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With Tail Between Legs, China Asks Philippines For Talks On Territorial Dispute
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphjennings/2015/06/10/bristling-but-tail-between-legs-china-asks-philippines-for-talks-on-territorial-dispute/
China’s ambassador to the Philippines has suggested that the two countries sit down for talks on the most squeamish territorial dispute in Asia. The question of who controls the fishery-rich, 3.5 million-square-kilometer South China Sea, also full of oil and natural gas as well as major world shipping lanes, could proceed from military preparations to a calm negotiating room. The two governments – both unusually aggressive in asserting rival claims to the sea — might be able to work something out. The Philippines is talking now to Taiwanto agree on law enforcement in their own overlapping waters.

Philippine leaders have not answered Chinese Ambassador Zhao Jinhua’s proposal this month and may never give an outright yes. There’s no need. China is coming around like a dog with its tail between its legs as international opinion mounts against it. Much of Southeast Asia and its allies as far away as Washington tacitly back the Philippines as they oppose Beijing’s landfilling of hundreds of hectares of ocean to expand its national territory despite competing claims.

“I suspect China is making this overture now because the regional response to China’s artificial island-building campaign is heating up and the U.S., Australia, Japan and India are making noises that they will support front-line Southeast Asian states that refuse to cave to Chinese pressure,” says Scott Harold, the Center for Asia-Pacific Policy deputy director with The RAND Corp. think tank in the United States. The Philippines is one such state.

China’s ambassador called twice this month to date for a resumption of dialogue aimed at a peaceful solution, according to Philippine media reports. Previous talks went on hold in 2012 when China occupied waters near Scarborough Shoal west of Luzon, leading to a tense standoff that blocked Philippine fishing boats. Since then Philippine authorities have nabbed Chinese poachers at sea and anti-China sentiment has risen sharply among common Filipinos.

The Philippines prefers multi-country dialogue with other maritime claimants. Those include Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam. The Philippines also has the United States and Japan on its side, having receivedmilitary aid from both since 2014 in case China grows too aggressive. To bolster support from abroad, Manila is asking the United Nations Permanent Court of Arbitration to rule on Beijing’s legal basis for using an 11-dash line to claim nearly the entire sea from Taiwan to Singapore. China believes historical documents validate its maritime claims and calls the Philippines, among others, the troublemakers. It has refused to work with the U.N. legal process.

Against the bite of international opinion, China would find it hard to win in any multilateral talks. China prefers one-on-one dialogue with other sea claimants so it can use its massive economy and military might as bargaining power. That’s another reason the Philippines would say no thanks.

“The Philippines has consistently refused to have one-on-one talks with China on the South China Sea claims and proposes instead a meeting of all claimants,” notes Ramon Casiple, Manila-based political commentator and executive director of the Philippine advocacy group Institute for Political and Electoral Reform.

A meeting of all claimants would further isolate China as it bares its teeth against a possible pro-Philippine ruling by the U.N. court, followed by more hostile international opinion against the Communist leadership. “Beijing would like to avoid the international opprobrium that would inevitably follow if the (U.N.) court rules that China’s dashed-line claim is illegal and China refuses to abide by it,” says Bonnie Glaser, senior adviser for Asia at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.
 
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Why is China's tail between its legs? :woot: :lol: They are just asking for talks to sort out the vexed dispute of the SCS.

But China must get out of its aggressive mode on territorial disputes and sort them out with all affected littoral nations for an amicable solution.
 
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The article is written with such mendicant bias. One should appraise the Chinese policy in deep bilateralism, something that has been a hallmark of their foreign policy. If the Philippines and China can develop a framework to "work out" differences, then that's great.

The Philippines and China need to form a direct channel for communication, much like what Japan and China have successfully rated and worked out this year.

So you see, folks, there is light outside the tunnel.

Promising news. :)

Why is China's tail between its legs? :woot: :lol: They are just asking for talks to sort out the vexed dispute of the SCS.

But China must get out of its aggressive mode on territorial disputes and sort them out with all affected littoral nations for an amicable solution.

@OrionHunter ,

One theme that we have to appreciate is that China is willing to entreat with parties and not act on shear unilaterlism as like what Moscow had done in 1) Georgia, 2) The Crimea, 3) The Ukraine.

China, under the leadership of President Xi Jinping and under the guidance of the 13th Plennum's Mandate, is willing to cooperate and to discuss with partners in the region. That is why I admire the Chinese in that nationalistic tendencies aside, they (Chinese Leadership) are mature enough to consider their own weight and capabilities and that of their much smaller neighbors.

