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World's Largest and Fastest Biometric Data Collection in Pakistan

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working for agency.. cant be a proof ...
NASA work with ISRO.. does not mean all ISRO system given to NASA..
RAW work with CIA ... does not mean all RAW contact go to CIA ...
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whcih machine you typing now is mostly from usa (softwaere ) or taiwain hardward ( usa allye)
does not mean all your data become vulenrable .. right..
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as software develope works bits and pieces andthen assemble as master key by OEMs .. so does contractor cant access full system with one bit of puzzel ...
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Not quite true on all accounts. here is how, both ISRO and RAW, there is only interfacing. Either NASA or CIA has any access to insides of respective counterparts (hopefully). On third account, yes, my system is completely vulnerable. If they wanted to target me, NSA malwares would be in my system by now (can't say they aren't now either). The real vulnerability is letting the CIA linked contractors run the show, where they have physical as well as network access to all the servers where data resides. How on earth UAIDI can ensure that isn't leaked?
 
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What about ummah then ? Afghanis are now excluded from ummah chummah ? Such frail bonds of Islam in Pakistan. Umh....
Collective muslims as a whole are called Ummah.
Ummah is divided into states by ethnicity and race. They are all equal but divided for the purpose of having nation states.
Afghanistan is a separate country (nation-state) so it's citizens should live there.
They get deported from Pakistan because they harbor terrorists, involved in lots of illegal crime like extortion, murders, kidnappings etc and are also burden on our economy and culture.
Thus they are sent back. Simple logic if you're willing to open the blinds of hatred.
 
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Not quite true on all accounts. here is how, both ISRO and RAW, there is only interfacing. Either NASA or CIA has any access to insides of respective counterparts (hopefully). On third account, yes, my system is completely vulnerable. If they wanted to target me, NSA malwares would be in my system by now (can't say they aren't now either). The real vulnerability is letting the CIA linked contractors run the show, where they have physical as well as network access to all the servers where data resides. How on earth UAIDI can ensure that isn't leaked?
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How on earth UAIDI can ensure that isn't leaked?
this is right question and approach... dear
no system is full proof but no system is not that vulnerable too ...
epsionage is art and skill with hand mind and tech
all our national correcspondace is from gmail .. yahoo .. US comapnies..
google can track ips of scineits key minitres what they serahcing for and whom and can build somthing good
if you and i understnad it so the uppear brasss ..
so things taken care of..
what you ask is rihg question.. but all question cant be explained but undersntad .. with good faith is all you can do .
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can anyone tell how NADRA protec data ? store data ? any theft incindent?
 
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How on earth UAIDI can ensure that isn't leaked?
this is right question and approach... dear
no system is full proof but no system is not that vulnerable too ...
epsionage is art and skill with hand mind and tech
all our national correcspondace is from gmail .. yahoo .. US comapnies..
google can track ips of scineits key minitres what they serahcing for and whom and can build somthing good
if you and i understnad it so the uppear brasss ..
so things taken care of..
what you ask is rihg question.. but all question cant be explained but undersntad .. with good faith is all you can do .
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can anyone tell how NADRA protec data ? store data ? any theft incindent?
Well, first thing is not to let the most probable thief anywhere near the asset (database). Well, we all know how that went...
 
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That's your logic ? You think those afghanis, a majority of them poor refugees, are responsible for APC massacre ?
Who said that?
All I said is that they are involved in lots of crime and illegal things and I'm not wrong. Ask any other Pakistani member here and they'll also tell you.
And also, these TTP people have their safe havens in Afghanistan only, so yeah.

What about Islam ? You forget Islam while sending fellow Muslims out of your roads where they are living like refugees ?
What does being Muslim have to do with that? If someone commits a crime they have to be punished it's a simple rule followed everywhere around the world and the Quran says that basic foundations of a nation must have a good justice system. So if you commit crime, you have to be punished. More so if you're illegally residing in the country.

You take Islam's name, Muhammad's name in killing Muslims ? And turning Muslims out for the same operation named after your prophet ?
We take Islam's name to kill those who tarnish Islam's name. These TTP rented terrorists are not muslim at all.
If I could find that one video I'd show you. In that video after an operation by Army personnel in Waziristan Agency one Taliban who remained alive was brought back to nearest HQ or check post or whatever. The fellows there recorded a video and asked questions. The guy did not know how many prayers there are in a day (I bet even you know that), could not recite the kalma (basic thing you must say to qualify to become muslim), and did not know any Surah (you must know one to be able to pray) or anything related to Islam but when asked if he wanted Sharia he happily agreed. So you these people are brainwashed idiots who don't know the ABCs of Islam.

