Women are our mothers - Turkish President Erdogan says

[DarkPrince]

turkish girls will love these words

women are our mothers

 

[rmi5]

for me, the most important thing is the negative attitude of the west and the deliberate misinterpretations of the foreign media. Erdogan's ideology doesnt suit me, but that doesnt mean we should deny his positive sides. What we see now is how Turkey increasingly becomes targeted by especially the western media for sticking to its own interests (vis a vis isis and the west's demands), and i am sure Turkey would have been treated the same if it was chp or mhp ruling instead of akp. Of course Erdogan's comments about motherhood or discovering the Americas is actually unnecessary for his position, but i wont tolerate it when foreign media gives his words a twist to portray Erdogan and in turn whole Turkey in a deliberate negative way. He's not a backward dictator, he sure has his flaws, but dictator title belongs to mullahs, assad and Arab monarchs. If we could replace Erdogan's first priority of focusing on islam with an even bigger Turkic vision, this man would have been even better.

He definitely is a backward dictator. What he says and thinks, belongs to many centuries ago, and he oppresses journalists, women, religious minorities, oppositions, and speaks bunch of useless populistic non-sense to impress low educated people in muslim countries, to make his superficial New Ottoman empire, which he has failed, clearly. BTW, to be honest, many arab monarchs, like the Emir of Dubai are much more open-minded and tolerant than Erdogan. Even, mullahs of Iran on average are no longer as backward as him, they are more dictator than him though.
BTW, what it has to do with foreign media? does the media speaks such repetitive non-senses, or it's the Erdogan himself who talks so much backward non-senses? BTW, Overall, what Erdogan did about Syria and ISIS was wrong, and it was not on Turkey's interests.

 

[rmi5]

turkish girls will love these words

women are our mothers

Thread was named like "Erdogan: women are not equal to men", but someone changed the title in a non-sense way.

 

[rmi5]

Mate, i'm not defending AKP's foreign policy, be it Israel,Egypt,Syria...

But first things first. When our government refused to fight against ISIS on the behalf of US. We all saw, how foreign media attacked Turkish leaders.... This article is the continue of that BS articles.

Esspecially in ISIS issue, Turkey is acting in according to it's interests despite continuous Western pressure.

Now, let's not mix a bad foreign policy with a independent foreign policy.

Independent policy means having relations with everyone, and be able to pursue your goals without getting forced to do harmful demands of other countries.
Isolation means, being idle and doing nothing positive, and having no means to pursue your goals.
His policy is isolation, indeed.
Anyway, why do you care about the source of the news? the important point is what is said. BTW, it is very normal to expect western media not to favor him anymore.
About ISIS, he has had a very wrong policy which led him to this point. He did nothing when ISIS captured hostages and massacred Turkmens in Iraq. By doing those irresponsible mistakes, he led the condition to this point. We saw isolation in this case as well. Instead of actively participating in coalitions and lead them to the way which suits the interests of Turkey, he did nothing. In long term, ISIS would not be a good option as a neighbor for Turkey

 

[-SINAN-]

Independent policy means having relations with everyone, and be able to pursue your goals without getting forced to do harmful demands of other countries.
Isolation means, being idle and doing nothing positive, and having no means to pursue your goals.
His policy is isolation, indeed.
Anyway, why do you care about the source of the news? the important point is what is said. BTW, it is very normal to expect western media not to favor him anymore.
About ISIS, he has had a very wrong policy which led him to this point. He did nothing when ISIS captured hostages and massacred Turkmens in Iraq. By doing those irresponsible mistakes, he led the condition to this point. We saw isolation in this case as well. Instead of actively participating in coalitions and lead them to the way which suits the interests of Turkey, he did nothing. In long term, ISIS would not be a good option as a neighbor for Turkey

Okay, lets agree to disagree.

