Would Jinnah have lived as a Shia?

[Uchiha]

Mr yes he was liberal for sometime than he became close Islam and remained close to Islam for lot of time and above all we Muslims need to check what ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW has ordered us not what Jinah ordered us but still except one or two of his speech he has said several times Pakistan law will be based on Quran and Sunnah

Quaid-e-Azam Ka Pakistan” in his own words
In pakistan on August 14, 2009 at 2:54 am
Our secular & liberal freaks attacking on Islamic Ideology of Pakistan & falsely giving the reference of Quaid-e-Azam August 11 speech, which he delivered under the extreme conditions of law & order whereHindu Muslims riots have errupted. Here by quoting few sayings of QA wants to remind our readers that what was the QA vision about Pakistan.

“India is not a nation, nor a country. It is a Sub Continent of nationalities. Hindus and Muslims being the two major nations. The Hindus and Muslims belongs belong to two different religions, philosophies, social customs and literature. They neither intermarry nor interdine and they belong to two different civilization which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspects on life and of are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Muslims derive their inspiration from different sources of history.”(Presidential address at the annual session of Muslim League at Lahore in 1940)

“We do not demand Pakistan simply to have a piece of land but we want a laboratory where we could experiment on Islamic principles.”(In 1946, Quaid-e-Azam Islamia College Peshawar)

“Pakistan only means freedom and independence but Muslims ideology, which has to be preserved which has come to us as a precious gift and treasure and which w hope, others will share with us.” (message to the frontier Muslim Students Federation (June 18th 1945),

“The vital contest in which we are engaged is not only for the material gain but also the very existence of the soul of Muslim nation, Hence I have said often that it is a matter of life and death to the Musalmans and is not a counter for bargaining.”
Predisential Address devlivered at the Special Pakistan Session of the Punjab Muslim Students Federation
March 2, 1941

“Pakistan not only means freedom and independce but the Muslim Ideology which has to be preserved, which has come to us as a precious gift and treasure and which, we hope other will share with us”
Message to Frontier Muslim Students Federation
June 18, 1945

“If we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor… you are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the state… in due course of time Hindus will cease to be Hindus and Muslims will cease to Muslims- not in a religious sense for that is the personal faith of an individual- but in a political sense as citizens of one state”
Address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, Karachi
August 11, 1947



“You have to stand guard over the development and maintenance of Islamic democracy, Islamic social justice and the equality of manhood in your own native soil. With faith, discipline and selfless devotion to duty, there is nothing worthwhile that you cannot achieve.”
Address to the officers and men of the 5th Heavy Ack Ack and 6th Light Ack Ack Regiments in Malir, Karachi
February 21, 1948

“We should have a State in which we could live and breathe as free men and which we could develop according to our own lights and culture and where principles of Islamic social justice could find free play.”
Address to Civil, Naval, Military and Air Force Officers of Pakistan Government, Karachi
October 11, 1947

“We must work our destiny in our own way and present to the world an economic system based on true Islamic concept of equality of manhood and social justice. We will thereby be fulfilling our mission as Muslims and giving to humanity the message of peace which alone can save it and secure the welfare, happiness and prosperity of mankind”
Speech at the opening ceremony of State Bank of Pakistan, Karachi
July 1, 1948



How can there be unity of government between areas so widely separated? I can answer this question in one word. It is “faith” : faith in Almighty God, in ourselves and in our destiny.

(Broadcast to Australia, recorded on 9th February, 1948)

It is my belief that our salvation lies in following the golden rules of conduct set for us by our great law-giver, the Prophet of Islam.

(Speech at Shahi Darbar, Sibi, February 14, 1948



For Secular / Liberal minded peoples who start from August 11 speech, should read following

Addressing Bar Association Karachi on 25th March 1948,
“Thirteen hundred years ago he laid the foundation of democracy… The Prophet was a great teacher. He was a great lawgiver. He was a great statesman and a great sovereign who ruled. No doubt, there are many people who do not quite appreciate when we talk of Islam. Islam is not only a set of rituals, traditions and spiritual doctrines. Islam is also a code for every Muslim, which regulates his life and his conduct in even politics and economics and the like. It is
based upon highest principles of honour, integrity, fair play and justice for all. One God and the equality of man is one of the fundamental principles of Islam. In Islam there is no difference between man and man. The qualities of
equality, liberty and fraternity are the fundamental principles in Islam.”

