WSJ : Why China and the U.S. Are Vying for Dominance in Pakistan

[Knight Rider]

That is a photo of a Westerner dressed as a local Afghan.

Could very well be one of those radicalised westerners who converted to islam, and moved to afghanistan for Jihad.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/oct/13/usa.pakistan


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Tattoo of demon on any part of body is haram in Islam. In which way he converted to Islam without seeking advise from any Muslim Scholar and Imam. He was doing Jihad ???? For what ??? To kill Muslims in Afghanistan and Pakistan ???

Objectively, that photo means nothing.


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It means nothing to you but its means alot to the Pakistani and Afghanistani. And this is not the only photo, there are many more.

US was instrumental in pakistan acquiring Nukes. So if they want to take them back, its their prerogative though one can argue that its all a conspiracy theory.

US was not instrumental. US sanctioned Pakistan in every way not to get Nuclear Technology.

US on record has gone to war to destroy Al Qaeda. So if Al qaeda is doing bombing in pakistan, its certainly not due to the US. Who are the local pakistanis who are giving support to the Al Qaeda in pakistan ? AFter all they cannot operate in pakistan without local support.

Al-Qaeda and Talibans are still flourishing inside Afghanistan as we speak. US really destroyed Talibans for sure . Local Pakistan helping Talibans are mostly American Agents and funded by CIA and Black water etc.

 

[Shankranthi]

As if Pak is terrorized to death!!! As if she'll just give up and die seeing the army of LGBTs!!! As if President Obama didn't say it on record that his worst nightmare is Pak, which wakes him up at the dead of the night amidst profuse sweating!! As if the MIT study hasn't confirmed that Pak can singularly change the world as we know it!!!

Super Powers after Super Powers failed to handle the mere Taliban (=students) from the elementary school!!!! Now, have they come to get hold of the Ustad (=master) of the graduate school of excellence?????

We are born at our homes, and we die at the battlefields - a Turkish saying

Hodri Meydan.....

Did you just call pakistan as the ultimate Taliban ?

Did you just claim that pakistan set up the Taliban graduate school of "excellence" ?


I am not sure if you are trying to praise pakistan or Insult it. Kindly clarify.

 

[khansaheeb]

Rather than use diplomacy to play off US against china and gain substantially from it, pakistan has let them two giants dictate terms to it.

This is because pakistan has already pigeon holed itself against India and both US and China knows that pakistan needs help to stand up against India.

This gives leverage to pakistan's "friends" and also takes away any leverage pakistan has against its "Friends".


If only pakistan had the wisdom to negotiate friendly relationship with India, it would give it extra leverage against these two giants. But like the proverbial monkey in the Monkey Trap, pakistan just does not know when to let go.


As to the future, I think china will gain more control than the US.

We cannot be friendly with a nazi state that represses the Kashmiri people and supports brutal occupation of Palestine:-"If only Pakistan had the wisdom to negotiate friendly relationship with India".

 

[Shankranthi]

Tattoo of demon on any part of body is haram in Islam. In which way he converted to Islam without seeking advise from any Muslim Scholar and Imam. He was doing Jihad ???? For what ??? To kill Muslims in Afghanistan and Pakistan ???

It means nothing to you but its means alot to the Pakistani and Afghanistani. And this is not the only photo, there are many more.

He could very well have converted AFTER he got those tattoos. And as you probably know, Tattoos are permanent.

Heard of Jihadi John ? He is not the only one.

US was not instrumental. US sanctioned Pakistan in every way not to get Nuclear Technology.

US sanctioned pakistan AFTER you exploded the Nukes , not Before. Before that, they covertly helped you get Uranium and enriching tech. China gave you nuke design.

Al-Qaeda and Talibans are still flourishing inside Afghanistan as we speak. US really destroyed Talibans for sure . Local Pakistan helping Talibans are mostly American Agents and funded by CIA and Black water etc.

Right now US is seeking pakistani assistance to form a alliance with the Taliban.

Why are they seeking pakistani help to deal with taliban ? Its because they know who the god father of Taliban is.

We cannot be friendly with a nazi state that represses the Kashmiri people and supports brutal occupation of Palestine:-"If only Pakistan had the wisdom to negotiate friendly relationship with India".

