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The top down leadership model needs excellent leaders at top level & this is something not present at all countries
While it is a great model if you have excellent leaders like deng,it will be a disastor if you had bad leaders like Mao(in economics) it will be a diastor.In democracies horizontal will always be better becuz if the top leaders are Fu*ked up then & there is no way of removing them then the country's future is also fu*ked up

not true. Mao was actually more like a special case. before Great Leap Forward he was not bad at economics. during the first 2 five-year-plans China copied a entire set of industrial system from USSR, which till today, India doesn't possess. yet Mao was like the Gandhi family of India, too powerful that no one can challenge his legitimacy. and after the death of Mao, CCP has been a group leadership, even Deng, could never have that much power. from early Mao to late Mao to post Mao to post Deng, the system has changed too much now that using Mao as an example for current Chinese political system is almost ridiculous.

for bad examples of horizontal democracy, we can use Italy and Greece. they have bad leadership all the time and electing another politician doesn't fix the problem. and Italy and Greece actually look good compared with Arab Spring countries or formal USSR countries or most African countries who all claim to be 'democracy'. the only successful 'horizontal democracy' of today are those formal colonial countries. Japan and Korea disguise themselves as 'horizontal' while secretly being 'vertical' just like China.

the CCP is like a huge HR system which has its root in ancient Chinese bureaucracy. the system itself focus on merit and experience rather than popularity among the masses, which is exactly what is needed in 'vertical democracy'. i can say for sure that Chinese leaders today are much much more competent than any politician in western countries.
 
not true. Mao was actually more like a special case. before Great Leap Forward he was not bad at economics. during the first 2 five-year-plans China copied a entire set of industrial system from USSR, which till today, India doesn't possess. yet Mao was like the Gandhi family of India, too powerful that no one can challenge his legitimacy. and after the death of Mao, CCP has been a group leadership, even Deng, could never have that much power. from early Mao to late Mao to post Mao to post Deng, the system has changed too much now that using Mao as an example for current Chinese political system is almost ridiculous.

for bad examples of horizontal democracy, we can use Italy and Greece. they have bad leadership all the time and electing another politician doesn't fix the problem. and Italy and Greece actually look good compared with Arab Spring countries or formal USSR countries or most African countries who all claim to be 'democracy'. the only successful 'horizontal democracy' of today are those formal colonial countries. Japan and Korea disguise themselves as 'horizontal' while secretly being 'vertical' just like China.

the CCP is like a huge HR system which has its root in ancient Chinese bureaucracy. the system itself focus on merit and experience rather than popularity among the masses, which is exactly what is needed in 'vertical democracy'. i can say for sure that Chinese leaders today are much much more competent than any politician in western countries.

The Indian wants to drag you into an endless discussion that goes nowhere, just like their inefficient political system.

Better not to engage them.
 
not true. Mao was actually more like a special case. before Great Leap Forward he was not bad at economics. during the first 2 five-year-plans China copied a entire set of industrial system from USSR, which till today, India doesn't possess. yet Mao was like the Gandhi family of India, too powerful that no one can challenge his legitimacy. and after the death of Mao, CCP has been a group leadership, even Deng, could never have that much power. from early Mao to late Mao to post Mao to post Deng, the system has changed too much now that using Mao as an example for current Chinese political system is almost ridiculous.

for bad examples of horizontal democracy, we can use Italy and Greece. they have bad leadership all the time and electing another politician doesn't fix the problem. and Italy and Greece actually look good compared with Arab Spring countries or formal USSR countries or most African countries who all claim to be 'democracy'. the only successful 'horizontal democracy' of today are those formal colonial countries. Japan and Korea disguise themselves as 'horizontal' while secretly being 'vertical' just like China.

the CCP is like a huge HR system which has its root in ancient Chinese bureaucracy. the system itself focus on merit and experience rather than popularity among the masses, which is exactly what is needed in 'vertical democracy'. i can say for sure that Chinese leaders today are much much more competent than any politician in western countries.

