karluk or Chagatai, and the Tarim Basin turned into the Xiyu Karluk/Chagatai autonomous region and Dzungharia gets turned into Dzunghar Ili Autonomous region. Xinjiang is bigger than many other ordinary provinces in China and before 1884 the two parts were administered seperately.

 

[ptoss1]

If Ming dynasty reign during the opium war, China could be conquered entirely.

If Ming Dynasty wasn't so busy fending off the Manchu and Mongolians, the Chinese would've still had their goddamn treasure fleet to fend off European encroachment. Bad logic is bad.

 

[northeast]

If Ming Dynasty wasn't so busy fending off the Manchu and Mongolians, the Chinese would've still had their goddamn treasure fleet to fend off European encroachment. Bad logic is bad.

Nah,that's a day dream.ming fleets are for business,not for war.In fact, it's more like Ferrari rather than tanks.It's useless.

 

[Snomannen]

If Ming Dynasty wasn't so busy fending off the Manchu and Mongolians, the Chinese would've still had their goddamn treasure fleet to fend off European encroachment. Bad logic is bad.

Ming Dynasty, one of the worst dynasties of China, was a curse of Chinese people,

 

[FlowerSummer]

Nah,that's a day dream.ming fleets are for business,not for war.In fact, it's more like Ferrari rather than tanks.It's useless.

But the Ming does fend off European encroachment, even during their weakest period.

 

[FlowerSummer]

If Ming Dynasty wasn't so busy fending off the Manchu and Mongolians, the Chinese would've still had their goddamn treasure fleet to fend off European encroachment. Bad logic is bad.

Although I wouldnt go as far as to say treasure fleet is invincible, but at least its a massive ocean going fleet that the Manchu Qing never able to build.

 

[Snomannen]

Although I wouldnt go as far as to say treasure fleet is invincible, but at least its a massive ocean going fleet that the Manchu Qing never able to build.

The whole trade of Ming Dynasty (in its best period) can't even march a port in Qing Dynasty.

 

[FlowerSummer]

Believe me a chinese dinasty wouldnt be so different from the Qing dinasty they would also be ridiculed by foreigners.

The Ming maybe still unable to defeat the foreigners, but at least the emperor will not flee from the capital just to save his own a$$. They will not sell out a huge proportions of the nation's land (size larger than France+Poland) just to beg the foreigners to spare their own lives, and surely wont team up with foreigners to invade china after the emperor has been ovethrown (go check out manchukuo and imperial japan during WW1 till WWll), just so they can grab back on power again.

 

[FlowerSummer]

The whole trade of Ming Dynasty (in its best period) can't even march a port in Qing Dynasty.

And yet Manchu Qing still cant defend their own turf from the British. On the other hand Ming China chase out the Dutch and claim Taiwan, and that was during their weakest period.

Oh, of course they pretty much use up most of their treasury made out of the "trade" you mention to bribe and beg foreigners to spare their lives and let them remain on power

 

[Snomannen]

And yet Manchu Qing still cant defend their own turf from the British. On the other hand Ming China chase out the Dutch and claim Taiwan, and that was during their weakest period.

Oh, of course they pretty much use up most of their treasury made out of the "trade" you mention to bribe and beg foreigners to spare their lives and let them remain on power

The UK was a global Empire, the Qing Dynasty was defeated by one of the greatest countries in the world. Taiwan was claimed by Koxinga, not the Ming dynasty. Besides the Dutch was not even a regular army, they were 'security'. They were defeated because their lack of manpower and used up all the resource in their castle.

Also what if I told you that the Ming navy even asked Portuguese citizens in Macau to deal with those pirates they can't handle with -and those Portuguese had won several wars and scared those pirates away.

而且無論是港口建設，出入口產品以及對外貿易國家數目明朝都無法比得了清朝，
從乾隆２２年到道光１８年，單從廣州一個港口一年的貿易額甚至是明朝最強盛时期的50倍．

Ref:［中國對外貿易史］

唐朝首都被區區吐蕃佔領多次，
南明皇室甚至為了向羅馬求救而受洗，
明朝敗光宋金元的數理化天文學，領土由建國至滅亡一直在縮水，
清朝打敗了西方強敵準噶爾，把整個一直麻煩明朝的蒙古納入版圖，領土從開國以來一直在擴張，為民國留下的是廣大的領土和小量的重工業，結果呢．


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Irresponsible Google translate:

And whether it is port construction, import and export products as well as the number of countries foreign trade than got Qing Ming can not,
Qianlong dynasty from 18 years to 22 years, a single year from Guangzhou, a port of trade and even the most prosperous period of the Ming Dynasty 50 times.


Ref: [China's foreign trade history]

Tibetan capital of the Tang Dynasty was a mere occupation times,
Ming imperial Rome, or even to help and to be baptized,
Song Yuan Ming lost light of physics and chemistry astronomy, from the foundation to the demise of the territory has been shrinking,
Qing Dynasty defeated enemies quasi-Western Junggar, the whole has been incorporated into trouble Ming Dynasty Mongolian territory from the territory has been expanding since the founding, the Republic of leaving a vast territory and a small amount of heavy industry, the results do.
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清朝會比明朝差？我真的不這樣認為．

 

[Kolaps]

Mongolia Zhungeer,Was completely massacred.
How do you think?
This is just tip of the iceberg.
Now in Mongolia,
A lot of people hate "chinese",
They set up Nazi organizations,
In fact, they hate is not "us", but "they."

I read a lot of old paintings,
Our ancestors were very elegant,
Clothing is very beautiful, luxurious,
Modern kimono hanbok still mimic those ancient pattern,

Why, our ancestors in the Qing Dynasty, become ugly, funny,
Ridiculed by foreigners,
I do not believe is voluntary.

And the stupid ROC and PRC government are pointing Cheongsam as Han Chinese official traditional cloth.

Han Chinese today became barbarian after hundreds years under foreigners: Manchu, Christian KMT and Communist CCP. This is really sad.

I think we should restore China as it should be. Seeing how ugly, wrong and inappropriate the rebuilt ancient buildings in mainland, I can see that our standard became so low and cheap. Very embarrassing!

Our high standard, elegant and perfection culture already gone.