World must realise India’s contribution to WWII, rectify the past: Jaishankar at RIC meet

[Longhorn]

On the contrary my dear pseudo-intellectual friend, your preamble does not prove "failure" of my "theory" at all. Let me outline your error in terms of your assumption of mutual and overlapping relevance of two very distinct episodic contexts.

You're discussing an item of information that is of no relevance to Pakistan (the Ladakh episode) but trying to tie it to Pakistan by using a different reference point (the parade).

Russia's relationship with China most certainly is more important than its relationship with you, hence an issue concerning the three of you (Ladakh) will see Russia take China's side. Russia's relationship with Pakistan meanwhile is of less value than its relationship with India, hence in an issue concerning the three of these nations, Russia would rather not insult Delhi if avoidable - and in this case it's easily avoidable as it's a military parade and nobody really cares right now.

The two issues are completely distinct and Russia manages them distinctly.

The Indo/Russian relationship at this moment is purely transactional.
If forced to choose between India and China the Russians are with China all the way.
The geostrategic interests of Pakistan and Russia are more aligned than India and Russia as well.
Let the Indians stop spending billions worth of arms with the Russians and see what happens.
The Indians have destroyed their relationships with their traditional friends in a misguided attempt to curry favour with the Americans.
We used to have Indian posters on here bragging about their diplomatic prowess and how they could manage their relationships with everyone at the same time, but as a result of their perfidious policies no one trusts the Indians anymore.
You cannot run with the hare and hunt with the hounds.
Or in the words of the Urdu saying:
Dhobi ka kutta, na ghar ka na ghaat Ka.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Who cares man. They're Indians, my grandfather served in both the British Indian army and Indian army should I dishonor his service in the British Indian army? It's a simple argument, did Indians served in the World war, we did it's a parade to honor them. We contributed to a world war with men, machines, and other supporting equipments.

Your ancesters were doing their job, which they should. They were recruited and paid for.

Bottom line is, what this turd Jay Shankar is harping about "India contribution" to the ww2? His country India didn't event existed back then. Lands of his ancestors weren't attacked by either Nazis or Japs for them to defend against like the Russians/Soviets/ex soviet states did. Jay Shankar is just trying to be smartarse which he isn't by assuming the contribution of subcontinent towards ww2 as "Indian".

By assuming the name of a colonial entity , its foolish rather pathetic to assume its history as well.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Your ancesters were doing their job, which they should. They were recruited and paid for.

Bottom line is, what this turd Jay Shankar is harping about "India contribution" to the ww2? His country India didn't event existed back then. Lands of his ancestors weren't attacked by either Nazis or Japs for them to defend against like the Russians/Soviets/ex soviet states did. Jay Shankar is just trying to be smartarse which he isn't by assuming the contribution of subcontinent towards ww2 as "Indian".

By assuming the name of a colonial entity , its foolish rather pathetic to assume its history as well.

So is most men in armies, it's their job to defend and they are paid for it. This is the last time I'm gonna explain, by India's contribution he meant Indians. It is called British Indian army for a reason, and the world identified them as Indians. You can argue India didn't exist all that bla bla bla, works in your circle of friends consisting of some Pakistanis and PDF. Outside, not so much. Oh well, whatever soothes your identity issues. Ciao.

 

[Hiptullha]

It is not about which political entity fought the war, it's about the army, which is the point of the entire parade.

Yes, it's not about the political entity, it's about the military. Thus, Jaishankar should stop bitching about how the world didn't "recognize" (i.e hand over a permanent seat on the UN security council) India's "contribution", and instead, try to stop more Biharis from getting thrown off mountains in Ladakh.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Yes, it's not about the political entity, it's about the military. Thus, Jaishankar should stop bitching about how the world didn't "recognize" (i.e hand over a permanent seat on the UN security council) India's "contribution", and instead, try to stop more Biharis from getting thrown off mountains in Ladakh.

Jaishankar is proof that even a career diplomat with 30+ years service experience can sound like an uneducated buffoon when he has to represent people like Modi and Amit Shah. Despite his background, which comprise postings in all major countries (including high commissioner/ambassador), how can he make such a stupid vague statement in front of global delegates. He thinks their IQ is equal to the average Indian voter.

 

[Longhorn]

Yes, it's not about the political entity, it's about the military. Thus, Jaishankar should stop bitching about how the world didn't "recognize" (i.e hand over a permanent seat on the UN security council) India's "contribution", and instead, try to stop more Biharis from getting thrown off mountains in Ladakh.

It was Britain, the British Empire and it's colonies that fought WW2 and contributed to the war effort.
It wasn't restricted to India or Indians who in any case were over represented by Sikhs and Muslim soldiers of the Indian army. Soldiers from what is now the commonwealth contributed equally.
Why should India and Indians be a special case.

