Woman's rights ! ... Western OR Islamic ?

[Rusty]

first define Islamic culture you are talking bout which islamic culture?

1 talibani?
2. arabic wahabis?
3. fundamentalist Pakistani ?
4 or liberal bangladeshi?

all form of islam boast to be real.

I am sorry but that is the most retarded thing I have read all day.
Congrats on talking out of your @$$

 

[Uchiha]

So woman's rights = what clothes you wear?

That is rather silly and simplistic logic.

Besides, if you want to go that route then the West is equally as oppressive since they have decency laws and you can be arrested and jailed for going out naked.
By your own logic then, women are equally oppressed in the west.

But the decency laws are applied equally on men and women

 

[Korean]

So woman's rights = what clothes you wear?

Yes, her right to decide for herself. Western women can make all the decisions that concerns herself on her own; muslim women often can't.

 

[Black Widow]

So woman's rights = what clothes you wear?

That is rather silly and simplistic logic.

Besides, if you want to go that route then the West is equally as oppressive since they have decency laws and you can be arrested and jailed for going out naked.
By your own logic then, women are equally oppressed in the west.

this is the tool of fundamentalist , when you tell western women have more right, they will come will bikni logic. if you tell western women right they will come with rape logic.


I don't know islamic view on women, since there are many version ox islam, its difficult to comment. and more over there is a chance of beaten/liked by some lunatic if i post something they don't like.

I am sorry but that is the most retarded thing I have read all day.
Congrats on talking out of your @$$

@ss naked women, bikani women, rape in western country, anything else? or u are done? Define islamic culture first. There is nothing called islamic culture , each country follows its own versions.

 

[Rusty]

Yes, her right to decide for herself. Western women can make all the decisions that concerns herself on her own; muslim women often can't.

WRONG
According to decency laws a woman is not allowed to go out naked.

And also, where are you getting this non-sense that Muslim women don't make the decisions?
Do you honestly think that Muslim men have enough time to go around dictating what a woman wears?
most men could not even name more then 2 items of clothing that women wear, much less force them to chose one certain items.

You are an outsider looking in and you are trying to convince us about something that is clearly not true.
like the saying goes, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

 

[Black Widow]

You forgot Secular Turkish and some what 'Anything Goes' Islam in Central Asia and Eastern Europe.

thanks for reminding me brother, yes turkish follow the same religion with different traditions.

 

[Rusty]

this is the tool of fundamentalist , when you tell western women have more right, they will come will bikni logic. if you tell western women right they will come with rape logic.


I don't know islamic view on women, since there are many version ox islam, its difficult to comment. and more over there is a chance of beaten/liked by some lunatic if i post something they don't like.




@ss naked women, bikani women, rape in western country, anything else? or u are done? Define islamic culture first. There is nothing called islamic culture , each country follows its own versions.

I understand that your culture/religion has no standards of beliefs and that anyone can make up stuff and people will just accept it.
Which is why I understand that you are under the false notion that Islam is like that too.
So let me educate you about 15% of your population, since your education system clearly failed to do so.

Islam is based on the Quran and the life of the prophet. all of our beliefs come from there. If you have any questions about Islam, simply look towards the Quran and the Hadiths.
Now, you and I are not qualified to make judgement (fatwas) since we are not scholars.
So we have 4 major Schools of thought in Islam. These are not sects, these are academic schools of thought that are all accpeted by the majority of the Muslim population.
We don't willy nilly make stuff up and declare it to be Islamic.

As for the question at hand
It has already been cleared up by the Ulema and it is up to us to follow the fatwas.
Islam looks at women's right in the context of justice.
We don't give men or women more rights then the other but we give them just rights.

 

[Black Widow]

WRONG
According to decency laws a woman is not allowed to go out naked.

And also, where are you getting this non-sense that Muslim women don't make the decisions?
Do you honestly think that Muslim men have enough time to go around dictating what a woman wears?
most men could not even name more then 2 items of clothing that women wear, much less force them to chose one certain items.