 

[khansaheeb]

That is a photo of a Westerner dressed as a local Afghan.

Could very well be one of those radicalised westerners who converted to islam, and moved to afghanistan for Jihad.


Objectively, that photo means nothing.


US was instrumental in pakistan acquiring Nukes. So if they want to take them back, its their prerogative though one can argue that its all a conspiracy theory.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/oct/13/usa.pakistan


US on record has gone to war to destroy Al Qaeda. So if Al qaeda is doing bombing in pakistan, its certainly not due to the US. Who are the local pakistanis who are giving support to the Al Qaeda in pakistan ? AFter all they cannot operate in pakistan without local support.

Oh really , how? "US was instrumental in Pakistan acquiring Nukes".

 

[Shankranthi]

Oh really , how? "US was instrumental in Pakistan acquiring Nukes".

For that you have to read the link provided in the post you quoted.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Did you just call pakistan as the ultimate Taliban ?

Did you just claim that pakistan set up the Taliban graduate school of "excellence" ?


I am not sure if you are trying to praise pakistan or Insult it. Kindly clarify.

Taliban are the offshoot of the Afghan Mujahidin, who were trained by Pak to slaughter the USSR into 15 parts as a revenge for her overwhelming support to India against Pak at a remote corner...

 

[khansaheeb]

He could very well have converted AFTER he got those tattoos. And as you probably know, Tattoos are permanent.

Heard of Jihadi John ? He is not the only one.




US sanctioned pakistan AFTER you exploded the Nukes , not Before. Before that, they covertly helped you get Uranium and enriching tech. China gave you nuke design.




Right now US is seeking pakistani assistance to form a alliance with the Taliban.

Why are they seeking pakistani help to deal with taliban ? Its because they know who the god father of Taliban is.

Lol, "US sanctioned pakistan AFTER you exploded the Nukes , not Before. Before that, they covertly helped you get Uranium and enriching tech. China gave you nuke design. "

It was US Zion pressure that stopped France supplying enrichment facility to Pakistan many years before the Nuke tests.

Shankranthi were you part of the surgical strike team?

 

[Shankranthi]

Taliban are the offshoot of the Afghan Mujahidin, who were trained by Pak to slaughter the USSR into 15 parts as a revenge for her overwhelming support to India against Pak at a remote corner...

I partially agree, though pakistan beef with USSR had nothing to do with India.

USSR wanted access to warm waters and pakistan choose to become a pawn in US hands to stop them.

It was US Zion pressure that stopped France supplying enrichment facility to Pakistan many years before the Nuke tests.

Shankranthi were you part of the surgical strike team?

Ah yes, the EVIL ZIONIST Conspiracy.

.......... second only to the Evil Hindoo conspiracy.

 

[khansaheeb]

I partially agree, though pakistan beef with USSR had nothing to do with India.

USSR wanted access to warm waters and pakistan choose to become a pawn in US hands to stop them.



Ah yes, the EVIL ZIONIST Conspiracy.

.......... second only to the Evil Hindoo conspiracy.

Don't sidestep , accept you are wrong in your assertion that US helped Pakistan acquire its nukes.

 

[Shankranthi]

Don't sidestep , accept you are wrong in your assertion that US helped Pakistan acquire its nukes.

Its not my claim, its the claim made by an ex CIA guy who has personally experienced this as detailed in the link from the guardian.

 

[Max]

Rather than use diplomacy to play off US against china and gain substantially from it, pakistan has let them two giants dictate terms to it.

This is because pakistan has already pigeon holed itself against India and both US and China knows that pakistan needs help to stand up against India.

This gives leverage to pakistan's "friends" and also takes away any leverage pakistan has against its "Friends".


If only pakistan had the wisdom to negotiate friendly relationship with India, it would give it extra leverage against these two giants. But like the proverbial monkey in the Monkey Trap, pakistan just does not know when to let go.


As to the future, I think china will gain more control than the US.

From where that irrelevent shithole come into discussion? Why we need them to control those lowly subhumans.
Pakistan need them as much as you needed Russia Israel and France.. Yes our economy is in bad shape but it's quite manageable.

