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With 89pc, Pakistan tops the list of most patriotic nations in Asia: Gallup

Do you have any evidence or proof of your claims?
name one empire that ruled significant parts of india prior to bin qasim. Aside frm parts of western and north western india being ruled briefly by scythians and kushans, therale are none.. Whereas for thousands of years, Pakistan has been ruled by scythians, kushans, gandharans, mauryans, guptas, hunas, mugals, and later british, all of which are foreign to pakistan.


As for the mughals, they ruled all of northern and western india by the time of akbar's death, but not southern and easten india. Aurangzeb briefly conquered those areas before the mughals were destroyed by the marathas.
 
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name one empire that ruled significant parts of india prior to bin qasim. Aside frm parts of western and north western india being ruled briefly by scythians and kushans, therale are none.. Whereas for thousands of years, Pakistan has been ruled by scythians, kushans, gandharans, mauryans, guptas, hunas, mugals, and later british, all of which are foreign to pakistan.


As for the mughals, they ruled all of northern and western india by the time of akbar's death, but not southern and easten india. Aurangzeb briefly conquered those areas before the mughals were destroyed by the marathas.



Can you post a link that confirms all the above?
 
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Mauryan empire 322 BC-185 BC

Shunga Empire(185 Bc- 75 BC)
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India between the Shunga and Gupta Empires. Aside from Western and Northwestern India being ruled by Kushans and Satraps, notice how India is ruled by indigenous Empire, with the Satavahans being dominant. Whereas almost all of Pakistan is ruled by the Chines Kushans and the Greek Satraps.
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Gupta empire
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Gujar Pratihar empire


Notice how at this time Pakistan is ruled by Arabs? Whereas only the westernmost parts of rajasthan are ruled by Arabs.

It was only after the invasion of Bin Qasim after the fall of the Gujar-Pratihara Empire that significant parts of India fell under foreign rule, but only for a relatively short time until the rise of the Marathas.
 
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India's figures are probably low because of the Muslims.

It's good to see that most of them appear to also consider themselves Muslim first, alhamdulillah.
That's not true, I've met many Indian Muslims - they're just as nationalist, if not more, than their Hindu counterparts.
 
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countless times. India was never succesfully invadedd by any power untill the 10th century ce. Even then the mughals ruled north india for only a couple centuries before getting defeated by the marathas. Whereas modern day pakistan was ruled by every power passing through and never had any notable indiginous empire.

Oh honey.

You have a very warped imagination of warfare or being conquered.
 
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countless times. India was never succesfully invadedd by any power untill the 10th century ce. Even then the mughals ruled north india for only a couple centuries before getting defeated by the marathas. Whereas modern day pakistan was ruled by every power passing through and never had any notable indiginous empire.
Your own capital was once under Muslim rule for half a millennium, which served as a seat of power for many foreign dynasties. These dynasties had a stronger grip over Northern India than they did over the Indus Region, most of which was semi-independent and autonomous.

It is also difficult to define 'India' and what is 'foreign' to it in the context of the ancient period. You cannot just turn Asia into a supposed people/nation and then claim it wasn't invaded by foreigners until the 17th-18th centuries. For example, South Indian Kingdoms may have been foreign to North Indian lands.

India (in a geographical sense) has oceans to the South, Himalayas to the North, deltas/jungles to the East and a 300-mile long desert which separates most of the Indus from India to the West. So of-course it was very difficult for any invader to get through.

Most invading forces were already worn out fighting resistance in the Indus region to press on any further, a famous example being Alexander, whom despite being backed by the most powerful Indus Kingdom (Taxila) did not have the means or morale to advance into India. Another example being the Mongolians as their blood ran our rivers red and were overturned.

Also yes, it is true that Pakistan has never had any large-scale Empire and that is because there was never a common identity for our ancestors to unite upon. We were mostly split into tribes (Biradaris) and loyalty to the tribe was more important than anything else. We constantly fought among ourselves and even Islam was not able to unite us (until the creation of Pakistan). There were still many renowned Kingdoms that sprung out of the Indus such as Gandhara, Sindh, Shahis, Multan, Madra, and etc... A few Misls managed to unite under the new religion of Sikhism and look how they managed to carve out an Empire.
Chines Kushans and the Greek Satraps
Kushans were not Chinese and the Indo-Greek States of the Indus Region by that time became increasingly culturally fused to the point that they were no longer considered foreign.