Also in the same speech,
“What reason is there for anyone to fear democracy, equality, freedom on the highest standard of integrity and on the basis of fair play and justice for everybody… Let us make it (the constitution of Pakistan). We shall make it and we will show it to the world.”

On 14th February 1948 in Sibi Darbar,
“It is my belief that our salvation lies in following the golden rules of conduct set for us by our great lawgiver, The Prophet of Islam. Let us lay the foundations of our democracy on the basis of truly Islamic ideals and principles. Our Almighty has taught us that “Our decisions in the affairs of state shall be guided by discussions and consultations.”

Also in Feb. 1948 in his broadcast to people of United States of America, ”The Constitution of Pakistan is yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know that the ultimate shape of this Constitution will be, but I am sure that it will be of the democratic type, embodying the essential principles of Islam. Today they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fair play to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions, and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as the framers of the future Constitution of Pakistan.”

And also in Feb. 1948 in his broadcast to the people of Australia,
“The great majority of us are Muslims. We follow the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). We are members of the brotherhood of Islam in which all are equal in right, dignity and self-respect. Consequently we have a special and a very deep sense of unity. But make no mistake: Pakistan is not a theocracy
or anything like it. Islam demands from us the tolerance of other creeds and we welcome in closest association with us all those who, of whatever creed,are themselves willing and ready to play their part as true and loyal citizens of Pakistan.”

In a Press Conference held in New Delhi on 4th July 1947, Quaid-I-Azam answered certain questions which were put to him regarding the nature of state of Pakistan.

Q: Will Pakistan be a secular or theocratic state?
A: You are asking me a question that is absurd. I do not know what a theocratic state means…
(A correspondent suggested that a theocratic state meant a state where only people of a particular religion, for example Muslims would be full citizens and non-muslims would not be full citizens.)
A: Then it seems to me that what I have already said is like pouring water on the duck’s back laughter).
When you talk of democracy, I am afraid you have not studies Islam. We learnt democracy thirteen centuries ago.

In an interview reported in the Press on 25th January 1948 Mr. Jinnah said that,

“he could not understand a section of people who deliberately wanted to create mischief and made propaganda that the Constitution of Pakistan would not be made on the basis of Shariat…” He further said that “not only the muslims but also the non-muslims have nothing to fear.”

Err, he looked and acted the same till his last breath, he was always a good muslim, he was also always a liberal.
You're an idiot who cant tell the difference between secular and liberal

 

[Redbull]

Islam is liberal in my opinion.

Also the Sharia he's talking about is not the same as people call it today, today it just means Arab culture.

 

[Uchiha]

Mr yes he was liberal for sometime than he became close Islam and remained close to Islam for lot of time and above all we Muslims need to check what ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW has ordered us not what Jinah ordered us but still except one or two of his speech he has said several times Pakistan law will be based on Quran and Sunnah

Quaid-e-Azam Ka Pakistan” in his own words
In pakistan on August 14, 2009 at 2:54 am
Our secular & liberal freaks attacking on Islamic Ideology of Pakistan & falsely giving the reference of Quaid-e-Azam August 11 speech, which he delivered under the extreme conditions of law & order whereHindu Muslims riots have errupted. Here by quoting few sayings of QA wants to remind our readers that what was the QA vision about Pakistan.

“India is not a nation, nor a country. It is a Sub Continent of nationalities. Hindus and Muslims being the two major nations. The Hindus and Muslims belongs belong to two different religions, philosophies, social customs and literature. They neither intermarry nor interdine and they belong to two different civilization which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspects on life and of are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Muslims derive their inspiration from different sources of history.”(Presidential address at the annual session of Muslim League at Lahore in 1940)

“We do not demand Pakistan simply to have a piece of land but we want a laboratory where we could experiment on Islamic principles.”(In 1946, Quaid-e-Azam Islamia College Peshawar)

“Pakistan only means freedom and independence but Muslims ideology, which has to be preserved which has come to us as a precious gift and treasure and which w hope, others will share with us.” (message to the frontier Muslim Students Federation (June 18th 1945),

