With eye on China, India shifts 50,000 additional troops to border in historic move: Report

[kingQamaR]

you really are bunch of pathetic Indians, with a deep mental hatred to Pakistanis and no one else. I don’t believe anything they say about China I would say the opposite is that if they lost all of Ladakh to China they could live with that. and if they could raise another 1 million troops guess where they will be sending them on which border lol ….. losers have deep down respect for our race

 

[Titanium100]

"Bone crushing..."

Oh my goodness almost 100.000 forces just surrendered like that.. I don't think this has happened anywhere in the world or even in history

 

[Tornado23]

Lol ..what batshit have you Chinese been having?

Don't buy into these Pakistani propaganda videos on YouTube.

Who can not get over the fact, that they carry the shameful badge of largest surrender ever after world war 2, by claiming that more 98 thousand Indian troop surrendered in 1962. Where as Chinese them selves claim, that total number was about three thousand.

Largest capture of pow/surrender after Ww2 was Iraq during the gulf War.

80,000 troops surrendered to the coalition forces.

Pakistan only had 34,000 regulars of which 4000 obtained shahadat. How does 34,000 = 90k? It doesn't. You screech about pakistani propaganda when you yourself just laid down some propaganda. Well done moron

 

[ProudPak]

FAKE NEWS

India has not moved any divisions from Pak border.
the divisions moved were
1. mountain reserve division from east UP
2. infantry division from Jharkhand.

yes the 1 strike corps meant for ops in Punjab was converted (2 more divisions) to Mountain strike corps but it has a dual role aimed at BOTH Pakistan and China.
It can carry out massive and bone-crushing offensives against both China and Pak where required.

Despite recalibration, Indian Army's 1 Strike Corps to be available for use against Pakistan

07-Jun-2021 This recalibration includes the change in the operational role of the 1 Corps towards the northern sector with China, including Ladakh, from the earlier focus on Pakistan. The truncated 17 Corps, in turn, will have a strike role in the eastern sector, including the Chumbi Valley...

defence.pk

Thus no change in offensive power against Pak.

Makes no difference remember last time you believed in your own drama

 

[Anik101]

Largest capture of pow/surrender after Ww2 was Iraq during the gulf War.

80,000 troops surrendered to the coalition forces.

Pakistan only had 34,000 regulars of which 4000 obtained shahadat. How does 34,000 = 90k? It doesn't. You screech about pakistani propaganda when you yourself just laid down some propaganda. Well done moron

Postal stamp released by Pakistani government in 1973

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[Osiris]

Largest capture of pow/surrender after Ww2 was Iraq during the gulf War.

80,000 troops surrendered to the coalition forces.

Pakistan only had 34,000 regulars of which 4000 obtained shahadat. How does 34,000 = 90k? It doesn't. You screech about pakistani propaganda when you yourself just laid down some propaganda. Well done moron

India took approximately 93,000 prisoners of war that included Pakistani soldiers as well as some of their East Pakistani collaborators.

79,676 of these prisoners were uniformed personnel, of which 55,692 were Army, 16,354 Paramilitary, 5,296 Police, 1000 Navy and 800 PAF. The remaining 13,324 prisoners were civilians - either family members of the military personnel or bihari razarkars.

Of the 93000 Pakistanis who surrendered, only 13000 were civilians.

 

[Jobless Jack]

‘India Has Moved 4 Divisions from Pak to Ladakh Border, Creating Vulnerability If Pak Is Aggressive’

Lol why?

With rising expenditures + a destroyed economy + decrease in social order and unity. India unfortunetly is well on its way to disinegration. Pakistan or any of her neighbours dont need to fire a shot here.

A war with pakistan only helps Modi G win another 5 years in 2024..

 

[Tornado23]

Postal stamp released by Pakistani government in 1973
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93,000 Pakistani soldiers did not surrender in 1971 because….?

ByNews Desk

1 April 2017

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Dr. Junaid Ahmad|

December 16, 1971, was an ominous day for Pakistan, because the Pakistani army’s scattered divisions sandwiched between an internal insurgency supported by Indian war machine and Indian army columns finally decided to surrender. To this day popular imagination and rhetoric is that 93,000 soldiers of Pakistan surrendered to victorious India and were taken as POWs (Prisoners of War).

But the funny thing is: Pakistan, in December 1971, could not have more than 45,000 soldiers on ground in former east-Pakistan. So where the magical figure of 93,000 came from?

This highly exaggerated figure is sustained by Indian, Bangladeshi, international and even Pakistani media. Many Pakistani politicians, out of spite for army, keep on repeating the cliched figure. Ironically, this propagated number has remained unchallenged and is also widely believed in Pakistan, as few accounts have been written to challenge it and today reportedly 65% of Pakistanis are younger than 35 years of age who have no idea of what happened, 45 years ago, in 1971.