You are an outsider looking in and you are trying to convince us about something that is clearly not true.
like the saying goes, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

the defination of naked Change in different society . fort alibans sowing finger nail was nudity.



the truth is men only decide what women shud wear.


if you convince a hen from childhood that she js a duck, she will keep believing tht she is a duck. have you seen a movie in which a pig believes himself dog? similarly girls child's are brainwashed frm childhood.

It's not only in muslim society, its happen in Indian society as well.

 

[Carlos 'Cypher' Renato]

Woman's rights ! ... Western OR Islamic ?

Well here in the west the womans have the choice to cover her whole body or get almost naked, as far as i know some islamic countries don't have this freedom of choice. (i apologise if i'm wrong)

Women are vulnerable !

Why a woman is more vulnerable than a man? a woman can do the same (sometimes better) things that i or any other man can do...

 

[DRaisinHerald]

first define Islamic culture you are talking bout which islamic culture?

1 talibani?
2. arabic wahabis?
3. fundamentalist Pakistani ?
4 or liberal bangladeshi?

all form of islam boast to be real.

...Islam. Quranic Islam. It's really simple, there's no Arabic Wahhabi, Fundamental Pakistani or 'Liberal Bangladeshi' Islam. They're all terms you've lot invented. Besides, as far as 'Wahhabi' goes, they're just people that take the Quran in a higher position and give less value to Hadith. Simple. The Wahhabism you're talking about is a political name, used to play a political game.

Yes, her right to decide for herself. Western women can make all the decisions that concerns herself on her own; muslim women often can't.

Really? Women can make most decision's for themselves; however out in the open their forbidden to wear vvhore-like clothes. We like to keep morals. Inside their houses it doesn't matter even if they walk naked 24/7
I'm not expecting you to understand this though

 

[junk]

Yes, her right to decide for herself. Western women can make all the decisions that concerns herself on her own; muslim women often can't.

you are not korean & i stand by that.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

You are an outsider looking in and you are trying to convince us about something that is clearly not true.
like the saying goes, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

It's funny how true this is.

 

[Carlos 'Cypher' Renato]

Really? Women can make most decision's for themselves; however out in the open their forbidden to wear vvhore-like clothes. We like to keep morals. Inside their houses it doesn't matter even if they walk naked 24/7
I'm not expecting you to understand this though

Moral is pretty subjective, your moral may be different than the morals of other members of this forum. What are *****-like clothes for you? I for one don't believe that a girl that wears jeans and T-shirts has more or less moral than a girl wearing abaya and khimar.

But it's only my point of view, i apologise if i offended anyone.

 

[CrazyTycoon]

In an Islamic state ruled by the Sharia, it's compulsory for women to wear a headscarf, and they cannot travel without being accompanied by a mahram (though this varies), among other things. Of course women should have the right to choose whether she wants to wear a headscarf or a short skirt or if she wishes to travel to the nearest city or fly out of the country.

So yeah, 'Western' women rights over 'Islamic' women rights anyday.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

In an Islamic state ruled by the Sharia, it's compulsory for women to wear a headscarf, and they cannot travel without being accompanied by a mahram (though this varies), among other things

Wrong, no where does it say women can't travel alone. That's a KSA thing, mind you.

In an Islamic state ruled by the Sharia, it's compulsory for women to wear a headscarf

Actually believe it or not, under Islamic law (And I mean if the state law is Sharia) women are not forced to wear head scarves. That's part of personal law, which may be implemented by husbands or parents, not the gov. or official law.

... jeans and T-shirts has more or less moral than a girl wearing abaya and khimar

Yeah, but Abaya and Khimar are not 'Islamic' exactly, more Arabian than anything. Islam law tells women to cover their heads,their chests all the way down to their legs (included) and their arms.
Of course, that could be archieved by simply wearing an 'Abaya' or by wearing Shalwar Kameez, or Shirts and Trousers/Pants (as long as their not see through or tight)