“The vital contest in which we are engaged is not only for the material gain but also the very existence of the soul of Muslim nation, Hence I have said often that it is a matter of life and death to the Musalmans and is not a counter for bargaining.”
Predisential Address devlivered at the Special Pakistan Session of the Punjab Muslim Students Federation
March 2, 1941

“Pakistan not only means freedom and independce but the Muslim Ideology which has to be preserved, which has come to us as a precious gift and treasure and which, we hope other will share with us”
Message to Frontier Muslim Students Federation
June 18, 1945

“If we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor… you are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the state… in due course of time Hindus will cease to be Hindus and Muslims will cease to Muslims- not in a religious sense for that is the personal faith of an individual- but in a political sense as citizens of one state”
Address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, Karachi
August 11, 1947



“You have to stand guard over the development and maintenance of Islamic democracy, Islamic social justice and the equality of manhood in your own native soil. With faith, discipline and selfless devotion to duty, there is nothing worthwhile that you cannot achieve.”
Address to the officers and men of the 5th Heavy Ack Ack and 6th Light Ack Ack Regiments in Malir, Karachi
February 21, 1948

“We should have a State in which we could live and breathe as free men and which we could develop according to our own lights and culture and where principles of Islamic social justice could find free play.”
Address to Civil, Naval, Military and Air Force Officers of Pakistan Government, Karachi
October 11, 1947

“We must work our destiny in our own way and present to the world an economic system based on true Islamic concept of equality of manhood and social justice. We will thereby be fulfilling our mission as Muslims and giving to humanity the message of peace which alone can save it and secure the welfare, happiness and prosperity of mankind”
Speech at the opening ceremony of State Bank of Pakistan, Karachi
July 1, 1948



How can there be unity of government between areas so widely separated? I can answer this question in one word. It is “faith” : faith in Almighty God, in ourselves and in our destiny.

(Broadcast to Australia, recorded on 9th February, 1948)

It is my belief that our salvation lies in following the golden rules of conduct set for us by our great law-giver, the Prophet of Islam.

(Speech at Shahi Darbar, Sibi, February 14, 1948



For Secular / Liberal minded peoples who start from August 11 speech, should read following

Addressing Bar Association Karachi on 25th March 1948,
“Thirteen hundred years ago he laid the foundation of democracy… The Prophet was a great teacher. He was a great lawgiver. He was a great statesman and a great sovereign who ruled. No doubt, there are many people who do not quite appreciate when we talk of Islam. Islam is not only a set of rituals, traditions and spiritual doctrines. Islam is also a code for every Muslim, which regulates his life and his conduct in even politics and economics and the like. It is
based upon highest principles of honour, integrity, fair play and justice for all. One God and the equality of man is one of the fundamental principles of Islam. In Islam there is no difference between man and man. The qualities of
equality, liberty and fraternity are the fundamental principles in Islam.”

Also in the same speech,
“What reason is there for anyone to fear democracy, equality, freedom on the highest standard of integrity and on the basis of fair play and justice for everybody… Let us make it (the constitution of Pakistan). We shall make it and we will show it to the world.”

On 14th February 1948 in Sibi Darbar,
“It is my belief that our salvation lies in following the golden rules of conduct set for us by our great lawgiver, The Prophet of Islam. Let us lay the foundations of our democracy on the basis of truly Islamic ideals and principles. Our Almighty has taught us that “Our decisions in the affairs of state shall be guided by discussions and consultations.”

Also in Feb. 1948 in his broadcast to people of United States of America, ”The Constitution of Pakistan is yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know that the ultimate shape of this Constitution will be, but I am sure that it will be of the democratic type, embodying the essential principles of Islam. Today they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fair play to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions, and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as the framers of the future Constitution of Pakistan.”

And also in Feb. 1948 in his broadcast to the people of Australia,
“The great majority of us are Muslims. We follow the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). We are members of the brotherhood of Islam in which all are equal in right, dignity and self-respect. Consequently we have a special and a very deep sense of unity. But make no mistake: Pakistan is not a theocracy
or anything like it. Islam demands from us the tolerance of other creeds and we welcome in closest association with us all those who, of whatever creed,are themselves willing and ready to play their part as true and loyal citizens of Pakistan.”

In a Press Conference held in New Delhi on 4th July 1947, Quaid-I-Azam answered certain questions which were put to him regarding the nature of state of Pakistan.