But the funny thing is: Pakistan, in December 1971, could not have more than 45,000 soldiers on ground in former east-Pakistan. So where the magical figure of 93,000 came from?

How many Pakistani troops were in East Pakistan?

The number of 93,000 soldiers that is talked about has been conflated with civilians. West Pakistani civilians who were present in large numbers in former East-Pakistan were taken over into custody by Indian army to protect them from revengeful Bengali crowds and Mukit Bahni.

Undisputed fact is that Pakistan had only one corps comprising three divisions in East Pakistan during 1971. In fact when operation search light began on 25th March, 1971, the total number of Pakistani troops on ground were around 27,000. More troops were sent from west Pakistan but they had to arrive through a long circuitous route since India had blocked air route over India taking advantage of the famous “Ganga Hijacking Case” (believed to be a false flag planned by RAW for this purpose)

The three divisions, of Pakistan army, by end November 1971, comprised a total force of 45,000, on books, including combatant and non-combatant troops. Out of these, there were 34,000 combatant troops and the remaining 11,000 were non-combatants, supporting men and CAF personnel. But between six to seven thousand Pakistani soldiers died in the war also.



According to Lt Gen Naizi, Corps Commander of Eastern Command in 1971.

“The total fighting strength available to me [Gen Naizi] was forty-five thousand – 34,000 from the army, plus 11,000 from CAF and West Pakistan civilian police and armed non-combatants”who were fighting against the insurgents. Even if the strength of HL, MLA, depots, training institutes, workshops, factories, nursesand lady doctors, non-combatants like barbers, cooks, shoemakers and sweepers are added, even then the total comes to only 55,000.

Air Marshal Rahim khan, CNC Pakistan Air Force (1969-1972), had stated:

“The number of regular Pakistani troops in East Pakistan never exceeded 33,000-34,000. The rest is just propaganda by India and the Awami League, to magnify their success….”

Air Marshal Zulfiqar Ali Khan, who commended Eastern Wing of Pakistan Air Forces had asserted the same in these words:

“At the maximum, our regular fighting force in East Pakistan in December 1971 stood at 34,000. This figure does not include paramilitary personnel, military police, etc. Even if you include the auxiliaries, the total does not cross 45,000”.

General Akhtar Abdul Rehman. Former Vice Chief of Army Staff, speaking on the 1971 conundrum stated

“It was impossible for the 34,000 Pakistani troops in East Pakistan or for that matter any army in the world to fight against the combined strength of 200,000 Indian army and 170,000 Mukti Bahini, If not more, that too in a hostile environment 1200 miles away from West Pakistan …… Keeping into account all this, if the Indians still feel that they achieved a stunning military victory against Pakistan, I can only say they have fallen prey to their own propaganda”.

US congressman, Charles Wilson (famous for Charlie Wilson’s War) in a discussion with Pakistani diplomats in Washington DC remarked.

“……In 1971, it was certainly not possible for the 35,000 Pakistani troops in Dhaka to fight against the combined strength of 200,000 Indian army and the more than 100,000 Indian-trained Bengali guerillas.”

Another US congressman, Stephen Solarz, commenting on the War of 1971 in June 1989, remarked,

“Pakistanis are energetic, vibrant, and resilient. We must not be misled by 1971. It was certainly not possible for the 40,000 odd Pakistani army in Dhaka to fight against much larger Indian army and Indian-trained Bengali Bahinis in a hostile territory ….”

K C Pant, Indian former Defense Minister in September, 1994 during a discussion on Indo-Pak relations held in New Delhi, said

“Peace is important between Pakistan and India. We respect the professional competence of the Pakistani soldier. Had democracy continued in Pakistan, Islamabad would not have suffered the debacle resulting in the surrender of its 40,000 military personnel to India in East Pakistan”.

Sarmila Bose, the famous Indian Bengali writer and Associate Researcher at Oxford University in her book Dead Reckoning published in 2011, asserts

“…… t appears that while the total figure in Indian custody is about right, to state that 93,000 soldiers were taken prisoner is wrong, and creates confusions by greatly inflating the Pakistani fighting force in East Pakistan”.

Javed Jabbar, former Pakistani Minister of Information in his article, Estranged siblings-Pakistan and Bangladesh, 40 years later, wrote

“Pakistan’s armed forces did not exceed 45,000 troops at optimal levels. The 90,000 prisoners-of-war held by India included over 50,000 non- combatant, unarmed West Pakistani civilians.”

 

[Tornado23]

India took approximately 93,000 prisoners of war that included Pakistani soldiers as well as some of their East Pakistani collaborators.

79,676 of these prisoners were uniformed personnel, of which 55,692 were Army, 16,354 Paramilitary, 5,296 Police, 1000 Navy and 800 PAF. The remaining 13,324 prisoners were civilians - either family members of the military personnel or bihari razarkars.