As for China and Yankee topic,

Well Yankee are more miserable right now then anyone in the region. The fact that they have to court ganga subhuman for sake of China despite knowing they hold no real leverage on Gangadeshis to change their policies regarding anyone. How desperate... Yanks want them to confront China but as of now 80% of their gango army is deployed against Pakistan and it will remain so..meanwhile gangadeshis will steal more yankee jobs and florish. While yankee think tanks will fool their people that propping up ganga subhuman will improve Yankee standing in the world.

 

[Knight Rider]

US sanctioned pakistan AFTER you exploded the Nukes , not Before. Before that, they covertly helped you get Uranium and enriching tech. China gave you nuke design.

US sanctioned Pakistan in the 1988 and Pakistan did its Atomic Blasts on 28 May 1998. US never helped Pakistan in anyway.

Right now US is seeking pakistani assistance to form a alliance with the Taliban.

Why are they seeking pakistani help to deal with taliban ? Its because they know who the god father of Taliban is.

They are seeking help because they are defeated inside Afghanistan. "God Father of Taliban " You mean the CIA who created Talibans to fight the Soviet Union forces in Afghanistan in 1970s.

He could very well have converted AFTER he got those tattoos. And as you probably know, Tattoos are permanent.

Heard of Jihadi John ? He is not the only one.

Is that the name of some rockstar or something similar. JIHADI JOHN

Doesn't look like a Muslim to me.

 

[khansaheeb]

US sanctioned Pakistan in the 1988 and Pakistan did its Atomic Blasts on 28 May 1998. US never helped Pakistan in anyway.



They are seeking help because they are defeated inside Afghanistan. "God Father of Taliban " You mean the CIA who created Talibans to fight the Soviet Union forces in Afghanistan in 1970s.



Is that the name of some rockstar or something similar. JIHADI JOHN

Doesn't look like a Muslim to me.

I have heard of Modi the teaboy.

Its not my claim, its the claim made by an ex CIA guy who has personally experienced this as detailed in the link from the guardian.

Follow a donkey and it will lead you to the manure dump.

 

[Shankranthi]

From where that irrelevent shithole come into discussion? Why we need them to control those lowly subhumans.
Pakistan need them as much as you needed Russia Israel and France.. Yes our economy is in bad shape but it's quite manageable.

I leave it to the pakistanis to decide what they "Need".

Every drug addict "Need" their drugs. That is their reason to be. That monkey "Needs" those nuts, even if they kill him.

As for China and Yankee topic,

Well Yankee are more miserable right now then anyone in the region. The fact that they have to court ganga subhuman for sake of China despite knowing they hold no real leverage on Gangadeshis to change their policies regarding anyone. How desperate... Yanks want them to confront China but as of now 80% of their gango army is deployed against Pakistan and it will remain so..meanwhile gangadeshis will steal more yankee jobs and florish. While yankee think tanks will fool their people that propping up ganga subhuman will improve Yankee standing in the world.

US does not need "leverage" over India, our strategic interest ALIGN w.r.t China.

India finds US useful to tame china and build better friendly relationship with China.

India also provides a back channel for the US to talk to Iran.

Its a win win for all involved.

What it also does is give India a say in US policy w.r.t pakistan and China policy w.r.t pakistan.

US sanctioned Pakistan in the 1988 and Pakistan did its Atomic Blasts on 28 May 1998. US never helped Pakistan in anyway.

In 1987 Pakistan became the second largest recipient of aid after Israel.

US was forced to abandon pakistan due to the "Pressler Amendment" which was passed in US congress. But the CIA continued to help pakistan covertly.

They are seeking help because they are defeated inside Afghanistan. "God Father of Taliban " You mean the CIA who created Talibans to fight the Soviet Union forces in Afghanistan in 1970s.

Make up you mind as to who created the Taliban, US or pakistan or both together.

Either way, pakistan was the midwife when taliban was born.

Is that the name of some rockstar or something similar. JIHADI JOHN

Doesn't look like a Muslim to me.

I am not sure what a "muslim" looks like.

Follow a donkey and it will lead you to the manure dump.

Or you can Follow CIA's expert on Pakistan's nuclear secrets, Mr. Rich Barlow and he can lead you to the truth.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/oct/13/usa.pakistan

But if you would rather follow a Donkey then its your choice. To teach his own.