Q: Will Pakistan be a secular or theocratic state?
A: You are asking me a question that is absurd. I do not know what a theocratic state means…
(A correspondent suggested that a theocratic state meant a state where only people of a particular religion, for example Muslims would be full citizens and non-muslims would not be full citizens.)
A: Then it seems to me that what I have already said is like pouring water on the duck’s back laughter).
When you talk of democracy, I am afraid you have not studies Islam. We learnt democracy thirteen centuries ago.

In an interview reported in the Press on 25th January 1948 Mr. Jinnah said that,

“he could not understand a section of people who deliberately wanted to create mischief and made propaganda that the Constitution of Pakistan would not be made on the basis of Shariat…” He further said that “not only the muslims but also the non-muslims have nothing to fear.”

You say you don't care what quid e azam was right? But the biggest example, the Prophet Muhammad SAW was the biggest liberal(my definition, not the Pakistani one)
I mean see here:
1)Liberals are thin and muscular; it's reported that the Prophet SAW had a perfect diet, and he was rather muscular. Non liberal mullas are fat and obese and weak.
2)Liberals keept their hair, facial or head, neat and clean; the Prophet SAW did the same. While most non liberal mullas have unkempt and unruly shaggy hair and beards
3)People would openly debate and question the Prophet SAW and he would patiently reply - liberals do the same. Mullas would jump on you and try to give fatwas if they dont have an answer
4)The Prophet SAW cared for all of humanity without discrimination, one of the meaning of liberal is they dont discriminate. Mullas on the other hand only care about themselves
And many more.
Jinnah RA or the Prophet SAW both had the same message of tolerance.

Mr yes he was liberal for sometime than he became close Islam and remained close to Islam for lot of time and above all we Muslims need to check what ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW has ordered us not what Jinah ordered us but still except one or two of his speech he has said several times Pakistan law will be based on Quran and Sunnah

Quaid-e-Azam Ka Pakistan” in his own words
In pakistan on August 14, 2009 at 2:54 am
Our secular & liberal freaks attacking on Islamic Ideology of Pakistan & falsely giving the reference of Quaid-e-Azam August 11 speech, which he delivered under the extreme conditions of law & order whereHindu Muslims riots have errupted. Here by quoting few sayings of QA wants to remind our readers that what was the QA vision about Pakistan.

“India is not a nation, nor a country. It is a Sub Continent of nationalities. Hindus and Muslims being the two major nations. The Hindus and Muslims belongs belong to two different religions, philosophies, social customs and literature. They neither intermarry nor interdine and they belong to two different civilization which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspects on life and of are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Muslims derive their inspiration from different sources of history.”(Presidential address at the annual session of Muslim League at Lahore in 1940)

“We do not demand Pakistan simply to have a piece of land but we want a laboratory where we could experiment on Islamic principles.”(In 1946, Quaid-e-Azam Islamia College Peshawar)

“Pakistan only means freedom and independence but Muslims ideology, which has to be preserved which has come to us as a precious gift and treasure and which w hope, others will share with us.” (message to the frontier Muslim Students Federation (June 18th 1945),

“The vital contest in which we are engaged is not only for the material gain but also the very existence of the soul of Muslim nation, Hence I have said often that it is a matter of life and death to the Musalmans and is not a counter for bargaining.”
Predisential Address devlivered at the Special Pakistan Session of the Punjab Muslim Students Federation
March 2, 1941

“Pakistan not only means freedom and independce but the Muslim Ideology which has to be preserved, which has come to us as a precious gift and treasure and which, we hope other will share with us”
Message to Frontier Muslim Students Federation
June 18, 1945

“If we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor… you are free- you are free to go to your temples mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the state… in due course of time Hindus will cease to be Hindus and Muslims will cease to Muslims- not in a religious sense for that is the personal faith of an individual- but in a political sense as citizens of one state”
Address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, Karachi
August 11, 1947



“You have to stand guard over the development and maintenance of Islamic democracy, Islamic social justice and the equality of manhood in your own native soil. With faith, discipline and selfless devotion to duty, there is nothing worthwhile that you cannot achieve.”
Address to the officers and men of the 5th Heavy Ack Ack and 6th Light Ack Ack Regiments in Malir, Karachi
February 21, 1948

