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At least seven people have been killed after a suicide bomber blew himself up in Afghanistan's northern Baghlan province.

Police said the bomber targeted worshippers returning from the Eid al-Adha prayer marking the beginning of one of the largest Muslim holidays.
Six civilians and one police officer was killed in Sunday's attack.

Worshippers killed in Afghanistan attack - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English
 
RIP to the dead. Whoever kills innocent civilians (especially on Eid ul Azha) will be punished severely by God. Pakistan also had 5 of its troops killed today by terrorists in North Waziristan.
 
RIP to dead

Find out masterminds of these evil terrorists and burn them all alive who have no human feelings. :angry:
 
RIP to the dead. Whoever kills innocent civilians (especially on Eid ul Azha) will be punished severely by God. Pakistan also had 5 of its troops killed today by terrorists in North Waziristan.

RIP to dead

Find out masterminds of these evil terrorists and burn them all alive who have no human feelings.

believe me guys, these people have a f**ked up minds, i am telling this from my very personal experience with them, some experience which goes not long ago. They have horrific ideas, very dangerous, and no matter what you do/tell, they stubornly rubbish you off. They are ready to go to any extend for their moronic cause.
 
believe me guys, these people have a f**ked up minds, i am telling this from my very personal experience with them, some experience which goes not long ago. They have horrific ideas, very dangerous, and no matter what you do/tell, they stubornly rubbish you off. They are ready to go to any extend for their moronic cause.

Everyone wants a peaceful Afghanistan where the Afghan people are responsible for their own (& country's) fate. What is shocking is the slander against the Pakistan military/Armed Forces, accusing them of supporting terrorists, when these people are killing Pakistani troops everyday. I think the attack on Pakistani troops in North Waziristan proves my point.
 
Everyone wants a peaceful Afghanistan where the Afghan people are responsible for their own (& country's) fate. What is shocking is the slander against the Pakistan military/Armed Forces, accusing them of supporting terrorists, when these people are killing Pakistani troops everyday. I think the attack on Pakistani troops in North Waziristan proves my point.

again, the question of bad and good taliban arises. I am sure PA is fighting the taliban, but only part of it.
 
again, the question of bad and good taliban arises. I am sure PA is fighting the taliban, but only part of it.

I don't think so. People said that the terrorists in North Waziristan did not kill Pakistani troops, but that was wrong as well. There have been constant ISI (or alleged ISI) spies killed in North Waziristan before as well. You need to visit Hekmatyar's statements on Pakistan as well. The Afghan terrorists hate the ISI & the Pakistan Army, & say that they are the slaves of America working for them.

The Pakistani troops do not make distinctions between terrorists, Afghan (not TTP) terrorists have killed Pakistani troops in the past, & continue to do so. The only reason why Pakistan has not engaged in a North Waziristan operation is because it does not have the resources to do so, & is completely stretched out. It is conducting full scale operations in South Waziristan, Kurram, Khyber, Orakzai, Mohmand, Dir & Malakand Agencies simultaneously. From the killings of Pakistan troops in North Waziristan, it looks as if they are getting engaged in that region as well.
 
I don't think so. People said that the terrorists in North Waziristan did not kill Pakistani troops, but that was wrong as well. There have been constant ISI (or alleged ISI) spies killed in North Waziristan before as well. You need to visit Hekmatyar's statements on Pakistan as well. The Afghan terrorists hate the ISI & the Pakistan Army, & say that they are the slaves of America working for them.

The Pakistani troops do not make distinctions between terrorists, Afghan (not TTP) terrorists have killed Pakistani troops in the past, & continue to do so. The only reason why Pakistan has not engaged in a North Waziristan operation is because it does not have the resources to do so, & is completely stretched out. It is conducting full scale operations in South Waziristan, Kurram, Khyber, Orakzai, Mohmand, Dir & Malakand Agencies simultaneously. From the killings of Pakistan troops in North Waziristan, it looks as if they are getting engaged in that region as well.