 

[waz]

New Delhi: External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar exhorted the world to correct the “historical injustice” of not recognising India’s contribution during World War II.

Jaishankar also emphasised that the “world has changed”, and thus, there is a need for “coming to terms with contemporary reality”.

The minister was speaking at a virtual trilateral Russia-India-China (RIC) meeting, also featuring his counterparts Sergey Lavrov and Wang Yi.

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Historical injustice
“The victory over Nazism and fascism was achieved through sacrifices across many theatres by many countries. India made a significant contribution, with 2.3 million of its citizens under arms and 14 million more participating in war production. Indian blood was shed at the battlefields of the world, from Tobruk, El Alamein and Montecassino, to Singapore, Kohima and Borneo,” Jaishankar said in his opening remarks.


The diplomat-turned-minister added India also played a crucial role in keeping key supply chains open during that critical period for Russia as well as China, highlighting that Indian personnel were conferred the ‘Order of the Red Star’, and how Dr Dwarkanath Kotnis became a legend in China for saving the lives of several soldiers during the Sino-Japanese War in 1938.

“So tomorrow, when our military contingent marches through the Red Square, it would be an affirmation of the difference that we made,” Jaishankar added, referring to India’s tri-service contingent that will participate in Russia’s Victory Day Parade to commemorate the 75th anniversary of the Russian victory in Moscow’s Red Square. The parade was postponed from 9 May due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

“When the victors met to fashion the ensuing global order, the political circumstances of that era did not give India due recognition. This historical injustice has stood uncorrected for the last 75 years, even as the world has changed. Therefore, on this momentous occasion, it is important for the world to realise both the contribution that India made and the need to rectify the past,” Jaishankar stressed.

Jaishankar also urged the United Nations to stop being in “denial of the fact” that its decision-making has to reflect the needs and realities of all its 193 members.

China is the only permanent UN Security Council member that has never supported India’s bid for a permanent seat.

“Beyond history, international affairs must also come to terms with contemporary reality … We, the RIC countries, have been active participants in shaping the global agenda. It is India’s hope that we will also now converge on the value of reformed multilateralism,” he said.
https://theprint.in/diplomacy/world...ctify-the-past-jaishankar-at-ric-meet/447245/

India people did make a contribution, but these were volunteers and not the Indian political class in any way shape or form. Indian leaders boycotted the war, Nehru, Ghandi etc.

Yes Sikhs, Gurkhas, Rajputs, Jatts fought, but on their own merit. The economy was pressed into service by the empire at the time.

Anyway, its sad that Pakistan doesn't push its role when 40-45% of the fighting force came from Pakistan!

I remember this road show that goes around in the UK showing 'India's' contribution to the war. They have come across me on several occasions, nice chaps, but I had to put them right in front of large crowds of English folk many times. My grandfather was a veteran, as was my entire elder generation, five cousins of my grandfather i.e. my grand uncles enlisted in the British Indian army.

Going back to my earlier point, I spoke up about our contribution and how vital it was, the crowd stood back and listened to me intently, I literally stole their thunder lol.
But anyway, my respect to all those who served, they went through hell, many became life long friends, religion/caste/ethnicity didn't matter. What mattered was giving everything you got and making sure your comrades in arms made it back home.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

So is most men in armies, it's their job to defend and they are paid for it. This is the last time I'm gonna explain, by India's contribution he meant Indians. It is called British Indian army for a reason, and the world identified them as Indians. You can argue India didn't exist all that bla bla bla, works in your circle of friends consisting of some Pakistanis and PDF. Outside, not so much. Oh well, whatever soothes your identity issues. Ciao.

Turd, which army you are talking about? Your ancestors were slaves, colonial subjects, NOT free men of their own will or political order of their own, their own government, who would fight for their own lands. Hell, ww2 never reached the sub continent to begin with! Not like the Russians who were fighting for their lands as free men. It WAS called Indian BRITISH army because this region was named by foreign occupiers by such, no Muslims rulers, who by the way ruled 900 years more then British over sub continent, never called this region as "India".

Get educated by this name, he has very eloquently destroyed many "myths" about India.

Identity issues? Coming from those who assume the colonial name and history as theirs. have some shame!

 

[letsrock]

Who cares man. They're Indians, my grandfather served in both the British Indian army and Indian army should I dishonor his service in the British Indian army? It's a simple argument, did Indians served in the World war, we did it's a parade to honor them. We contributed to a world war with men, machines, and other supporting equipments.

How are they indians ? they are subjects of british empire. you can call them maybe marathas, punjabis, tamils etc. You indians are so loose with your words. Now wonder india only impoverishes, truamatizes people living there.

 

[Song Hong]

The biggest contributions of Indian army is to runaway like coward in Malaya when fighting Japan in 1942.

It makes the local lose respect of white man.

In this sense, Indians contributed to anti colonialism.