Remove Mao & replace it with a really bad leader,including Mao in the bad leaders thing was my mistake & nice explanation thx

The Indian wants to drag you into an endless discussion that goes nowhere, just like their inefficient political system.

Better not to engage them.

WTH you are delusional bro
 
The Indian wants to drag you into an endless discussion that goes nowhere, just like their inefficient political system.

Better not to engage them.
well, i tried. :coffee:
Remove Mao & replace it with a really bad leader,including Mao in the bad leaders thing was my mistake
then what exactly do you have?
i can say the same for 'horizontal' too. what happens when no just OK (not even better) leaders get elected by 'horizontal'? slow painful death? like Greece?
this is ideology difference, i'm not trying to say which one is better. and your India can only have 'horizontal'. i'll end here.
 
well, i tried. :coffee:

then what exactly do you have?
i can say the same for 'horizontal' too. what happens when no just OK (not even better) leaders get elected by 'horizontal'? slow painful death? like Greece?
this is ideology difference, i'm not trying to say which one is better. and your India can only have 'horizontal'. i'll end here.

I just said that vertical system is not compatible with Democaries & gave a example that what it can do when you have a bad leader at the top & the example i gave not that my point was wrong
 
not true. Mao was actually more like a special case. before Great Leap Forward he was not bad at economics. during the first 2 five-year-plans China copied a entire set of industrial system from USSR, which till today, India doesn't possess. yet Mao was like the Gandhi family of India, too powerful that no one can challenge his legitimacy. and after the death of Mao, CCP has been a group leadership, even Deng, could never have that much power. from early Mao to late Mao to post Mao to post Deng, the system has changed too much now that using Mao as an example for current Chinese political system is almost ridiculous.

for bad examples of horizontal democracy, we can use Italy and Greece. they have bad leadership all the time and electing another politician doesn't fix the problem. and Italy and Greece actually look good compared with Arab Spring countries or formal USSR countries or most African countries who all claim to be 'democracy'. the only successful 'horizontal democracy' of today are those formal colonial countries. Japan and Korea disguise themselves as 'horizontal' while secretly being 'vertical' just like China.

the CCP is like a huge HR system which has its root in ancient Chinese bureaucracy. the system itself focus on merit and experience rather than popularity among the masses, which is exactly what is needed in 'vertical democracy'. i can say for sure that Chinese leaders today are much much more competent than any politician in western countries.

Well, although Mao has made many mistakes, but he has laid the foundation for China's industrial backbone, also led China into the right direction at the foreign policy.

In comparison, the Gandhi family has left nothing to India but the corrupt oligarch.

So don't compare Mao to the Gandhi family, it is an insult to our great leader.
 
Well, although Mao has made many mistakes, but he has laid the foundation for China's industrial backbone, also led China into the right direction at the foreign policy.

In comparison, the Gandhi family has left nothing to India but the corrupt oligarch.

So don't compare Mao to the Gandhi family, it is an insult to our great leader.
they did share the same halo as 'the founding fathers' which gave them unusually huge political power and cannot be replicated in today's circumstance.
Mao was gone along with his political power for almost 40 years now, while the Gandhi family is still very active in India politics today....
 
they did share the same halo as 'the founding fathers' which gave them unusually huge political power and cannot be replicated in today's circumstance.
Mao was gone along with his political power for almost 40 years now, while the Gandhi family is still very active in India politics today....

But Mao's industrial legacy is more much powerful than that of the Gandhi family.

China's first thermonuclear bomb was detonated since 1967, while today's India still hasn't figured out the atomic firecracker.

Because India's weak indigenous industrial foundation, and it took them more than 30 years to produce Arjun and LCA, but still not fixed.

Although Deng has reformed China's economy and improved the living standard, but he has still inherited and followed Mao's industrial legacy.

So this is the difference between Mao and the corrupt Gandhi family.
 
1.39 million Chinese receive legal assistance

English.news.cn | 2015-01-26
BEIJING, Jan. 26 (Xinhua) -- The Chinese government provided free legal aid services for nearly 1.39 million people in 2014 to help them safeguard their rights, the Economic Daily reported on Monday.