“We should have a State in which we could live and breathe as free men and which we could develop according to our own lights and culture and where principles of Islamic social justice could find free play.”
Address to Civil, Naval, Military and Air Force Officers of Pakistan Government, Karachi
October 11, 1947

“We must work our destiny in our own way and present to the world an economic system based on true Islamic concept of equality of manhood and social justice. We will thereby be fulfilling our mission as Muslims and giving to humanity the message of peace which alone can save it and secure the welfare, happiness and prosperity of mankind”
Speech at the opening ceremony of State Bank of Pakistan, Karachi
July 1, 1948



How can there be unity of government between areas so widely separated? I can answer this question in one word. It is “faith” : faith in Almighty God, in ourselves and in our destiny.

(Broadcast to Australia, recorded on 9th February, 1948)

It is my belief that our salvation lies in following the golden rules of conduct set for us by our great law-giver, the Prophet of Islam.

(Speech at Shahi Darbar, Sibi, February 14, 1948



For Secular / Liberal minded peoples who start from August 11 speech, should read following

Addressing Bar Association Karachi on 25th March 1948,
“Thirteen hundred years ago he laid the foundation of democracy… The Prophet was a great teacher. He was a great lawgiver. He was a great statesman and a great sovereign who ruled. No doubt, there are many people who do not quite appreciate when we talk of Islam. Islam is not only a set of rituals, traditions and spiritual doctrines. Islam is also a code for every Muslim, which regulates his life and his conduct in even politics and economics and the like. It is
based upon highest principles of honour, integrity, fair play and justice for all. One God and the equality of man is one of the fundamental principles of Islam. In Islam there is no difference between man and man. The qualities of
equality, liberty and fraternity are the fundamental principles in Islam.”

Also in the same speech,
“What reason is there for anyone to fear democracy, equality, freedom on the highest standard of integrity and on the basis of fair play and justice for everybody… Let us make it (the constitution of Pakistan). We shall make it and we will show it to the world.”

On 14th February 1948 in Sibi Darbar,
“It is my belief that our salvation lies in following the golden rules of conduct set for us by our great lawgiver, The Prophet of Islam. Let us lay the foundations of our democracy on the basis of truly Islamic ideals and principles. Our Almighty has taught us that “Our decisions in the affairs of state shall be guided by discussions and consultations.”

Also in Feb. 1948 in his broadcast to people of United States of America, ”The Constitution of Pakistan is yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know that the ultimate shape of this Constitution will be, but I am sure that it will be of the democratic type, embodying the essential principles of Islam. Today they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fair play to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions, and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as the framers of the future Constitution of Pakistan.”

And also in Feb. 1948 in his broadcast to the people of Australia,
“The great majority of us are Muslims. We follow the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). We are members of the brotherhood of Islam in which all are equal in right, dignity and self-respect. Consequently we have a special and a very deep sense of unity. But make no mistake: Pakistan is not a theocracy
or anything like it. Islam demands from us the tolerance of other creeds and we welcome in closest association with us all those who, of whatever creed,are themselves willing and ready to play their part as true and loyal citizens of Pakistan.”

In a Press Conference held in New Delhi on 4th July 1947, Quaid-I-Azam answered certain questions which were put to him regarding the nature of state of Pakistan.

Q: Will Pakistan be a secular or theocratic state?
A: You are asking me a question that is absurd. I do not know what a theocratic state means…
(A correspondent suggested that a theocratic state meant a state where only people of a particular religion, for example Muslims would be full citizens and non-muslims would not be full citizens.)
A: Then it seems to me that what I have already said is like pouring water on the duck’s back laughter).
When you talk of democracy, I am afraid you have not studies Islam. We learnt democracy thirteen centuries ago.

In an interview reported in the Press on 25th January 1948 Mr. Jinnah said that,

“he could not understand a section of people who deliberately wanted to create mischief and made propaganda that the Constitution of Pakistan would not be made on the basis of Shariat…” He further said that “not only the muslims but also the non-muslims have nothing to fear.”

