Without the White Race world would have been permanently stuck at 1750 AD...Thoughts?

[Nilgiri]

I guess I shouldn't have written what I wrote. But hey, sometimes we all write senseless things. Thanks for explaining in detail.

I also got a bit heated in response. I apologise...something else was going bad on my end at same time and I really shouldnt have been on PDF in first place lol.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

I also got a bit heated in response. I apologise...something else was going bad on my end at same time and I really shouldnt have been on PDF in first place lol.

No need to. That was a strong and good way of conveying.

 

[Nilgiri]

No need to. That was a strong and good way of conveying.

Good you are a toughie then. I'll let loose from time to time then.

 

[Naofumi]

I hate any notion of inherent exceptionalism....

And why is this? Inductive reasoning (that usually exceptionalist hypothesis fails, so this must fail too)? Or deductive reasoning (all men are equal at every point of time)?

Frankly, I won't take any of the two as absolute truths.

 

[Nilgiri]

And why is this? Inductive reasoning (that usually exceptionalist hypothesis fails, so this must fail too)? Or deductive reasoning (all men are equal at every point of time)?

Frankly, I won't take any of the two as absolute truths.

I simply chose Scientific reasoning. The absolute is very rare in Science given the nature of infinity itself (the underlying reason there is no such thing as perfectly circular or parabolic orbit given the exact number their eccentricities would respectively need to be).

Why would I chose anything past that for this topic?

What you state (debating hypothetical absolutes as top down or bottom up) are more for the philosopher to gauge which is the "better one"....which I also like to engage in from time to time, but that's not the subject here is it? Simply pick one as basis and then move to the scope and body of study. There is already so much done here....why filter and neglect?

 

[Naofumi]

I simply chose Scientific reasoning. The absolute is very rare in Science given the nature of infinity itself (the underlying reason there is no such thing as perfectly circular or parabolic orbit given the exact number their eccentricities would respectively need to be).

Why would I chose anything past that for this topic?

What you state (debating hypothetical absolutes as top down or bottom up) are more for the philosopher to gauge which is the "better one"....which I also like to engage in from time to time, but that's not the subject here is it? Simply pick one as basis and then move to the scope and body of study. There is already so much done here....why filter and neglect?

Scientific method is that of induction, so I take it as that.

My broader point was that we have to draw the line between soft and hard exceptionalism (my terminology), the former can be an useful tool to study historical and present phenomenon but the latter is simply blind supremacism. Furthermore, all of the arguments on ethical conduct should be on the relative basis and strictly separate from the materialistic advancement.

Parts and bits of the following may be relevant to this :

Got some random thoughts on this post, here are my two cents.
On the first impression, this post gave me a smell of elitism, the thought "An educated idiot is still an idiot"; that new "elites" are naïve, conservative, uncultured and backward than older elite, hence there in lies the problem - the democratisation of thought to the masses will make regressive thoughts more mainstream and will even give the regressive ideologies a decent intellectual footing which may have been absent till that point whereas non-democratisation will keep the masses regressive in itself but an "enlightened elite" will rule over them with liberal ideals. But we should keep in mind that this democratisation is inevitable but will the result always be the same as discussed above is a matter of debate.
Let's take a step back and see; from Chinese post-Marxist fascists disillusioned with Marxism, finding an identity in borderline fascist Chinese nationalism (and to some extent the Singapore) to the secular Kemalist Turkey voting for Erdogan, Iranian revolution fueled and given an ideological footing by the likes of Ali Shariati (who unfortunately died at the backdrop of the revolution, may he rest in peace) to the election of our own PM Modi overthrew the 65+ years rule by "enlightened" Congress and left - a feature common in all of them is the same democratisation of thought which overthrew the old "enlightened elite' and bought a relatively conservative ideology at the forefront (in some cases it was the conscious decision of the elites themselves - China). It should be noted that the enlightenment that older elites was never indigenously developed (as many critics argued) but was adopted from the western thinkers in part of the awe of their material, industrial, social and scientific process, the older elite thought that applying the western principles over the indigenous people will inevitably result in progress the way it had in west also with the hope that as the elite will expand through materialistic development they newer ones too will accept their thinking.
Why the process did not saw the same in the west and Japan? Well, it did. I see twentieth century world wars as the direct result of this shift but the destruction caused them to realise the great dangers of that "inevitable" conservative shift and moved much more towards left both socially and economically. In short, a great backlash made the that shift a loathed period.
Now, coming back to Muslims, there's a certain kind of backlash already happened after the global jihad phenomenon and moreover in Indian context, there's more with the election of Modi and the onslaught of "regressive Islamic practices" in "intellectual" circles and media houses; it'll inevitably lead to a more conscious disassociating from those practices.

