World's biggest defence budgets

[cross1993]

i am asking are you going to hike the budget to 91billion or not ?

China's 2011 military budget has increased by 67.7 billion RMB(10.3 billion USD).

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

China's 2011 military budget has increased by 67.7 billion RMB(10.3 billion USD).

76+10=86 billion usd..?

but news papers says i was right..it's 91 billion usd.

China said Friday it plans to raise its defense budget by 12 .7 percent to 601 billion yuan (91 .5 billion U .S . dollars ) in 2011, compared with an increase of 7 .5 percent last year
english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90776/90785/7308310.html

 

[casual]

76+10=86 billion usd..?

but news papers says i was right..it's 91 billion usd.

China said Friday it plans to raise its defense budget by 12 .7 percent to 601 billion yuan (91 .5 billion U .S . dollars ) in 2011, compared with an increase of 7 .5 percent last year
english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90776/90785/7308310.html

i think military spending is largely tied to %gdp. china's gdp has grown and the defense spending grows with it.

 

[cross1993]

76+10=86 billion usd..?

but news papers says i was right..it's 91 billion usd.

China said Friday it plans to raise its defense budget by 12 .7 percent to 601 billion yuan (91 .5 billion U .S . dollars ) in 2011, compared with an increase of 7 .5 percent last year
english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90776/90785/7308310.html

Because USD depreciation.
2010, 1 USD = 7RMB
2011, 1 USD = 6RMB

2010, China's defense budget is 532 billion RMB.
2011, China's defense budget is 601 billion RMB.
2010??371.16?-?
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[Chogy]

China is surrounded by the U.S. forces? That's news to me. Conflicts in the past decades, roughly 1950 to 1980, had their roots in Communist expansionism, not U.S. imperialism.

Japan has attacked exactly NOBODY since 1945. North Korea attacked South Korea. The roots of the Vietnam conflict rest again, on communist idealogical expansionism. Since Vietnam ended, where exactly is the threat to China? It is NORTH Korea that is destabilizing the area, with its frightening regime + saber rattling.

International waters are just that, freely navigable by ships of any nation. During the Cold War, Soviet Warships were commonly sighted in the Gulf of Mexico. Even more common were ELINT ships off of the Florida panhandle. No wars started because of them, due to correct recognition of what are international waters.

Circa 1981: Soviet naval combat vessels have entered the Gulf of Mexico 10 times since 1969, once approaching within 20 nautical miles of the United States coastline, The Corpus Christi Caller-Times said today. A nautical mile is 15 percent longer than a statute mile.

The paper said the vessels included 20 guided missile craft and six attack submarines.

 

[below_freezing]

China is surrounded by the U.S. forces? That's news to me. Conflicts in the past decades, roughly 1950 to 1980, had their roots in Communist expansionism, not U.S. imperialism.

Japan has attacked exactly NOBODY since 1945. North Korea attacked South Korea. The roots of the Vietnam conflict rest again, on communist idealogical expansionism. Since Vietnam ended, where exactly is the threat to China? It is NORTH Korea that is destabilizing the area, with its frightening regime + saber rattling.

International waters are just that, freely navigable by ships of any nation. During the Cold War, Soviet Warships were commonly sighted in the Gulf of Mexico. Even more common were ELINT ships off of the Florida panhandle. No wars started because of them, due to correct recognition of what are international waters.

I respectfully disagree. The US has indeed surrounded China in a C shaped curve spanning from Afghanistan to Thailand to Phillipines to South Korea to Japan. It is one of the few countries in the world to have used chemical weapons in a war, and casualties caused by US chemical weapons in Vietnam dwarf that of Saddam Hussein. Vietnam was not begun by "communist expansionism" but by France's futile effort to hold onto Vietnam, then by the "democratic" US backed government cancelling the national elections that were predicted to be won by the Communist Party. All of the tragedies in the past 50 years can be traced to the US's paranoid fear of communism (but no such fear of monarchies, theocracies, or military dictatorships) and its efforts to militarily and economically suppress nations with these political values. Obviously, we can't say different political values, since the US has so many feudal monarchy and military dictatorship friends.