If you could just see the irony ! No wonder, the world of islam is in shambles !
There is no Irony here since on one hand we have real Muslims fighting to defend a homeland of over 150 million muslims and on the other side we have brainwashed rented bastards who don't know shit about our religion.
 
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Well, first thing is not to let the most probable thief anywhere near the asset (database). Well, we all know how that went...
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true
but thats ideal case..
slightest of data issue and UID is banned..
SC of india had many hearing of case and must ahve taken its cognizance so better be wathcful like you always but must not over simpliy it...
 
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Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) has completed the biometric verification of 72 million SIMs, The News reports. The first phase of the verification process of over 100 million SIMs started on 12 January. According to the regulator, over 10 million SIMs had been cancelled in the first phase because they were not verified.

The second phase of biometric verification for individuals who have two SIMs issued on their CNIC will has started from 27 February and is scheduled for completion on 14 March. To have their cancelled SIMs reissued, individual customers should pass through the biometric verification process and the SIMs will only be delivered on the address provided.

The third phase will be conducted from 14 March until 12 April. The Biometric Verification System (BVS) imposed by the government is an attempt to increase security by preventing terrorists from using mobile SIM cards for attacks.


Pakistan completes biometric check of 72 mln SIMs - Telecompaper
 
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The complete lack of any form of concerns over privacy in Pakistan, and indeed the rest of the developing world, is a tragedy. When the US initiated mandatory fingerprinting for foreign visitors post-9/11, Pakistan was one of the countries that voiced protest. The idea of treating all visitors as criminals until proven otherwise was at that time an affront to the centuries-old legal principle of "innocent until proven otherwise". But, of course, companies had invested millions in developing biometric technologies and the only way they could make a profit was to make mass fingerprinting a legal and global obligation.

As for this exercise of the world's "largest and fastest" biometric data collection effort, there has been nothing but fulsome praise from everyone on PDF that somehow this is "progress" that will "prevent terrorism". Let us, however consider some issues:

- Pakistan has been collecting citizens' fingerprints since before fingerprint scanners were invented. Once they were invented, they became a mandatory part of the CNIC issuance protocol. Has this in any way helped to reduce or prevent crime and/or terrorist activity in Pakistan?

- It is a known fact that CNICs have been obtained by non-citizens by illegitimate means, and for nefarious purposes. If the existence of the NADRA biometric database has not prevented the deaths of thousands of Pakistanis from terrorism, what makes us believe that a second privately-owned and operated database will fare any better?

- The telcos used the tragedy of 16 December 2014 to launch the present biometric collection drive. One doesn't just launch such a massive technology-based exercise without significant prior infrastructure investments requiring time, effort and money. In other words, they had been working on this for months (years?) and were just waiting for the right moment to operationalize the "give us your freedom in return for security" meme. One can only despair in recalling the following truism from Benjamin Franklin: "Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one"

- There have been persistent reports over the last few years that the NADRA database has been (a) outsourced to a third party; (b) made available to certain foreign governments during Rehman Malik's time as minister; (c) the subject of repeated hacking attempts from foreign countries. Assuming that there is some element of truth in these reports (anything, after all, could have happened in Zardari's time in Government) if a Pak Government database cannot be secured from such intrusion, what guarantee is there that databases managed by private telcos would fare any better?

- Tariq Malik is quoted in the above referred article as suggesting that Big Data "can strengthen the link between citizens and state to enhance state capacity", "tax collection" and "powerful and effective methods for optimizing governance". This implies that there are big plans here, beyond the stated one of tracking terrorists. Pakistan's democratic Government has demonstrated that it will open up the NADRA database to private organizations for "verification purposes", who can, at their whim, block services to the general public as and when they please, just as the telcos are now doing.

As if all of the above concerns weren't enough, the loopholes in this wonderful fastest-and-largest biometric data collection exercise are manifold:

- Joe Terrorist can now simply steal someone's cellphone or SIM Card to do what he wants to do, and destroy an innocent citizen's life in the process
- Someone who doesn't want to give their fingerprint scans to a private organization (and, indeed, why should they?) can merely ask a friend or relative to get a second SIM card that they can happily use
- Foreigners visiting Pakistan are likely to have roaming services turned on and can happily use their foreign SIM cards, and circumvent the entire system, in a manner where there will be no biometric identifier or trail for the police to latch onto

It is quite remarkable that in spite of these issues, repeatedly raised by privacy advocates - and there are other significant legal, moral, ethical and technical issues related to the biometrics industry as a whole - people have bought into the argument that giving your fingerprints to someone else is somehow "progress" that will "stop terrorists".