 

[usernameless]

He definitely is a backward dictator. What he says and thinks, belongs to many centuries ago, and he oppresses journalists, women, religious minorities, oppositions, and speaks bunch of useless populistic non-sense to impress low educated people in muslim countries, to make his superficial New Ottoman empire, which he has failed, clearly. BTW, to be honest, many arab monarchs, like the Emir of Dubai are much more open-minded and tolerant than Erdogan. Even, mullahs of Iran on average are no longer as backward as him, they are more dictator than him though.
BTW, what it has to do with foreign media? does the media speaks such repetitive non-senses, or it's the Erdogan himself who talks so much backward non-senses? BTW, Overall, what Erdogan did about Syria and ISIS was wrong, and it was not on Turkey's interests.

we already stated what the foreign media's role is. your view of erdogan's role in his foreign policy is agreeable to some extent, but your view on his domestic policy is mostly wrong. let's agree to disagree.

 

[Hakan]

What a non-sense response, my friend. So every person who does not oppress women is a homosexual? BTW, what's wrong for someone to be a homosexual? Do you consider them less of a human being than yourself?
Anyway, let's not fool ourselves, and let's not sugarcoat what he meant. Oppressing women is a sign of savageness, and never ever has made a successful family. A women should have the option to do whatever she wants, and we are absolutely in no position to impose our thoughts on their wills.

Lets also agree to disagree.

I know how these kinds of discussions go. I have to write paragraphs etc. same with you. I think we have more important things to do.

 

[Penguin]

Why not give this answer before your childish posts?

Why act like the local constabulary? Is there a rule that says I have to be serious all the time. You make a problem and now it is my fault? You don't have to make a fuzz about an expression like 'there you have it'. You choose to.

 

[Penguin]

being a mom doesn't mean that other women who work in an office environment are better than a mom who stays at home with her kids.

fully agree

A woman can get an education and work but when she has kids and her husband makes enough money to support the family then really the primary goal of any woman with a young child should be to take care of that child.

Do not agree. For one, it is a waste of education (and education often is state sponsored). What is wrong with parent taking 50/50 parenting role and 50/50 work role? Are dad's somehow not necessary in raising kids? Or is that a women's chore. Speaking as a parent, in a 'normal' family, in which both parents work - by choice rather than necessity!

I am here to protect the family structure im not interested in seeing Turkey destroyed in an irreversible way. Once the concept of what a family is gets destroyed a nation is in big trouble. You can look at urban areas in the U.S to get an example of what happens once the family gets crippled.

When i comes to the familiy the most f... up parts of the US are not necessarily the poor innercities, but rather the poor country sides. Oh wait, maybe poverty and lack of education and discrimination has a role here?

In your opinion, is a (adopted) child raised by a loving gay couple is worse of than a natural child raised in an abusive but traditional family?

 

[xenon54 out]

What a non-sense response, my friend. So every person who does not oppress women is a homosexual? BTW, what's wrong for someone to be a homosexual? Do you consider them less of a human being than yourself?
Anyway, let's not fool ourselves, and let's not sugarcoat what he meant. Oppressing women is a sign of savageness, and never ever has made a successful family. A women should have the option to do whatever she wants, and we are absolutely in no position to impose our thoughts on their wills.

Forget about homosexuality and other weird stuff lets stick to traditional family values, mate, you are living in US where the family structures are more or less intact but im living in Europe and the situation here is a whole different one believe me.
On one side you have those career oriented women who dont want children because they have no time, on the other side there many many broken familys where women are raising their children alone without a father who tells them whats right and whats wrong.
Its so weird that many european parents think their children are some sort of a burden that needs to be kicked out of house as soon as he/she is 18 which on the other hand causes that the children dont take care of their parents when they are old.
I have many Switzer friends and 90% of them are coming from broken familys where parents dont live together anymore this is just insane and not healthy anymore.
And then people are mourning that european population shrinking, what the f*** do you expect in such a social structure where children are more being seen as a burden than a bless?

Long story short, do i think women should have the right to make career? Ofcourse it should be their decision! What womens first priority should be in my eyes? Raising their children in a healthy family environment just as its the principle of the nature!
Kids who raise in broken familys in most cases dont become a useful part of socieity which again is bad for all of us, a healthy family structure is crucial for the future of our society but im not very optimistic about it by the way things look in Europe.

In the end there remains the most important question, who is going to pay my pension when we dont raise a valuable generation?