 

[Nomenclature]

The situation China's in is getting more and more like that of early 1800s, when China was the world's biggest economy but politically paralyzed, technologically backward and militarily weak. Oh, with a huge trade surplus too. We all know how did that turn out.

 

[below_freezing]

The situation China's in is getting more and more like that of early 1800s, when China was the world's biggest economy but politically paralyzed, technologically backward and militarily weak. Oh, with a huge trade surplus too. We all know how did that turn out.

If we can put a man in orbit we can put a nuke in orbit. If we can land that same man anywhere we want, we can land that nuke anywhere we want.

the Wall Street regime knows better.

The only problem is internal traitors.

 

[Badabing]

The Chinese spending as a % of GDP actually dropped in 2010 compared to 2005 while 6 out of 10 increased theirs.

As far as US dominance in Asia, there is no arugment there. 32K US soldiers in Japan w/3 air bases, 14 Army, 30 some Navy ones, 30K US soldiers in S. Korea w/2 air bases, 20+ Army ones), 50K soldiers in Iraq, 100K in Afghanistan in active combat, 7th Fleet, Geo W. Aircraft Carrier Battle Group based out of Yokosuka; every few months there is some kind of joint military exercises (guest appearances by other ACBG's) with one or more of China’s neighbors off of or around Chinese shores. Not to mention the US “defense” budget is over 7 times that of China’s and supports 11 ACBG’s, 24 air bases overseas, 85K troops in Europe with 800 known military locations, 350 covert ones all over the World.

What is the big fuss with China’s measly 12% increase in defense budget? She’s the third largest country in the World in land mass, and largest in population, their new budget is still well under what China should have by comparison.

 

[DV RULES]

World Wide Military Expenditures - 2011

World Wide Military Expenditures

 

[Chogy]

. It is one of the few countries in the world to have used chemical weapons in a war, and casualties caused by US chemical weapons in Vietnam dwarf that of Saddam Hussein.

Are you REALLY buying in to the notion that "Agent Orange" was designed as a weapon to kill people?

If so, it'd be very unusual for a nation to dump lethal chemicals designed to kill into an area, and then, insert its own troops into the same area totally unprotected.

Agent Orange was a defoliant. It turned out to be an extremely nasty and toxic one, unfortunately. In much the same way, DDT was used for decades as an insecticide because we did not understand how harmful and persistent it was.

If the U.S. wanted to use intentionally lethal chemical weapons in Vietnam, they would have used VX, GB, Sarin, any of a number of phenominally lethal organophosphate nerve agents that have been around since WW2.

But I understand how attractive it is to say "They used Chemical Weapons." It allows one to mount a pulpit of righteousness, regardless of the accuracy of the statement. The average person doesn't know the difference between an organophosphate and a grignard reagent. But it does sound sexy and cool to declare "chemical weapons were used."

 

[gambit]

Are you REALLY buying in to the notion that "Agent Orange" was designed as a weapon to kill people?

If so, it'd be very unusual for a nation to dump lethal chemicals designed to kill into an area, and then, insert its own troops into the same area totally unprotected.

Agent Orange was a defoliant. It turned out to be an extremely nasty and toxic one, unfortunately. In much the same way, DDT was used for decades as an insecticide because we did not understand how harmful and persistent it was.

If the U.S. wanted to use intentionally lethal chemical weapons in Vietnam, they would have used VX, GB, Sarin, any of a number of phenominally lethal organophosphate nerve agents that have been around since WW2.

But I understand how attractive it is to say "They used Chemical Weapons." It allows one to mount a pulpit of righteousness, regardless of the accuracy of the statement. The average person doesn't know the difference between an organophosphate and a grignard reagent. But it does sound sexy and cool to declare "chemical weapons were used."

Chogy,

The kid is in his early twenties, still in school under daddy's money, never had a real job, never served in the military, and probably never traveled outside of his female scarce province in China. We all understand that one's inexperience in life should be offset by intelligent arguments well supported by sources. This kid can and have done neither.