Well, as i said before, PA have only engaged in SW with the taliban that are a threat to Pakistan only. Those elements do exist in NW as well, but in a smaller scale compare to SW. As per Hekmatyar and some Taliban members, they are basically accusing Pakistan of a double game, see what Mullah Zaef is saying and see what some other taliban do say: For a Taliban commander fighting well-resourced foreign forces, help from the Pakistani intelligence service is a shameful necessity.In a sign of how freely insurgents – or at least unarmed ones – can move around even the most heavily policed areas of the most sensitive parts of the Afghan capital, Kabul, the militant agreed to meet the Guardian in one of Kabul's ritziest restaurants, in a hotel-shopping complex, where he bemoaned the ISI's influence."Whoever disrespects your country and interferes in it is your enemy, but sometimes you need to ask for help from your enemies," said the wiry 52-year-old, as he scooped up food with bark-like hands, hardened by his day job as a farmer.

None of the well-heeled Afghan diners and foreign contractors batted an eyelid as the thickly bearded man – who cannot be named – helped himself to rice and barbecue chicken from the buffet.

Because of orders "from superiors" to talk to foreign media, he had been prepared to travel by taxi for several hours from his village. He passed easily through the extra security laid on for the second day of President Hamid Karzai's peace jirga – a gathering he said was controlled by the Afghan president's foreign backers and was therefore pointless.

Two nights earlier, the commander and his band of a dozen insurgents in Wardak province, just south of the capital, had attacked members of a local US-backed militia. They successfully blew up their Ford Ranger truck, killing one militiaman and wounding three others.

As with the nine Taliban field commanders who met the author of the LSE report on the ISI's connections to the Taliban, he spoke freely about his unease at the role of Pakistan's spy agency, which he blamed for attacks where ordinary Afghans were killed or hurt.
He said: "We do everything we can to avoid civilian causalities. But there are different types of Taliban – there are those like me and there are those that follow direction from the ISI. Those are the kind that kill elders and attack schools. They don't want to have schools in this society. They want to keep Afghanistan in the darkness of no education."Some western officials hope that such anti-Pakistani sentiment will encourage some insurgents to stop fighting as part of a "reconciliation" process. One senior diplomat recently said that the two greatest inducements to Taliban fighters were the opportunity to return home from Pakistan and to get out of the grip of the ISI.

The arrest in Pakistan of a former senior Taliban commander, Mullah Baradar, in February is now regarded by analysts as a bid by the ISI to prevent the Afghan Taliban from unilaterally opening peace talks with Karzai's government.

The commander who spoke to the Guardian interpreted things slightly differently, but still saw it as an example of Pakistan's untrustworthiness. "They handed over one of best operations people in exchange for lots of dollars," he said.

"On the one side they are helping us, but on the other side when the Americans pay more money they hand him over."
A former head of vehicle registration for Kabul during the Taliban regime of the late 1990s, he said he only joined the insurgency to "protect myself and my country against foreign troops".

For a couple of years after the Taliban regime was toppled by the US-led invasion in 2001 he remained out of the fight, gradually becoming increasingly sceptical about a government that appeared to be corrupt and incapable of delivering on its promises.

But it was when people started being arrested during raids by US soldiers hunting for al-Qaida and the Taliban that he felt he had no choice but to join the insurgents.

"I had no choice; where else could I get money and bullets to protect myself and my family? Imagine if I was taken during a night raid by the Americans to Bagram or Guantánamo? Then my honour and religion would be at risk."
 
Well, as i said before, PA have only engaged in SW with the taliban that are a threat to Pakistan only.

Of course Pakistan is only engaging itself with the terrorists that are threatening it. That doesn't mean it is supporting the rest, or that the other terrorist groups that aren't currently threatening Pakistan don't see the Pakistan Army as an enemy. In fact, as Pakistan is opening up more fronts with different terrorist groups in more regions, these other groups are starting to pose threats to the Pakistan Army as well. The attacks in North Waziristan demonstrate that.