(Feeling lazy now, may add more later)

 

[ali_raza]

The most influential publication of the Enlightenment was the Encyclopédie (Encyclopaedia). Published between 1751 and 1772 in thirty-five volumes, it was compiled by Diderot, d'Alembert (until 1759) and a team of 150 scientists and philosophers. It helped spread the ideas of the Enlightenment across Europe and beyond.[14]

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All other races and civilizations had run of out of steam by that point..Whites reinvigorated whole of Humanity with their innovative brave thinking that broke off the shackles of religious authority...Without the White race we would have seen an enactment of the Bronze Age Collapse post 1750 AD

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this less than 0.1 % achievement of the White Race below:

Euclidean geometry. Parabolic geometry. Hyperbolic geometry. Projective geometry. Differential geometry. Calculus: Limits, continuity, differentiation, integration. Physical chemistry. Organic chemistry. Biochemistry. Classical mechanics. The indeterminacy principle. The wave equation. The Parthenon. The Anabasis. Air conditioning. Number theory. Romanesque architecture. Gothic architecture. Information theory. Entropy. Enthalpy. Every symphony ever written. Pierre Auguste Renoir. The twelve-tone scale. The mathematics behind it, twelfth root of two and all that. S-p hybrid bonding orbitals. The Bohr-Sommerfeld atom. The purine-pyrimidine structure of the DNA ladder. Single-sideband radio. All other radio. Dentistry. The internal-combustion engine. Turbojets. Turbofans. Doppler beam-sharpening. Penicillin. Airplanes. Surgery. The mammogram. The Pill. The condom. Polio vaccine. The integrated circuit. The computer. Football. Computational fluid dynamics. Tensors. The Constitution. Euripides, Sophocles, Aristophanes, Aeschylus, Homer, Hesiod. Glass. Rubber. Nylon. Roads. Buildings. Elvis. Acetylcholinesterase inhibitors. (OK, that’s nerve gas, and maybe we didn’t really need it.) Silicone. The automobile. Really weird stuff, like clathrates, Buckyballs, and rotaxanes.. Bug spray. Diffie-Hellman, public-key cryptography, and RSA. Et cetera. S-Trap, modern pumping stations and sewage systems

medicine invented by muslims.the name was mada sina.(sina,s stuff)
computer algorithms invented by muslims the original was khawarizm.
alcohol which is base product for most modern technology is a muslim arab invention
modern government system and modern taxation system both r muslim theory and they practiced it in al mansoor riegn
had there been no mongol invasion of bagdad europe would still be catching up

 

[Leishangthem]

Explain Leibniz then...

Regarding Leibniz, his approach to writing in binary code made direct references to the hexagrams and cosmological ideas found in the 9th-century manual, the I Ching.

Leibniz’s researched Eastern philosophy extended to earlier periods of thought, and he wrote extensively about the 9th-century divination manual, the I Ching. The manual, attributed to Fu Xi, was first assembled during China’s Western Zhou period .
So,the whole of the Western computing hinges on the Western theft of Chinese IP?
Chinese astronomy of pre 1339 BC ,the Greeks (Homer and Hesiod) learnt it by (750-630 BC).
Around 1420, during the Italian Renaissance ,they copied Chinese agricultural machines and printing presses.
Then 17-19th, the Rationalists like Leibniz copied Chinese maths.
The White men are the greatest thieves of all time.

 

[khanmubashir]

By whites u mean European

In that case all experts accept that Europe came out of dark age thanks to renisance which was directly influenced by Muslim culture and knowledge of spainish and ottoman Muslim kingdoms