Woh hamsafar tha..

[bluesky]

Every year on Dec 16, me and my friends get together to understand what mistakes happened on Dec 16, shedding tears on what was lost, discussing war stories of bravery, discussing how terrorism was spread in name of Pakistan army, raping of women by mostly Indians, the mistakes of Pakistan army by killing of Bengali dissident and then the stab of terrorism sponsoring Indians, political mistakes of rulers, and failed military strategy from West, why China didn’t intervene, the reasons of why we got to this sad point because of discrimination of bengalis and the break up of Pakistan. We read troop movements, company formations and war strategy ... we finish our night with wo humsafar tha... it happened last night too ...such a loss... I was not born at that time, but I carry the pain Pakistan went through
At the end we all vow that our generations should know what they should not do and remember how cunning and opportunist your enemy is... my kids understand ...
Long live my beloved Pakistan, my life and my soul...

Bold part: Many things that you said can be accepted, but do not blame the Indians for killing and raping. Indians were not in our land before 16 December. Even their troops took shelter behind our Muktis to get rid of fear. You should accept the blame on yourself because it was PA troops that did all the heinous things in the east.

Your Pathan tribesmen did similar things in Kashmir in 1948. You should reflect yourself all the misdeeds done by your forefathers and grandfathers in the name of Islam. Anyway, now you are doing almost similar things in your own country and nearby Afghanistan by bombing mosques and bazaars to kill innocent people. You have not changed since 1971. It is the Pakistanis who put Islam in Khatra all the time when you pretend to be its savior.

 

[maverick1977]

Bold part: Many things that you said can be accepted, but do not blame the Indians for killing and raping. Indians were not in our land before 16 December. Even their troops took shelter behind our Muktis to get rid of fear. You should accept the blame on yourself because it was PA troops that did all the heinous things in the east.

Your Pathan tribesmen did similar things in Kashmir in 1948. You should reflect yourself all the misdeeds done by your forefathers and grandfathers in the name of Islam. Anyway, now you are doing almost similar things in your own country and nearby Afghanistan by bombing mosques and bazaars to kill innocent people. You have not changed since 1971. It is the Pakistanis who put Islam in Khatra all the time when you pretend to be its savior.

It takes a man to accept responsibility and own their mistakes...

what do you expect Mukhti did in name of chaos. They were trained to kill bengalis and to rape Bengali women, who trained them ? Your Indian army and RAW. Indian army was involved in spreading chaos using their stooges and using media to slander pakistan army of the very ill, that they did in Bangladesh.
Pakistani army did one thing, that was to launch and crackdown on Bengali awami league... no rapes and loss of dignity of women, that is done by Indians and their stooges... if Pakistani army was like that then they would’ve done the same in FATA and in Azad Kashmir.. no Sir you are absolutely wrong, Indian amry is raised that way not the Pakistani army,
Islam was not spread through rape as you are raised to believe but through people and saints... how many times was dehli plundered except by nadir shah ... read and read again, instead of polluting your min with false narrative.

Again it does not add up, Pakistani army follows Muhammad PBUH, never harm innocent and religious places... it’s in their doctrine ... just as Muhammad PBUH ordered his armies when they entered Mecca... you don’t know who these men are, they are the best of the best breed.. a comparison that you can’t make with Indian army

 

[Slav Defence]

Stick to the topic

 

[Al-zakir]

Wallahi, very heart touching song. Faiz Ahmed heart was bleeding when he wrote this song.

 

[Cookie Monster]

@Slav Defence , thanks a lot brother for English translation of the lyrics . Now I can fully understand the song ! So touchy song . What happened has happened , but if still we ( both Bangladeshi and Pakistani brothers ) can move on and forget everything , then Pakistan and Bangladesh can be the best friendly nation forever . May Bangladesh and Pakistan live forever . Bangladesh Zindabad and Pakistan Zindabad !

Wishing Best of luck and prosperous future for Pakistan and Pakistani brothers and sisters!