What a truly sad world we live in today.
 
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@waleed3601 @The Unnamed Afghanis weren't burden they could've lived next 30 years if lived silently but they started making hole in the bowl they were eating in.

Not all of them but process has stared so they'll go through it.

They're welcome even after that in a proper way.

@WebMaster we farwell them in more cordial way, like flower garlands etc to give a gesture we still love them.
 
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Welcome to the world of BIG DATA. It's inescapable regardless of where you are if you use modern means of computing and networking.
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Actually, it has very little to do with Big Data.

Big Data is about being able to process huge volumes of high-dimensionality data efficiently. Biometrics, on the other hand, is about the illusion of control (on the part of certain authorities), sold to the general public in its sugar-coated form as a safety and security measure (which it does not guarantee, as I pointed out above).

One can undertake an exercise in Big Data without mass biometrics collection, whereas the converse is not necessarily true - if you want to be able to process massive amounts of biometric information, Big Data technologies are some of the most effective ways to do so. Thus, vast biometric collection is a choice, and Big Data is merely one of several enablers of that choice.
 
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Actually, it has very little to do with Big Data.

Big Data is about being able to process huge volumes of high-dimensionality data efficiently. Biometrics, on the other hand, is about the illusion of control (on the part of certain authorities), sold to the general public in its sugar-coated form as a safety and security measure (which it does not guarantee, as I pointed out above).

One can undertake an exercise in Big Data without mass biometrics collection, whereas the converse is not necessarily true - if you want to be able to process massive amounts of biometric information, Big Data technologies are some of the most effective ways to do so. Thus, vast biometric collection is a choice, and Big Data is merely one of several enablers of that choice.

As of 2007, NADRA database has both an Automatic Finger Identification System (AFIS) & a Facial Recognition System. • National Data Warehouse • Storage Capacity of 60 Terabytes • Processing Speed of 18 Trillion Instructions/ Sec • Multilingual Support of English/ Urdu/ Sindhi • AFIS with a matching speed of 16 million/sec • World largest Facial Library of 47 million images (ICAO) • Network Infrastructure • Highly redundant, scalable and mission critical • Connected with more than 8000 computers • Equipped Terrestrial, VSAT, and DVB RCS/2 WAN Links

It's big data by any definition of the term.

Read more at
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/...mationSystemReformsforImprovingGovernance.pdf
 
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#Aadhaar, #India’s massive new ID system, suffers high failure rate. Failing to deliver for people http://www.wsj.com/articles/snags-multiply-in-indias-digital-id-rollout-1484237128 … via @WSJ

The government began building the system, called Aadhaar, or “foundation,” with great fanfare in 2009, led by a team of pioneering technology entrepreneurs. Since then, almost 90% of India’s population has been enrolled in what is now the world’s largest biometric data set.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who set aside early skepticism and warmed up to the Aadhaar project after taking power in 2014, is betting that it can help India address critical problems such as poverty and corruption, while also saving money for the government.

But the technology is colliding with the rickety reality of India, where many people live off the grid or have fingerprints compromised by manual labor or age.

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An Aadhaar ID is intended to be a great convenience, replacing the multitude of paperwork required by banks, merchants and government agencies. The benefits are only just beginning, backers say, as the biometric IDs are linked to programs and services.

But in rural areas, home to hundreds of millions of impoverished Indians dependent on subsidies, the impact of technical disruptions has already been evident.

After walking for two hours across rough underbrush in Rajasthan to get kerosene for the month, Hanja Devi left empty-handed because the machine couldn’t match her fingerprint with her Aadhaar number.

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The new system hasn’t eliminated attempts at fraud. In August, police in Rajasthan accused two shop managers of linking their fingerprints to a multitude of cards and stealing for months the rations of dozens of clients.

As for trouble connecting to the registry, better infrastructure, including steadier internet connections, will eventually also help, Mr. Pandey said.

For now, Mr. Prakash has found a way to cope without climbing trees. After scouring the village, he set up a shack in a spot with enough bandwidth to allow his fingerprint scanner to work.

It is hardly efficient. He issues receipts in the morning at the shack, then goes back to his shop to hand out the grains. Customers have to line up twice, sometimes for hours.

Mr. Prakash has applied to the government to operate without biometric identification, but his request was turned down, he said. “They said: ‘You have to keep trying.’ ”
 
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