WORLD VIEW: TURKEY, SAUDI ARABIA AND PAKISTAN SEEK ‘SUNNI UNITY’ VERSUS IRAN

[Rakan.SA]

Hi,

Excuse me for that, what I am asking is What Is ISIS. Didnt saudis Support the moderate rebel which later turned into ISIS or is it something else

no ISIS originated form many groups. it started when america attacked afghanistan then iraq. a sunni resistance started. cuz the shia came into iraq with the americans and the iranian help.
this resistance was made from saddams army and normal sunni tribes and alqaeda. and during the past years they had many names. they got bigger then smaller. it kept going like that for some time. for a few years.
during that time the iraqi government turned iraq into a shia country with shia army and government. assassinations started against sunni ppl. they would get killed by their name sometimes in checkpoints. the sunni ppl suffered for years. some of them decided to revenge the death of their loved ones by joining the islamic resistance.
until arab spring came. ppl in iraq mainly sunni tribes demonstrated for over a year peacefully on the streets.
al-maliki did a dumb mistake and decided to send the army and killed hundreds of innocent ppl including old and young. they just kept shooting anyone in front of them. thats when the sunni tribes decided to join islamic gruop which was also operating in syria. they decided they had enough they were being killed under al-maliki so for them it was better to live with ISIS than maliki or any government working with iran.
and thats how ISIS started.
in syria there are many groups fighting its hard to count. but some of them decided to join ISIS.
saudi never supported ISIS. we only supported FSA. but cuz of the US and UN policy in syria the moderate rebels became weaker and ISIS became stronger.
of course this saved bashar al-asad. cuz the moderate rebels were moving fast and wining, until they got weaker by the international community then ISIS came so bashar is using ISIS now as an excuse.

Turkey is a democratic semi-European country. 90% of its population won't even blow a fart in the general direction of Saudi and Pakistan. Pakistan has been importing Saudi culture for some time and will do so at its own peril. It doesn't hurt anyone but Pakistan itself as I'm sure everybody can agree. Saudis can't even control Yemen.

In the end, all Middle Eastern countries, from Iran to Saudi to Pakistan are losers. Keep at it while the world passes you by.

for argument sake lets say you are right. at least we are doing something for our countries. you ran away like a coward and became a refugee

 

[Mutakalim]

That is not going to work when Iran is supporting the godless Assad to murder 300 000 Syrian women and children. We simply can't stand behind that as principled Muslims. Today Syrians, tomorrow somebody else.

these two regimes i.e saudis and irani mullas are biggest problem of muslim ummah.

 

[Abii]

these two regimes i.e saudis and irani mullas are biggest problem of muslim ummah.

How many thousand Pakistani foot soldiers are currently in Syria and Iraq fighting with the ISIS and AQ banner? How long have you been at war inside your own country? Mullahs and Wahhabis are indeed a problem, but a bigger issue is your ability to get influenced so easily. I would argue that the Pakistani foot soldiers that are currently blowing themselves up across the region are the biggest threat to peace. Without the foot soldiers, wahabism would have nothing to stand on and it would stay inside Saudi. It's your own desire to import Saudi wahabism and accept their influence that's causing issues. It's true that the mullahs of Iran are also an issue, but it's laughable to compare the two. Pakistan's problems are clear. Sort your shit out.

 

[Rakan.SA]

How many thousand Pakistani foot soldiers are currently in Syria and Iraq fighting with the ISIS and AQ banner? How long have you been at war inside your own country? Mullahs and Wahhabis are indeed a problem, but a bigger issue is your ability to get influenced so easily. I would argue that the Pakistani foot soldiers that are currently blowing themselves up across the region are the biggest threat to peace. Without the foot soldiers, wahabism would have nothing to stand on and it would stay inside Saudi. It's your own desire to import Saudi wahabism and accept their influence that's causing issues. It's true that the mullahs of Iran are also an issue, but it's laughable to compare the two. Pakistan's problems are clear. Sort your shit out.

well let me sort your head out. what about the yemenies and afghans being dragged to war by iran ?! you cant even send your own iranians you bring poor afghans and send them to war.
please if you got any cells in your brains. define what is wahhabism ?! please enlighten us all. show us how smart you are.

Hi,

So Saudi never funded the suunis groups against the Shia iraqi government ??

they helped FSA politically and some funding. nothing under the table. the UN was also involved. and now saudi is pushing for a united international support for moderate rebels including FSA against bashar in syria.
but in iraq there in no saudi involvement what so ever. only syria

 