You say you don't care what quid e azam was right? But the biggest example, the Prophet Muhammad SAW was the biggest liberal(my definition, not the Pakistani one)
I mean see here:
1)Liberals are thin and muscular; it's reported that the Prophet SAW had a perfect diet, and he was rather muscular. Non liberal mullas are fat and obese and weak.
2)Liberals keept their hair, facial or head, neat and clean; the Prophet SAW did the same. While most non liberal mullas have unkempt and unruly shaggy hair and beards
3)People would openly debate and question the Prophet SAW and he would patiently reply - liberals do the same. Mullas would jump on you and try to give fatwas if they dont have an answer
4)The Prophet SAW cared for all of humanity without discrimination, one of the meaning of liberal is they dont discriminate. Mullas on the other hand only care about themselves
And many more.
Jinnah RA or the Prophet SAW both had the same message of tolerance.

 

[Redbull]

You say you don't care what quid e azam was right? But the biggest example, the Prophet Muhammad SAW was the biggest liberal(my definition, not the Pakistani one)
I mean see here:
1)Liberals are thin and muscular; it's reported that the Prophet SAW had a perfect diet, and he was rather muscular. Non liberal mullas are fat and obese and weak.
2)Liberals keept their hair, facial or head, neat and clean; the Prophet SAW did the same. While most non liberal mullas have unkempt and unruly shaggy hair and beards
3)People would openly debate and question the Prophet SAW and he would patiently reply - liberals do the same. Mullas would jump on you and try to give fatwas if they dont have an answer
4)The Prophet SAW cared for all of humanity without discrimination, one of the meaning of liberal is they dont discriminate. Mullas on the other hand only care about themselves
And many more.
Jinnah RA or the Prophet SAW both had the same message of tolerance.

Just to correct you, the way one decides to look does not define how liberal they are-----the rest was good.

 

[Zarvan]

Err, he looked and acted the same till his last breath, he was always a good muslim, he was also always a liberal.
You're an idiot who cant tell the difference between secular and liberal

Sir Islam is Islam and it gives dam about so called secular and liberals it has its own law and those have to be implemented by Muslims who are living in a land

You say you don't care what quid e azam was right? But the biggest example, the Prophet Muhammad SAW was the biggest liberal(my definition, not the Pakistani one)
I mean see here:
1)Liberals are thin and muscular; it's reported that the Prophet SAW had a perfect diet, and he was rather muscular. Non liberal mullas are fat and obese and weak.
2)Liberals keept their hair, facial or head, neat and clean; the Prophet SAW did the same. While most non liberal mullas have unkempt and unruly shaggy hair and beards
3)People would openly debate and question the Prophet SAW and he would patiently reply - liberals do the same. Mullas would jump on you and try to give fatwas if they dont have an answer
4)The Prophet SAW cared for all of humanity without discrimination, one of the meaning of liberal is they dont discriminate. Mullas on the other hand only care about themselves
And many more.
Jinnah RA or the Prophet SAW both had the same message of tolerance.


You say you don't care what quid e azam was right? But the biggest example, the Prophet Muhammad SAW was the biggest liberal(my definition, not the Pakistani one)
I mean see here:
1)Liberals are thin and muscular; it's reported that the Prophet SAW had a perfect diet, and he was rather muscular. Non liberal mullas are fat and obese and weak.
2)Liberals keept their hair, facial or head, neat and clean; the Prophet SAW did the same. While most non liberal mullas have unkempt and unruly shaggy hair and beards
3)People would openly debate and question the Prophet SAW and he would patiently reply - liberals do the same. Mullas would jump on you and try to give fatwas if they dont have an answer
4)The Prophet SAW cared for all of humanity without discrimination, one of the meaning of liberal is they dont discriminate. Mullas on the other hand only care about themselves
And many more.
Jinnah RA or the Prophet SAW both had the same message of tolerance.

Hazrat MUHAMMAD SAW taught Islam and Islam teaches everything also tolerance and also to fight those who are enemies of Islam his massage is everything so don't try to bring your crap theory of liberalism

 

[Myth_buster_1]

You're such a ***** and a know-it-all, you think you sound intelligent? You're not gonna get anywhere in life with your huge over inflated ego, lose the attitude and act like a grownup.

Resorting to such low level language is a trade mark of people like you. You have yet to display any maturity before telling other to grow up.

