Would an Arab defense industry group work?

[The SC]

I have officially heard it all now.

Yep..including the false accusations about WMD..

 

[OCguy]

Yep..including the false accusations about WMD..

Unrelated. Gulf War I was undeniably about strategic oil reserves and Saddam.

 

[The SC]

What are you talking about? You cited Al-Hujurat 49:9 to justify your misery, and now, you are telling me that I associate it with Kuran. I truly didn't know US is an Islamic country.

I read, US troops 'pouring into Saudi Arabia'

Go eat your misery buddy..and chose a little corner to cry in.. you read what you want and out of context..On topic now please..

Unrelated. Gulf War I was undeniably about strategic oil reserves and Saddam.

That is but an alibi..

 

[Philip the Arab]

@The SC
So you don't think these countries could work on joint projects as Europe does? The projects don't have to be complex as aircraft, or tanks and could simply be MANPADS, or MANPATS.

Think of something like this could work between 4-5 Arab countries.

 

[The SC]

@The SC
So you don't think these countries could work on joint projects as Europe does? The projects don't have to be complex as aircraft, or tanks and could simply be MANPADS, or MANPATS.

Think of something like this could work between 4-5 Arab countries.

Yes but first every Arab country needs to have its own defence industry..and should be compatible.. just like the Europeans

 

[cabatli_53]

@The SC
So you don't think these countries could work on joint projects as Europe does? The projects don't have to be complex as aircraft, or tanks and could simply be MANPADS, or MANPATS.

Think of something like this could work between 4-5 Arab countries.

Which Arab states have serious knowledge and infrastructure on sub-component level to contribute to a joint-complete missile system for example?

 

[Philip the Arab]

Which Arab states have serious knowledge and infrastructure on sub-component level to contribute to a joint-complete missile system for example?

Well, Jordan for example has the tech for ATGMs which they acquired from the Ukrainian Corsar in an agreement some years ago. Off of this system a bigger missile system with better penetration and performance using similar guidance systems (SACLOS) could be made with or without cooperation with other Arab states.



Also, although less significant Jordan is developing a new RPG with better penetration, and range but is bigger which should limit the weapon to vehicles. Please next time do your research before commenting when all the information you need is online.


A quote from an article. https://21stcenturyasianarmsrace.com/2018/08/03/jordan-can-now-build-anti-tank-missiles/
"For Jordan to have locally made anti-tank missiles shows its military-industrial development is a lot more results driven than wealthier Arab neighbors like Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE. Should additional FGM Javelin missiles for its army be too expensive or inaccessible, an alternative is developing a larger fire-and-forget missile for the Terminator. At this point, nothing is impossible."

 

[cabatli_53]

Well Jordan for example has the tech for ATGMs which they acquired from the Ukrainian Corsar in an agreement some years ago. Off of this system a bigger missile system with better penetration and performance using similar guidance systems (SACLOS) could be made with or without cooperation with other Arab states.

Also, although less significant Jordan is developing a new RPG with better penetration, and range but is bigger which should limit the weapon to vehicles.

There are lots of differences between you and me. I am asking this question because I know What is going on behind the scene while you are being proud with the name of a few summarized words about systems from net so It is normal to advice me to check the sources before talking.

Technology is a large term to describe the knowledge of a state. If you do not have sufficient engineering, R&D activity to fill inside the term of technology, It will cause you to be more dependent on foreign source. It is not important whether you consider it as gaining “technology” of a critical system. Let me tell you this situation with one example. You received the technology of an IIR seeker (for exm) Russia has teached you Which components should be used and How to assemble many component to develop a working sensor and then You commenced to produce them under the licence of original manufacturer with relying on components and principles of them. Later, You realized that IIR seeker itself requires many variety of engineering expertise and infrastructure from Germanium based crystal synthesis, sensitive Lens manufacturing process, thin film covering tech, cooling systems, microbolometers, infrared detector technology, optro-mechanic knowledge, electronic circuits embeded softwares analysing sights to determine correct paths, actuator control units to guide missile...etc. To make a working seeker head, More than 10-12 different institutes are putting their knowledge on the table so Your country should have also a background R&D effort to fill the inside of this “technology” to sustain development, If you want to benefit from it to be self sufficient because Noone teachs you about sub-components. There is not a tech transfer understanding like that in World. At the end of the day, You have to keep purchasing those components from abroad to use your “technology” in your productions. When you wanted to export your indigenous system produced with same technology, You actually sell original manufacturer’s sub-products to the countries where they allow you to export. That is the new generation dependency under the name of technology transfer deals. That is why I have asked you which Arab states have knowledge on sub-component level?