More than one-third of them are migrant workers who are vulnerable to job dismissal and withheld wages and know little about the legal system, the report said, quoting the Ministry of Justice.

The ministry's statistics showed that about 10 percent more migrant workers than last year said they would like to seek legal assistance if their rights are violated.

Legal service centers have been springing up in streets, communities and prisons across China. The number of new legal service centers in 2014 totaled 70,000, the ministry said. The country will guide more legal service agencies to provide assistance to suspects and defendants in prisons.

It also promised to lower the eligibility standard for people to receive legal assistance and expand services for military personnel.
 
China's supreme court branches out to ease legal actions
English.news.cn 2015-01-29



SHENZHEN, Jan. 28 (Xinhua) -- China's Supreme People's Court (SPC) opened its first branch in the southern Chinese city of Shenzhen on Wednesday to save citizens time and money for traveling to Beijing.

The SPC's First Circuit Court, inaugurated in Shenzhen, southern Guangdong Province, will primarily handle major administrative, civil and commercial cases, which are filed from Guangdong and Hainan province as well as Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region and should have been heard by judges of the SPC in Beijing.

"The circuit court will save people the time and resources it takes to travel the long distance to Beijing for court cases," said Kong Xiangjun, deputy president of the circuit court. Shenzhen is about 2,000 km away from Beijing, more than three hours by air.

Judges from the circuit court will travel across three provincial divisions to hear cases so that citizens in remote areas do not need to go to Shenzhen, Kong said.

"Setting the first circuit court in Shenzhen is out of the consideration that the advanced economic development in the Pearl River Delta region prompts a large number of cases and a greater demand for judicial trials," said He Xiaorong, office director of the SPC judicial reform leadership group.

The SPC's Second Circuit Court will be set up in Shenyang, capital city of northeast China's Liaoning Province, covering the provinces of Liaoning, Jilin and Heilongjiang, according to a document issued by the SPC on Wednesday.

According to the SPC, a total of 18 presiding judges selected for these two circuit courts average 46.5 in age, with more than 15 years judicial experience and at least a master degree. The line-up will be replaced with new judges every two years.

Both courts will start processing cases on Sunday.

The move is part of the legal reforms adopted at the fourth plenary session of the 18th Communist Party of China (CPC) Central Committee in late October, 2014.

The SPC said they will help the public file cases in local communities and get their disputes solved more quickly and locally. They will also free up the SPC headquarters to concentrate on judicial policies and trying more complex cases that "have profound significance in unifying the application of law."

The circuit courts are adjudicatory organs designated by the SPC and their judgements, orders and decisions equal those of the SPC, said Wednesday's document.

It stipulated 11 types of cases will be handled by the circuit courts, including nationwide administrative cases of first instance, civil and commercial cases of first instance with significant influence across the country, cases transferred by the higher people's courts due to jurisdiction, administrative, civil and commercial cases and judicial assistance cases concerning Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan, as well as other cases the SPC decides to be tried by the circuit courts.

Intellectual property rights, foreign-related commercial, maritime, death penalty review, national compensation, ruling enforcement as well as protests lodged by the SPC will still handled by SPC headquarters.

All the judges working in the circuit courts will be selected and sent by the SPC.

A bi-monthly legislative session of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress appointed Liu Guixiang and Hu Yunteng president of the circuit court in Shenzhen and Shenyang respectively in late December, 2014.

The SPC circuit courts are also expected to act as a test ground for the country's judicial reform.

In Chinese courts, three judges often team up to hear a case, including the chief. In most courts, the team members and chief are fixed.

The SPC circuit court will not follow such a setup, allowing judges to form the three-member team. The chief will vary according to different cases, Kong said.

"We want to assign judges to cases according to their different legal training, specialty and experience so that cases can be well handled," he said.

The circuit courts may also set an example for local courts when they try to set up courts cross administrative divisions, said Prof. Hu Jianmiao with the Chinese Academy of Governance.

The jurisdiction of local courts is largely consistent with administrative divisions and the promotion of judges and finance of the courts are strongly affected by local administration, Hu said.