As per Hekmatyar and some Taliban members, they are basically accusing Pakistan of a double game

Not really, they see the Pakistan Army serving the interests of America, & they view the Pakistan Armed Forces & Military as the enemy. Contact has been maintained between the ISI & the Taliban/Haqqanis, just like the CIA has contacts with all these groups that it is fighting, that does not mean that the Taliban is friendly with Pakistan, or doesn't think of them as an enemy. Even Obama himself has said there is no clear intelligence/evidence linking ISI to the Haqqanis, or the ISI supporting the Haqqanis. These are the facts, let us just stick with them.

For a Taliban commander fighting well-resourced foreign forces, help from the Pakistani intelligence service is a shameful necessity. In a sign of how freely insurgents – or at least unarmed ones – can move around even the most heavily policed areas of the most sensitive parts of the Afghan capital, Kabul, the militant agreed to meet the Guardian in one of Kabul's ritziest restaurants, in a hotel-shopping complex, where he bemoaned the ISI's influence.


I'm sorry, I do not believe random BBC documentaries interviewing alleged low level Taliban fighters. They, & their words have no credibility. Or London School of Economics Reports on terrorism.

Let us stick to the facts & the events on the ground, nothing more. After the facts on the ground, even Western pundits have started to move past the baseless speculation of ISI controlling the Taliban/Haqqanis in Afghanistan, & admitted that Pakistan cannot be expected to deliver the Taliban or the Haqqanis to the negotiating table, as they are their own entity & not controlled by the ISI.
 
Of course Pakistan is only engaging itself with the terrorists that are threatening it. That doesn't mean it is supporting the rest, or that the other terrorist groups that aren't currently threatening Pakistan don't see the Pakistan Army as an enemy. In fact, as Pakistan is opening up more fronts with different terrorist groups in more regions, these other groups are starting to pose threats to the Pakistan Army as well. The attacks in North Waziristan demonstrate that.



Not really, they see the Pakistan Army serving the interests of America, & they view the Pakistan Armed Forces & Military as the enemy. Contact has been maintained between the ISI & the Taliban/Haqqanis, just like the CIA has contacts with all these groups that it is fighting, that does not mean that the Taliban is friendly with Pakistan, or doesn't think of them as an enemy. Even Obama himself has said there is no clear intelligence/evidence linking ISI to the Haqqanis, or the ISI supporting the Haqqanis. These are the facts, let us just stick with them.



I'm sorry, I do not believe random BBC documentaries interviewing alleged low level Taliban fighters. They, & their words have no credibility. Or London School of Economics Reports on terrorism.

Let us stick to the facts & the events on the ground, nothing more. After the facts on the ground, even Western pundits have started to move past the baseless speculation of ISI controlling the Taliban/Haqqanis in Afghanistan, & admitted that Pakistan cannot be expected to deliver the Taliban or the Haqqanis to the negotiating table, as they are their own entity & not controlled by the ISI.

Well, talking about facts, it is a trend that take us all to one direction no matter what. See what Gul says about Haqani(i think he mentions hekmatyar's name as well??) and group of his fighters:

 
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Well, talking about facts, it is a trend that take us all to one direction no matter what. See what Gul says about Haqani(i think he mentions hekmatyar's name as well??) and group of his fighters:


Gul is a 'Jihadi'. He was the ISI chief when they had good relations with the Mujahideen. Many of the Taliban fighters today are not the ones of the times of the Mujahideen, hence, there is no such relationship between the Taliban & the ISI today that there was between the ISI & the Mujahideen. Gul does not have any say in the ISI today, the ISI has gone through severe reformations since his time in 1987, he is still thinking with his oldschool Jihadi mentality against the Soviets, it's a completely different situation today. The Taliban fighters today severely dislike the ISI & the Pakistan Army, & think of them as stooges of the West & America. The Taliban today are a different generation of fighters from the Mujahideen, & they have no respect for the ISI or the Pakistan Armed Forces.
 
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i thought some taliban guy went out and said that they would stop the attacks during Eid?
 