[salarsikander]

no ISIS originated form many groups. it started when america attacked afghanistan then iraq. a sunni resistance started. cuz the shia came into iraq with the americans and the iranian help.
this resistance was made from saddams army and normal sunni tribes and alqaeda. and during the past years they had many names. they got bigger then smaller. it kept going like that for some time. for a few years.
during that time the iraqi government turned iraq into a shia country with shia army and government. assassinations started against sunni ppl. they would get killed by their name sometimes in checkpoints. the sunni ppl suffered for years. some of them decided to revenge the death of their loved ones by joining the islamic resistance.
until arab spring came. ppl in iraq mainly sunni tribes demonstrated for over a year peacefully on the streets.
al-maliki did a dumb mistake and decided to send the army and killed hundreds of innocent ppl including old and young. they just kept shooting anyone in front of them. thats when the sunni tribes decided to join islamic gruop which was also operating in syria. they decided they had enough they were being killed under al-maliki so for them it was better to live with ISIS than maliki or any government working with iran.
and thats how ISIS started.
in syria there are many groups fighting its hard to count. but some of them decided to join ISIS.
saudi never supported ISIS. we only supported FSA. but cuz of the US and UN policy in syria the moderate rebels became weaker and ISIS became stronger.
of course this saved bashar al-asad. cuz the moderate rebels were moving fast and wining, until they got weaker by the international community then ISIS came so bashar is using ISIS now as an excuse.


for argument sake lets say you are right. at least we are doing something for our countries. you ran away like a coward and became a refugee

Hi,

So Saudi never funded the suunis groups against the Shia iraqi government ??

 

[salarsikander]

How many thousand Pakistani foot soldiers are currently in Syria and Iraq fighting with the ISIS and AQ banner? How long have you been at war inside your own country? Mullahs and Wahhabis are indeed a problem, but a bigger issue is your ability to get influenced so easily. I would argue that the Pakistani foot soldiers that are currently blowing themselves up across the region are the biggest threat to peace. Without the foot soldiers, wahabism would have nothing to stand on and it would stay inside Saudi. It's your own desire to import Saudi wahabism and accept their influence that's causing issues. It's true that the mullahs of Iran are also an issue, but it's laughable to compare the two. Pakistan's problems are clear. Sort your shit out.

Hi,

Total bull shit from a guy who is living in Canada in peace, I suggest spend some of your unproductive time in this region and get to know the ground realities

Hi,

this is what I hate these dumb heads dont even know what is Wahhabism, Wahab is one of the 99 names of Allah.
And more or less there was this operation to cleanse the islam that was engaged in Bi'dah by a scholar knows as Wahab

 

[Kompromat]

LOL thats the funniest joke i have ever heard. pakistan is pro iran ?! sorry but were you with nawaz shareef when he visited king salman ?! cuz i didnt see you on TV
go say this to nawaz sharif and your army and please let me know what was the answer.
i mean you live in australia no wonder you would think of such a baseless thing.
few weeks ago pakistani and irani soldiers were shooting flowers on each other. you are right pakistan is pro iran.

when i said the team running this site is pro iran i wasnt mistaken.

* Pakistan is the most pro Iran society in the world according to PEW polls.

* Pakistan is a Sunni majority country which regularly elects Shia PMs and Presidents as well as commanders of Armed Forces.

* We have a 900km long border and centuries old trade relations with Iran going back to the days of the bronze age.

* Our language Urdu has a lot of Persian blend, so much so that our national anthem is in Farsi.

* Pakistan's relations with Iran may not be as good as our relations with Sudi Arabia, however they remain strong bilaterally and under ECO regional frame work. When Pakistan was a member of the UNSC, we voted for Iran on the nuclear issue.

SA and Iran are arms and legs for Pakistan. We are not going to pick sides. Our role is to keep SA and Iran from going to war.

 

[Rakan.SA]

* Pakistan is the most pro Iran society in the world according to PEW polls.

* Pakistan is a Sunni majority country which regularly elects Shia PMs and Presidents as well as commanders of Armed Forces.

* We have a 900km long border and centuries old trade relations with Iran going back to the days of the bronze age.

* Our language Urdu has a lot of Persian blend, so much so that our national anthem is in Farsi.

* Pakistan's relations with Iran may not be as good as our relations with Sudi Arabia, however they remain strong bilaterally and under ECO regional frame work. When Pakistan was a member of the UNSC, we voted for Iran on the nuclear issue.

SA and Iran are arms and legs for Pakistan. We are not going to pick sides. Our role is to keep SA and Iran from going to war.

what you said is true and i know it . but i meant when you said pakistan is pro iran. politically this is wrong. specially when you have saudi in the same sentence. there is no comparison between both relations. again im talking politically. im not dumb i know you are neighbors. naturally you will have strong relations.
and what im saying represent pakistani leadership. im not bringing this from my own head. actually pakistan once did send a message to iran that saudi is a red line. so i dont know where did you get this idea from ?!

this is what I hate these dumb heads dont even know what is Wahhabism, Wahab is one of the 99 names of Allah.
And more or less there was this operation to cleanse the islam that was engaged in Bi'dah by a scholar knows as Wahab

his name is mohammad bin abdulwahhab brother. he never innovated anything in islam. they use this word for political reasons. shia attack him the most and they say he hates ahlu albait. the family of the prophet peace be upon him.

although his children names are Abdullah and Ibrahim like the prophets sons names. and then he has Ali Al-hassan Al-hussain Fatima. and others. but its hard to convince them logically with anything