It would be nice if Pak/Bangladesh can have friendly relations and move on from the past...and while I have met quite a few Bangladeshi ppl who have moved on from the past and are friendly towards Pakistanis...
...but there are others who just can't let that go and instead of looking to make a better future, they continue to define that future based on the horrible past. Haseena's government has played the biggest role in this. She keeps maligning Pakistan either to use the rhetoric to eliminate her political opponents or at India's behest or whatever other reason. In any case it deteriorates any chance for friendly relations.

On a separate note, regarding this song...though u've read its translation in English...it doesn't do justice to the meaning. If u could understand Urdu...the song would hold a much more deeper meaning. Quite a few Bangladeshi ppl made great contributions to Pak...as far as music industry goes, Runa Laila was also a great asset

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

Please stick to the topic.Thread reopened, any discussion over differences will not be appreciated.Please share Bengladeshi poetry with English Translation and we will also discuss Pakistani poetry.
On the other hand, let us keep this thread positive.If anyone has to share any differences then please open up new thread.

Here is famous poetry Shikwa written by Allama Iqbal with English translation.Jawab e shikwa is far amazing.The former displays complain to God by the believer and the latter is rsponse from God to the complain.I have only shared the first one.Read and enjoy:
https://www.studybee.net/shikwa-by-allama-iqbal/

Regards

Shikwa/Jawab-e-Shikwa, Coke Studio Season 11

 

[Avicenna]

It would be nice if Pak/Bangladesh can have friendly relations and move on from the past...and while I have met quite a few Bangladeshi ppl who have moved on from the past and are friendly towards Pakistanis...
...but there are others who just can't let that go and instead of looking to make a better future, they continue to define that future based on the horrible past. Haseena's government has played the biggest role in this. She keeps maligning Pakistan either to use the rhetoric to eliminate her political opponents or at India's behest or whatever other reason. In any case it deteriorates any chance for friendly relations.

On a separate note, regarding this song...though u've read its translation in English...it doesn't do justice to the meaning. If u could understand Urdu...the song would hold a much more deeper meaning. Quite a few Bangladeshi ppl made great contributions to Pak...as far as music industry goes, Runa Laila was also a great asset

Totally agree.

 

[Skies]

Heard this song long time ago and many times.

But did not know it was about East Pakistan at that time!!

 

[Nilgiri]

Heard this song long time ago and many times.

But did not know it was about East Pakistan at that time!!

Good to see you back bud!

 

[bluesky]

 

[Bilal9]

but there are others who just can't let that go and instead of looking to make a better future, they continue to define that future based on the horrible past. Haseena's government has played the biggest role in this. She keeps maligning Pakistan either to use the rhetoric to eliminate her political opponents or at India's behest or whatever other reason. In any case it deteriorates any chance for friendly relations.

Those who are holding on to 1971 (including Hasina and her stooges) are doing it for motivated reasons (cowtowing to India, differentiating her position from that of Jamatis etc. and overall to keep being in power).

We have to keep one thing clear, Hasina does not speak for all of Bangladesh, or even most of Bangladesh. her opinion is not the opinion of the majority in Bangladesh.

People here tolerate her only for her economic policies. No one gives two sh*ts about being friendly to Chaiwala's administration or his schemes.

Only India cowtowing stooges (including - I am sorry to say, some fifth columnist Hindus in Bangladesh) have any reason to keep animosity seeded and alive between both countries.

The day when Indians could control the politics and public discourse in Bangladesh is long, long gone. That ship has sailed. Even Hasina has realized this.

Indians keep trying in open, ugly fashion (sending their ministers every other month trying to float hilariously outlandish proposals) - but the sooner they realize it, the better.

Ultimately - the future of Bangladesh and Pakistan will be at least on an even keel as it is with India, mostly through interdependence of the economies. Culturally - it already is. Most Pakistanis know it - with some exceptions.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Those who are holding on to 1971 (including Hasina and her stooges) are doing it for motivated reasons (cowtowing to India, differentiating her position from that of Jamatis etc. and overall to keep being in power).

Whatever the reason maybe...bcuz it is the government's official position(motivated by Hasina's own feelings)...it is harming the potential future relations between the two nations.

We have to keep one thing clear, Hasina does not speak for all of Bangladesh, or even most of Bangladesh. her opinion is not the opinion of the majority in Bangladesh.