 

[Philip the Arab]

Technology is a large term to describe the knowledge of a state. If you do not have sufficient engineering, R&D activity to fill inside the term of technology, It will cause you to be more dependent on foreign source. It is not important whether you consider it as gaining “technology” of a critical system. Let me tell you this situation with one example. You received the technology of an IIR seeker (for exm) Russia has teached you Which components should be used and How to assemble many component to develop a working sensor and then You commenced to produce them under the licence of original manufacturer with relying on components and principles of them. Later, You realized that IIR seeker itself requires many variety of engineering expertise and infrastructure from Germanium based crystal synthesis, sensitive Lens manufacturing process, thin film covering tech, cooling systems, infrared detector technology, optro-mechanic knowledge, electronic circuits embeded softwares analysing sights to determine correct paths, actuator control units to guide missile...etc. To make a working seeker head, More than 10-12 different institutes are putting their knowledge on the table so Your country should have also a background R&D effort to fill the inside of this “technology” to sustain development, If you want to benefit from it to be self sufficient because Noone teachs you about sub-components. There is not a tech transfer understanding like that in World. At the end of the day, You have to keep purchasing those components from abroad to use your “technology” in your productions. When you wanted to export your indigenous system produced with same technology, You actually sell original manufacturer’s sub-products to the countries where they allow you to export. That is the new generation dependency under the name of technology transfer deals. That is why I have asked you which Arab states have knowledge on sub-component level?

Well for now Arab countries have a small amount of knowledge on a sub-component level but look at Iran, they had almost no knowledge about subsystems on say the TOW missile or any other missile but succeeded in reverse engineering it in a matter of years. What are your thoughts on that?

 

[Ceylal]

Well for now Arab countries have a small amount of knowledge on a sub-component level but look at Iran, they had almost no knowledge about subsystems on say the TOW missile or any other missile but succeeded in reverse engineering it in a matter of years. What are your thoughts on that?

Iranians are not Arabs...that is the big difference...one is highly educated, the other ...well no English word to describe them..

 

[Philip the Arab]

Iranians are not Arabs...that is the big difference...one is highly educated, the other ...well no English word to describe them..

Well that's highly racist and untrue. Arabs have made discoveries and breakthroughs in science back in the Islamic Golden Age but now since the Arab world is in conflict most Arabs don't. Besides, an Israeli Arab scientist recently made a breathalyzer that can test for diseases which I doubt the Iranians could make.

 

[Ceylal]

Well that's highly racist and untrue. Arabs have made discoveries and breakthroughs in science back in the Islamic Golden Age but now since the Arab world is in conflict most Arabs don't. Besides, an Israeli Arab scientist recently made a breathalyzer that can test for diseases which I doubt the Iranians could make.

There is nothing racist in my comment, it reality...Look where Iran is after decades of embargo and sanctions and where Arab states are with all their wealth..they are still drinking camel urine, everything that they use is imported...to this day!

 

[Philip the Arab]

There is nothing racist in my comment, it reality...Look where Iran is after decades of embargo and sanctions and where Arab states are with all their wealth..they are still drinking camel urine, everything that they use is imported...to this day!

Please change Arab states to Gulf states.

 

[Ceylal]

Please change Arab states to Gulf states.

Gulf states are not Arabs?

 

[Philip the Arab]

Gulf states are not Arabs?

They are much richer than most other Arab states and the other Arabs don't act the same as them.