Of the 93000 Pakistanis who surrendered, only 13000 were civilians.

Those are dumb figures

'“The total fighting strength available to me [Gen Naizi] was forty-five thousand – 34,000 from the army, plus 11,000 from CAF and West Pakistan civilian police and armed non-combatants”who were fighting against the insurgents. Even if the strength of HL, MLA, depots, training institutes, workshops, factories, nursesand lady doctors, non-combatants like barbers, cooks, shoemakers and sweepers are added, even then the total comes to only 55,000.'

Over 4000 soldiers obtained shahadat bringing the figure further down.

If we wanna go by other neutral observers points

Javed Jabbar, former Pakistani Minister of Information in his article, Estranged siblings-Pakistan and Bangladesh, 40 years later, wrote

“Pakistan’s armed forces did not exceed 45,000 troops at optimal levels. The 90,000 prisoners-of-war held by India included over 50,000 non- combatant, unarmed West Pakistani civilians.”

K C Pant, Indian former Defense Minister in September, 1994 during a discussion on Indo-Pak relations held in New Delhi, said

“Peace is important between Pakistan and India. We respect the professional competence of the Pakistani soldier. Had democracy continued in Pakistan, Islamabad would not have suffered the debacle resulting in the surrender of its 40,000 military personnel to India in East Pakistan”.


Man your military loves civillians. It loves killing them, abusing them, using them in their propaganda...

 

[hussain0216]

India is scared of China

And has desperately tried to make some peace with Pakistan so it doesn't get hit from both sides and has two hostile fronts


Simple

 

[Bossman]

FAKE NEWS

India has not moved any divisions from Pak border.
the divisions moved were
1. mountain reserve division from east UP
2. infantry division from Jharkhand.

yes the 1 strike corps meant for ops in Punjab was converted (2 more divisions) to Mountain strike corps but it has a dual role aimed at BOTH Pakistan and China.
It can carry out massive and bone-crushing offensives against both China and Pak where required.

Despite recalibration, Indian Army's 1 Strike Corps to be available for use against Pakistan

07-Jun-2021 This recalibration includes the change in the operational role of the 1 Corps towards the northern sector with China, including Ladakh, from the earlier focus on Pakistan. The truncated 17 Corps, in turn, will have a strike role in the eastern sector, including the Chumbi Valley...

defence.pk

Thus no change in offensive power against Pak.

Another naive Indian with his head in his a$$ wanting to be humiliated. Happens every week on this forum.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Postal stamp released by Pakistani government in 1973
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Pakistan Stamps 1973 90,000 Pakistani Prisoners of War - £2.00GBP : Pakistan Stamps Treasure

Pakistan Stamps Treasure Pakistan Stamps 1973 90,000 Pakistani Prisoners of War - Pakistan Stamp 1973 90,000 Pakistani Prisoners of War Languishing In Indian Camps 1965 War Item is in Mint Condition As In Picture. Get It Before Its Gone . Save The Vintage For The Future.

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Idiocy have no limits.....Don't you see even on stamp there are old and children also depicted?
Only 20 to 23000 were soldier and support staff.....rest of the prisoners were civilians.

 

[crankthatskunk]

This is why they wanted peace with Pakistan. Pakistan should build the pressure after some time, so that they move back some of the divisions to Pak border again

For that to happen. Bajwa needs injections of testosterone.
I am afraid no amount of testosterone would work for him.

India always gets away with it, be it propaganda, maligning the name of Pakistan, wowing the West, showing aggression, etc. etc.

While our men in "Pantaloons" pump up the chest, flex their mussels in their bedrooms and satisfy that they are men.

While us idiots claims here and on other forums that Indians are weak and cowards. It may be.
But what Pakistanis are doing!!

There were times in last two years, when aggressive approach from Pakistan was needed. when China was taking on India. Bit of a moment and India would have not dared anything in Kashmir.

Instead our idiots listen to USA and calm down the borders with India.
Recent events and attitude of USA did give some new experience which was not learned in last 70+ years!!

The English saying , you fool me twice "The Shame is on me".

I rest my case.

 

[Vapnope]

Idiocy have no limits.....Don't you even on stamp there are old and children also depicted?
Only 20 to 23000 were soldier and support staff.....rest of the prisoners were civilians.

Their claims are always like that,
Mirage squadron shot down
30 launch pads destroyed in surgical strike
350 militants killed
F16 shot down
Lt Gen Bilal Akbar fatally injured... so on and on.

So they can claim 93000 if that helps their ego.

 

[GumNaam]

‘India Has Moved 4 Divisions from Pak to Ladakh Border, Creating Vulnerability If Pak Is Aggressive’

I guess the indians are in the mood trying out some fantashtik green tea!