Rather, I should say that we should appreciate how restrained the Chinese have been. How all claimants have been restrained, period. I think that this will be the basis for regional cooperation in joint patrols, joint development of said maritime areas. This is an opportunity not only for the Chinese, but for ASEAN and the surrounding Asian region.
 
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This was the last article I'll ever read from Forbes! Until today, I couldn't have believed that the editors @ Forbes were capable of such an oversight.... apparently not...........
 
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Why is China's tail between its legs? :woot: :lol: They are just asking for talks to sort out the vexed dispute of the SCS.

But China must get out of its aggressive mode on territorial disputes and sort them out with all affected littoral nations for an amicable solution.
look who is talking on aggresive mode on territorial disputes:hitwall::hitwall:
 
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The article is written with such mendicant bias. One should appraise the Chinese policy in deep bilateralism, something that has been a hallmark of their foreign policy. If the Philippines and China can develop a framework to "work out" differences, then that's great.

The Philippines and China need to form a direct channel for communication, much like what Japan and China have successfully rated and worked out this year.

So you see, folks, there is light outside the tunnel.

Promising news. :)



@OrionHunter ,

One theme that we have to appreciate is that China is willing to entreat with parties and not act on shear unilaterlism as like what Moscow had done in 1) Georgia, 2) The Crimea, 3) The Ukraine.

China, under the leadership of President Xi Jinping and under the guidance of the 13th Plennum's Mandate, is willing to cooperate and to discuss with partners in the region. That is why I admire the Chinese in that nationalistic tendencies aside, they (Chinese Leadership) are mature enough to consider their own weight and capabilities and that of their much smaller neighbors.

Rather, I should say that we should appreciate how restrained the Chinese have been. How all claimants have been restrained, period. I think that this will be the basis for regional cooperation in joint patrols, joint development of said maritime areas. This is an opportunity not only for the Chinese, but for ASEAN and the surrounding Asian region.

Still, its good to know that China had requested talks and this is the only article having that information.

Yes, the article is biased and anyway, we also see plenty of articles here that are biased on China's side. But again, the info to focus on is the fact that China requested talks.
 
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Offering talks to Aquino? LMAO!!!

Is that backstabbing clown even capable of honoring a deal or keeping his words?I am afraid that “fear” is the only language he can understand
 
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China military conducts drills near Taiwan, Philippines
--yahoo news

BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese warships and aircraft on Wednesday passed through the Bashi Channel between Taiwan and the Philippines to hold routine planned exercises in the Western Pacific, China's Defense Ministry said.

China's increasingly assertive moves to press sovereignty claims in the East and South China Sea have rattled the region and aroused concern in Washington, although the country says it has no hostile intent.

China has overlapping claims with the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei in the South China Sea, through which $5 trillion in ship-borne trade passes every year.

Wednesday's drills could cause alarm because of their location.

China claims self-ruled and democratic Taiwan as its own and has never renounced the use of force to gain control, while China and the Philippines have one of the most bitter disputes over the South China Sea of all the claimants.

The joint drills tested and perfected battle strategies and "achieved their expected aims", navy spokesman Liang Yang said in a ministry statement.

The exercises, in the waters east of the Bashi Channel, were routine annual drills, not aimed at any specific country or region and accorded with international law and practices, Liang said.

"During the drills there was no impact upon freedom of navigation or fly-through in the relevant seas or air," he added.

Such drills involving ships and aircraft far out at sea are common practice in other countries and normal for China's military.

"Going forward, similar drills and exercises will keep taking place," Liang said.

An official of the Philippine coast guard said it had noticed nothing unusual in the waters to the north of the country, where the Bashi Channel is located.

Taiwan's Defense Ministry said it monitored the drills closely, adding that it was not the first time China had done exercises in the area.

China has ramped up defense spending to modernize its forces, the world's largest, which are gaining experience in operating far from its coast.

In a defense strategy paper last month, China vowed to continue growing its "open seas protection" and criticized neighbors who take "provocative actions" on its reefs and islands.
 
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Still, its good to know that China had requested talks and this is the only article having that information.

Yes, the article is biased and anyway, we also see plenty of articles here that are biased on China's side. But again, the info to focus on is the fact that China requested talks.

Yes, and I think this is exactly what is needed to re-orient the region towards inclusivity.
 
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Still, its good to know that China had requested talks and this is the only article having that information.

Yes, the article is biased and anyway, we also see plenty of articles here that are biased on China's side. But again, the info to focus on is the fact that China requested talks.

Not sure if China is asking for talks because of international criticism (if this is the case, then China would also be asking VN and Malaysia for talks). I'm inclined to think China is specifically asking the Philippines for talks because China now realized that the Abitral tribunal case might not be going too well for China.
 
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