 

[rmi5]

Forget about homosexuality and other weird stuff lets stick to traditional family values, mate, you are living in US where the family structures are more or less intact but im living in Europe and the situation here is a whole different one believe me.
On one side you have those career oriented women who dont want children because they have no time, on the other side there many many broken familys where women are raising their children alone without a father who tells them whats right and whats wrong.
Its so weird that many european parents think their children are some sort of a burden that needs to be kicked out of house as soon as he/she is 18 which on the other hand causes that the children dont take care of their parents when they are old.
I have many Switzer friends and 90% of them are coming from broken familys where parents dont live together anymore this is just insane and not healthy anymore.
And then people are mourning that european population shrinking, what the f*** do you expect in such a social structure where children are more being seen as a burden than a bless?

Long story short, do i think women should have the right to make career? Ofcourse it should be their decision! What womens first priority should be in my eyes? Raising their children in a healthy family environment just as its the principle of the nature!
Kids who raise in broken familys in most cases dont become a useful part of socieity which again is bad for all of us, a healthy family structure is crucial for the future of our society but im not very optimistic about it by the way things look in Europe.

In the end there remains the most important question, who is going to pay my pension when we dont raise a valuable generation?

Well, I agree with most of your post, and it's a different story from what Erdogan means. Anyway, I am a very conservative person myself, and caring about family values is essential in my thoughts. Anyway, whether we like it or not, people do not think of family as an essential part of their life anymore. Do you wanna know why? it relates to economy as well. We are an educated generation world wide, so our expectations are higher. It means that a person needs to have a good amount of money to pay 20-40K$ each year for each kid's private school, university loans, mortgages, ... How a person who works in McDonalds, or Walmart(Currently the biggest employer in US) with 7$ per hour is supposed to afford all of this money? simply he/she cannot. So this person needs to satisfy his/her needs outside of marriage. it was not the case 2-3 decades ago, when our parents were living. Car factories with 30-40$ per hour salaries were the biggest employers back then. It's a complicated issue, my brother.

 

[xenon54 out]

Well, I agree with most of your post, and it's a different story from what Erdogan means. Anyway, I am a very conservative person myself, and caring about family values is essential in my thoughts. Anyway, whether we like it or not, people do not think of family as an essential part of their life anymore. Do you wanna know why? it relates to economy as well. We are an educated generation world wide, so our expectations are higher. It means that a person needs to have a good amount of money to pay 20-40K$ each year for each kid's private school, university loans, mortgages, ... How a person who works in McDonalds, or Walmart(Currently the biggest employer in US) with 7$ per hour is supposed to afford all of this money? simply he/she cannot. So this person needs to satisfy his/her needs outside of marriage. it was not the case 2-3 decades ago, when our parents were living. Car factories with 30-40$ per hour salaries were the biggest employers back then. It's a complicated issue, my brother.

Yes i agree with you, what i wanted to point out is whats going wrong in western society nowadays, the goverments have to find a solution and make their countrys more Family friendly, current situation is a dead end.

 

[Penguin]

Just noticed the thread title. Who would say "Men are our fathers"? And what does that mean, in this context?

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Its not taking advantage. I pointed out the founder of Turkey believes that the primary role of women is to be mothers. I dont see how those types of statements are anti womens rights, because being a mom isn't a low position, it is actually a very honorable position because mothers are the ones that raise the next generation. And being a mom doesn't mean that other women who work in an office environment are better than a mom who stays at home with her kids. A woman can get an education and work but when she has kids and her husband makes enough money to support the family then really the primary goal of any woman with a young child should be to take care of that child.

I am here to protect the family structure im not interested in seeing Turkey destroyed in an irreversible way. Once the concept of what a family is gets destroyed a nation is in big trouble. You can look at urban areas in the U.S to get an example of what happens once the family gets crippled.


These are the real men and women that will raise kids for the Turkish nation to prosper:

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Not these types of people:

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And whats this?
What Each of Facebook’s 51 New Gender Options Means - The Daily Beast

I wouldn't put the bottom picture in the same category as the other two, when talking about orphans two responsible parents that are same sex(Homosexual/lesbian) are a hell of a lot better than a single parent or no parents at all.