"It is not a rare case that the government interferes in certain lawsuits," he said.

The legal reform plan included a pilot project to set up courts and procuratorates with jurisdictions across different administrative divisions within a province to reduce interference.

The SPC circuit courts' system can be borrowed by these local courts, Hu added.

"The circuit court system is a significant step in the judicial reform, pioneering institutional changes for wider and deeper reform," Ma Huaide, vice president of the China University of Political Science.

Echoing Ma's comments, SPC president Zhou Qiang urged the circuit court to ensure transparent operations, prevent judicial corruption and gather experiences for nationwide judicial reform in the court system.
 
China's first circuit courts in full operations
2015-02-05
BEIJING, Feb. 5 (Xinhua) -- Two circuit courts recently inaugurated by China's Supreme People's Court (SPC) have experienced huge demand with staff working full-time to work with visitors filing lawsuits.

The two courts, one in the southern Chinese city of Shenzhen opened on Jan. 28 and one in Shenyang, capital of northeast China's Liaoning Province, on Jan. 31, aim to bring justice to the doorsteps of ordinary people.

According to an SPC statement released Thursday, on Feb. 2, their first official workday, the Shenzhen court received 79 parties involved in various cases while the Shenyang court interviewed 54 people.

"In order to relieve reception pressure, both courts took immediate actions to send in extra staff to guide visitors and communicate with them," the statement said, adding that appointments were made via phone with those failing to get a chance to file in their requests.

"Court workers maintained meticulous, elaborate and discreet communications with visitors in a bid to ensure their right to appeal. No disorder was reported at either court," it added.

The establishment of the circuit courts, seen as a crucial step in China's judicial reform, aimed to help the public file cases in local communities and get their disputes solved more quickly and locally. They will also free up the SPC headquarters to concentrate on judicial policies and try more complex cases.

The two courts, whose locations were chosen for the two regions' advanced economic status and greater demands for judicial trials, will primarily handle major administrative, civil and commercial cases filed locally and from neighboring regions.
 
The Indian wants to drag you into an endless discussion that goes nowhere, just like their inefficient political system.

Better not to engage them.
Exactly bro. Newer Chinese members should not even bothering replying back to these morons. I made a mistake and the big mouth kept going off topic and shooting his indian logic.

better to stay away from them or they will drag you into an eternal nonsense of gibberish.
 
Exactly bro. Newer Chinese members should not even bothering replying back to these morons. I made a mistake and the big mouth kept going off topic and shooting his indian logic.

better to stay away from them or they will drag you into an eternal nonsense of gibberish.

Newer members will learn, too.

Or they may be advised to go to the Indian section and engage them there on issues related to India -- there are many social, political, economic and one can discuss until hell freezes.

In this thread, the best Indian is an ignored Indian -- so long as they show no respect for China's internal affairs, attempt smart posts that cloak their real intention and drag people into discussing China's own matters.
 
SPP rolls out reform plan to ensure judicial fairness
English.news.cn 2015-02-16



BEIJING, Feb. 15 (Xinhua) -- The Supreme People's Procuratorate (SPP) issued its newest five-year work plan Sunday, rolling out measures to ensure judicial independence and fairness.

The SPP will explore ways of separating the administrative and judicial jurisdictions of procuratorates below provincial level, according to the plan, which covers reforms from 2013 to 2017.

Plans were also made to set up procuratorates that cross administrative divisions to reduce intervention in the judicial process from local powers.

The SPP will cooperate with other departments to establish systems to record officials' interventions in cases, so that those involved are held accountable.

To enhance counter-corruption efforts, procuratorates with cross-regional jurisdiction over duty crimes will be established, according to the plan.

Amid efforts to prevent wrongful convictions, procuratorate bodies will enhance supervision of criminal investigations by the police as well as measures to limit the movement of suspects.

Administrative compulsory measures involving citizens' personal and property rights will also be scrutinized, according to the plan.

The plan also underscored that staff within the procuratorate system should not interfere with cases or meet anyone affiliated with suspects under investigation, and the leaking of case details or the accepting of bribes will result in punishment.
 

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