Of course Pakistan is only engaging itself with the terrorists that are threatening it. That doesn't mean it is supporting the rest, or that the other terrorist groups that aren't currently threatening Pakistan don't see the Pakistan Army as an enemy. In fact, as Pakistan is opening up more fronts with different terrorist groups in more regions, these other groups are starting to pose threats to the Pakistan Army as well. The attacks in North Waziristan demonstrate that.

ISI directed attack on indian consulate? new fronts you are talking about -


Not really, they see the Pakistan Army serving the interests of America, & they view the Pakistan Armed Forces & Military as the enemy. Contact has been maintained between the ISI & the Taliban/Haqqanis, just like the CIA has contacts with all these groups that it is fighting, that does not mean that the Taliban is friendly with Pakistan, or doesn't think of them as an enemy. Even Obama himself has said there is no clear intelligence/evidence linking ISI to the Haqqanis, or the ISI supporting the Haqqanis. These are the facts, let us just stick with them.

If they are banned or publicly declared terrorists, ISI will immediately ensure there exodus into safehouses like osama. Right move not to declare the haqqanis as terrorists,, just keep firing those hell-fires



I'm sorry, I do not believe random BBC documentaries interviewing alleged low level Taliban fighters. They, & their words have no credibility. Or London School of Economics Reports on terrorism.
US state department is a liar, BBC is a liar, wahington posts are liars.. indians are liars, Reuters are liars, hillary/obama/cameron/etc all liars, every independent agency related to WoT is pointing fingers at pakistan is a liar... the only one who are saying the truth is the ISI, right?


Let us stick to the facts & the events on the ground, nothing more. After the facts on the ground, even Western pundits have started to move past the baseless speculation of ISI controlling the Taliban/Haqqanis in Afghanistan, & admitted that Pakistan cannot be expected to deliver the Taliban or the Haqqanis to the negotiating table, as they are their own entity & not controlled by the ISI.

Are you sure about that, are the haqqanis now -producing the mines, rpgs, grenades ak 47's and the ammunition from thin air. stop living in denial, its becoming funny now
 
Gul is a 'Jihadi'. He was the ISI chief when they had good relations with the Mujahideen. Many of the Taliban fighters today are not the ones of the times of the Mujahideen, hence, there is no such relationship between the Taliban & the ISI today that there was between the ISI & the Mujahideen. Gul does not have any say in the ISI today, the ISI has gone through severe reformations since his time in 1987, he is still thinking with his oldschool Jihadi mentality against the Soviets, it's a completely different situation today. The Taliban fighters today severely dislike the ISI & the Pakistan Army, & think of them as stooges of the West & America. The Taliban today are a different generation of fighters from the Mujahideen, & they have no respect for the ISI or the Pakistan Armed Forces.

Bilal brother, what is it that it is acceptable to you? You dont believe americans, you dont believe us and we have always been called unthankful and silly, you dont believe the taliban, you dont believe your own ex isi man, not everybody is lying.
 
Bilal brother, what is it that it is acceptable to you? You dont believe americans, you dont believe us and we have always been called unthankful and silly, you dont believe the taliban, you dont believe your own ex isi man, not everybody is lying.

I believe in facts on the ground, signified by the events that have taken place in the region, & the facts speak out for themselves. There is a serious doubt about the ability of the ISI, about what it can actually deliver in the Afghan endgame, to the negotiating table. The ISI cannot be expected to bring the Taliban or the Haqqanis to the table, only to facilitate dialog. Pakistan is only important to the Afghan talks post 2014 because Pakistan's stability (& Afghanistan directly affects it) is imperative to the region & the world. However, there is very little Pakistan can do in terms of the Afghan endgame, which is why the Afghan peace process will be 'Afghan led'. The Haqqanis & the Taliban are their own entities, & the ISI does not control them. The ISI only has deep inside information about them & their network (like a good intelligence agency should have), but it does not control the actions of the Taliban or the Haqqanis, & cannot bring them to the table, or force them to do anything they don't want to do. It is really quite simple. The Americans have unfortunately been proven wrong time & time again with their baseless speculations (which are initially reported from Afghan intelligence officers). Gul is out of the loop in the current situation. Gul even said 9/11 & the OBL raid was a hoax.
 

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