 

[salarsikander]

what you said is true and i know it . but i meant when you said pakistan is pro iran. politically this is wrong. specially when you have saudi in the same sentence. there is no comparison between both relations. again im talking politically. im not dumb i know you are neighbors. naturally you will have strong relations.
and what im saying represent pakistani leadership. im not bringing this from my own head. actually pakistan once did send a message to iran that saudi is a red line. so i dont know where did you get this idea from ?!



his name is mohammad bin abdulwahhab brother. he never innovated anything in islam. they use this word for political reasons. shia attack him the most and they say he hates ahlu albait. the family of the prophet peace be upon him.

although his children names are Abdullah and Ibrahim like the prophets sons names. and then he has Ali Al-hassan Al-hussain Fatima. and others. but its hard to convince them logically with anything

Hi,

JazakAllah kahire, ya Akhi for including this in my limited knowledge

 

[Desert Fox]

Unless Pakistanis want to sacrifice another 40,000 lives and 70 billion dollars worth of infrastructural damage and another 15 years to fighting extremist ideologies i suggest we stay out of Saudi-Iran rivalry at all costs.

We've already lost so much and we're behind in development and advancement of our own society. Lets focus on what is best for Pakistan for once.

 

[Kompromat]

@Rakan.SA

That's right, we have ongoing dialogue with Tehran on regional security issues. Our prime objective is to avert any possibility of war between the two nations. They must solve their bilateral issues through diplomatic means.

 

[Malik Alashter]

The bottom line is that saudis want the Muslims fight each other why I don't know so for those who know please share us some.

Turkey want to lead the sunni world as the new sultanah of ottoman.

both traitors and peice of crap.

Now with the sisi in Egypt both regimes dreams gone with the wind.

Also defeating daesh in Iraq and soon in Syria have the biggest impact on both of them all their cards is burning.
jrustration.

Now the bonus is that Saudis lost yemen for good now the are desepratly looking for any thing to releive their lost and their anger.

I believe once the US sign that deal with Iran these regimes will do every thing to ignite a civil war in Iraq or yemen even in egypt to say here we are we can do some thing.

We will see and I hope that I'm wrong.
But all the chaos we see tell me no I'm right.

 

[atatwolf]

Unless Pakistanis want to sacrifice another 40,000 lives and 70 billion dollars worth of infrastructural damage and another 15 years to fighting extremist ideologies i suggest we stay out of Saudi-Iran rivalry at all costs.

We've already lost so much and we're behind in development and advancement of our own society. Lets focus on what is best for Pakistan for once.

Pakistan should stay out like Turkey and develop economic power. Turkey wants to be an economic power without having to use force. The problem is that when you become an economic powerhouse certain jealous people will start causing problems for you. Turkey tries to unite people but Iran says to Turkey, don't do business with Azerbaijan, don't do business with Turkmenistan, etc. seriously I don't think if there is a nuke deal with Iran that the problems will be solved in the Middle East.

 

[Mutakalim]

How many thousand Pakistani foot soldiers are currently in Syria and Iraq fighting with the ISIS and AQ banner? How long have you been at war inside your own country? Mullahs and Wahhabis are indeed a problem, but a bigger issue is your ability to get influenced so easily. I would argue that the Pakistani foot soldiers that are currently blowing themselves up across the region are the biggest threat to peace. Without the foot soldiers, wahabism would have nothing to stand on and it would stay inside Saudi. It's your own desire to import Saudi wahabism and accept their influence that's causing issues. It's true that the mullahs of Iran are also an issue, but it's laughable to compare the two. Pakistan's problems are clear. Sort your shit out.

I agree. The Wahabi brand of Islam that was introduced by Zia ul haq was a big mistake. But that is not happening anymore. If there are Pakistanis that are fighting in Syria or Iraq, than they are fighting in their own capacity.

The reason for not liking these two regimes is their sectarian agenda in the region. The Saudis are funding wahabis/salafis on the other hand Iran is backing shias. Main reason of secterianism in our society is support of sectarian outfits by these two parties. Same is also true for Middle East.

On topic:

There is no Sunni unity exists between those three countries. There may be mutual political or strategical interest, but there is no ideological angle to it. Wahabism is ideologically a way apart thing from sunnism.

this is what I hate these dumb heads dont even know what is Wahhabism, Wahab is one of the 99 names of Allah.
And more or less there was this operation to cleanse the islam that was engaged in Bi'dah by a scholar knows as Wahab

well he and his ideology is itself a biddah.

 

[denel]

another form of colonial divide and conquer. i suggest staying clear of this fractional issue. Your country has enough shit to deal with internally. Focus of maintaining internal unity instead of this idiotic sunni/shia divide - My question - are you even muslims to begin with instead of having labels about sunni/shia and god know how many additional nomenclatures.
As far as following the asses like Saudis who fermented whole of salafists/wahabi morphing into ISIS etc - why care - they could not even take care of Palestinian issue let alone trying to act like a big fellow but with nothing to show for.