 

[KS]

May Abdul Kalam Azad burn in hell for the fitna he spread, may Allah give jinnah RA the highest honor in heaven and closeness to the Prophet SAW

What happens in Pakistan stays in Pakistan. Abul Kalam Azad was an Indian. So reserve your judgement about him. If your God doesnt give him jannat, then I worship my God that he grants Abul Kalam Azad swarga.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Err, he looked and acted the same till his last breath, he was always a good muslim, he was also always a liberal.
You're an idiot who cant tell the difference between secular and liberal

Ladies and gentlemen I present to you a perfect example of a deluded fanboy who is blinded by the truth.
Acted Islamiclay til the last breath? How many times did he perform hajj or umerah? Any historical facts about him observing 5 times daily prayers? Did he ever fasted? before you label anyone a pious leader make sure you have sufficient evidence to back it up other wise you will sound like a pathetic fanboy troll (which you are).

 

[Redbull]

Evidence is not needed, the fact that no one observed him praying 5 times a day and other private Islamic acts is a testament to his piety.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

i was born to Shiia parents but I'm a Pakistani/Muslim FIRST

 

[Myth_buster_1]

You say you don't care what quid e azam was right? But the biggest example, the Prophet Muhammad SAW was the biggest liberal(my definition, not the Pakistani one)
I mean see here:

Not surprised such a blasphemous and abortive definition is yours.

1)Liberals are thin and muscular; it's reported that the Prophet SAW had a perfect diet, and he was rather muscular. Non liberal mullas are fat and obese and weak.

Jinnah was a weak skinny man where as the prophet was physically fit.

2)Liberals keept their hair, facial or head, neat and clean; the Prophet SAW did the same. While most non liberal mullas have unkempt and unruly shaggy hair and beards

Jinnah was a clean SHAVED man! Did not fallow any prophet's traditions.

3)People would openly debate and question the Prophet SAW and he would patiently reply - liberals do the same. Mullas would jump on you and try to give fatwas if they dont have an answer

Even a jamadar will slap you for putting up such a pathetic argument.

The Prophet SAW cared for all of humanity without discrimination, one of the meaning of liberal is they dont discriminate. Mullas on the other hand only care about themselves
And many more.

rrrrrright.

Jinnah RA or the Prophet SAW both had the same message of tolerance.

Dont you dare ever associate Prophet saw with a dirty man! Prophet Mohammed acted upon his words meaning he established a islamic society where as your leader bowed to british ambitions even before being ordered.
Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
August 11, 1947
"Today, you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist; what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen of Great Britain and they are all members of the Nation. "Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State. "

 

[Redbull]

Dont you dare ever associate Prophet saw with a dirty man! Prophet Mohammed acted upon his words meaning he established a islamic society where as your leader bowed to british ambitions even before being ordered.
Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
August 11, 1947
"Today, you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist; what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen of Great Britain and they are all members of the Nation. "Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State. "

And care to justify why you have labelled Jinnah, the father of our nation, a dirty man? Secularism is the ideal of the Prophet PBUH and Jinnah. I don't see anything wrong with what he said.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

seems we have some traitors in our ranks.....

Have some RESPECT for those that worked hard for the PAKISTANI CAUSE.

 

[Armstrong]

seems we have some traitors in our ranks.....

Have some RESPECT for those that worked hard for the PAKISTANI CAUSE.

Why are you wasting your time ? Jo apnei baaap ka nahin howaaa woh kahi ka Pakistani and if so then to hell with what he thinks !

 

[Myth_buster_1]

And care to justify why you have labelled Jinnah, the father of our nation, a dirty man? Secularism is the ideal of the Prophet PBUH and Jinnah. I don't see anything wrong with what he said.

If anyone from modern day is compared or associated with the characters of the prophet is indeed a "dirty" man which includes myself.

The most common and simplest definition of secularism is exclusion of religion from state's affairs. Only a fool would imagine that the glorious prophet was a secular when he himself established a governance system based on Islamic principles which means inclusion of religion in state's matter.

seems we have some traitors in our ranks.....

Have some RESPECT for those that worked hard for the PAKISTANI CAUSE.

So for secularists a person who criticizes religion is exercising his freedom of expression but if a person who questions the leader of a nation is then ridiculed for being a traitor. Got it.

Why are you wasting your time ? Jo apnei baaap ka nahin howaaa woh kahi ka Pakistani and if so then to hell with what he thinks !

you admitted yourself that jinnah is your real baap. Im sure your current baap will not be happy to hear that.