People here tolerate her only for her economic policies. No one gives two sh*ts about being friendly to Chaiwala's administration or his schemes.

Unfortunately it doesn't matter what the public wants...if the government is doing its own thing. The world sees the decisions and policies made by the BD government(or any other country's gov for that matter) and responds accordingly. No country in its response considers the will of the ppl bypassing the government.

Only India cowtowing stooges (including - I am sorry to say, some fifth columnist Hindus in Bangladesh) have any reason to keep animosity seeded and alive between both countries.

The day when Indians could control the politics and public discourse in Bangladesh is long, long gone. That ship has sailed. Even Hasina has realized this.

They already do bro. Just recently BD boycotted participating in the SARC summit at India's behest. Bhutan did the same...but I get it...what else can Bhutan do...it is forced to be an Indian stooge...
...but BD isnt...or more like BD has the potential to stand up for itself instead of being pushed around by some regional hegemon(the same way Pak does). Instead BD(due to Hasina) willingly chose to stick it to Pak to please India.

Personally I don't give a crap about SAARC. India with its behavior made it dysfunctional a long time ago. It had become symbolic rather than anything useful. However it's the principal of the matter. It showed Pakistan and Pakistanis that BD is going to side with India...and therefore going forward Pak should treat them accordingly...which just deteriorates the situation further.

And it's not just that one thing...it's a pattern. That above was just one of the major anti Pak thing BD(Hasina) did. Other things include issuing statements against Pak parroting the same thing as India...and accusing Pak of terrorism. All of this builds a profile of sorts that starts guiding the response of other governments. Based on this pattern of behavior, Pak gov will start treating BD either the same as Bhutan(as in no point in having any relations) or same as India(with animosity). It wouldn't matter that the ppl(Bangladeshi) felt different than Hasina.

Indians keep trying in open, ugly fashion (sending their ministers every other month trying to float hilariously outlandish proposals) - but the sooner they realize it, the better.

Whatever they are trying it's working. In addition to siding with India politically on world stage...BD also gave away some of its water to India in a deal recently struck. It's a consistent pattern of behaviors that have somewhat eroded BD's sovereignty as an independent state as India guides more and more BD's political course.

Ultimately - the future of Bangladesh and Pakistan will be at least on an even keel as it is with India, mostly through interdependence of the economies. Culturally - it already is. Most Pakistanis know it - with some exceptions.

That's fine however BD chooses to have a relationship with Pak...whether an economical one or diplomatic or any other form...so long as it starts heading in some positive direction. If Britain and France(or France and Germany) chose to continue defining their future based on their hundreds of years of war and animosity...the EU of today would have been worse off. One should look to build a better tomorrow than holding on to the past...BD's government should use that thinking.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Relations with the rogue provinces of afganistan and bangalia shall not be made, since they have a separatist mob occupying said lands..

 

[Nilgiri]

Unfortunately it doesn't matter what the public wants...if the government is doing its own thing.

You really take what this kook has to say seriously? 2 million yearly BD tourists to India (and increasing massively each year) says otherwise:

Kowtowing stooges and 5th columnists indeed Any basic sense would tell you if that were the case to any actual pragmatic extent, the number would be idling in the levels found in 2010. I mean Why spend the first immediate small increases in disposable income on the grand chaiwalla run enemy? Is the health/medical situation really that bad compared to what BD govt lousily lies about with its numbers? That too all this happening alongside the number of BD ppl shot dead at border each year?

Let's not get onto how much BD people buy from India like the docile suckers they are...or how much Indian TV and culture they are hooked and addicted to. That again has no bearing on the control India has on the BD psyche (forget small fry things like "politics" and "public discourse").

But noooooo, obviously there are a whole list of countries in the world where you can rig an election to the tune of 95% seat and 85% vote....and yet still have no massive riots/protests out on the street if there is that much opposition to cooking lady PM (laughably explained away as "economic toleration" LOL).

 

[Sine Nomine]

Let's not get onto how much BD people buy from India like the docile suckers they are...or how much Indian TV and culture they are hooked and addicted to. That again has no bearing on the control India has on the BD psyche (forget small fry things like "politics" and "public discourse").

+1 for Bharat,for teaching them Urdu/Hindi.