Mauryan empire 322 BC-185 BC
Mauryan Rule over the Indus Valley lasted less than a century before they were booted out, there were many revolts against Mauryan rule; mostly notably in Taxila. Mauryan Empire is the only successful Indian Empire that was able to conquer and tame the Indus region for a relevant amount of time.

Gupta empire
That map includes tributary states which is wrong. They never conquered or ruled over the Indus region only managing to gain tribute from weak border states who were dealing with invasions from the West.

This is the more accurate and correct map:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Map_for_Gupta_Empire_and_tributaries.svg

It was not long before these tributary states stop paying tribute ;)


Notice how at this time Pakistan is ruled by Arabs? Whereas only the westernmost parts of rajasthan are ruled by Arabs.
Arab rule over Pakistan was actually quite shorter than what it is portrayed. Natives eventually regained their lands through a series of revolts leading to the famed Soomra and Samma dynasties of Sindh.
 
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South Indian Kingdoms may have been foreign to North Indian lands.
This is absolutely not correct bhai.

They were politically divided but United by paganism.

Islam tried uniting them both politically and culturally.

That's not true, I've met many Indian Muslims - they're just as nationalist, if not more, than their Hindu counterparts.
Possible. But the nationalism is very different from the one practiced by Hindus.

I, for one, consider it conditional.
 
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If you noticed, there is a strong correlation between walth and patriotism. Wealthier countries are generally less patriotic than poorer countries. India is wealthier than pakistan, afghanistan, bangladesh, and about on par with vietnam. China is wealthier than any country in south asia but poorer than korea and japan, and this list shows that.
An average median wealth of a Pakistani is nearly three times higher than that of an Indian.

Possible. But the nationalism is very different from the one practiced by Hindus.

I, for one, consider it conditional.
They're fun to debate. A good way to shut Indian Muslims up is reminding them how India elected a leader that was responsible for killing countless Muslims in Gujarat.
 
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Your own capital was once under Muslim rule for half a millennium, which served as a seat of power for many foreign dynasties. These dynasties had a stronger grip over Northern India than they did over the Indus Region, most of which was semi-independent and autonomous.

It is also difficult to define 'India' and what is 'foreign' to it in the context of the ancient period. You cannot just turn Asia into a supposed people/nation and then claim it wasn't invaded by foreigners until the 17th-18th centuries. For example, South Indian Kingdoms may have been foreign to North Indian lands.

India (in a geographical sense) has oceans to the South, Himalayas to the North, deltas/jungles to the East and a 300-mile long desert which separates most of the Indus from India to the West. So of-course it was very difficult for any invader to get through.

Most invading forces were already worn out fighting resistance in the Indus region to press on any further, a famous example being Alexander, whom despite being backed by the most powerful Indus Kingdom (Taxila) did not have the means or morale to advance into India. Another example being the Mongolians as their blood ran our rivers red and were overturned.

Also yes, it is true that Pakistan has never had any large-scale Empire and that is because there was never a common identity for our ancestors to unite upon. We were mostly split into tribes (Biradaris) and loyalty to the tribe was more important than anything else. We constantly fought among ourselves and even Islam was not able to unite us (until the creation of Pakistan). There were still many renowned Kingdoms that sprung out of the Indus such as Gandhara, Sindh, Shahis, Multan, Madra, and etc... A few Misls managed to unite under the new religion of Sikhism and look how they managed to carve out an Empire.

Kushans were not Chinese and the Indo-Greek States of the Indus Region by that time became increasingly culturally fused to the point that they were no longer considered foreign.


Mauryan Rule over the Indus Valley lasted less than a century before they were booted out, there were many revolts against Mauryan rule; mostly notably in Taxila. Mauryan Empire is the only successful Indian Empire that was able to conquer and tame the Indus region for a relevant amount of time.


That map includes tributary states which is wrong. They never conquered or ruled over the Indus region only managing to gain tribute from weak border states who were dealing with invasions from the West.

This is the more accurate and correct map:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Map_for_Gupta_Empire_and_tributaries.svg

It was not long before these tributary states stop paying tribute ;)



Arab rule over Pakistan was actually quite shorter than what it is portrayed. Natives eventually regained their lands through a series of revolts leading to the famed Soomra and Samma dynasties of Sindh.
Yes i know north india(up, bihar,madhya pradesh) was consolidated under muslim rule for about 500 years. However, that is still relatively short compred to the history of the lands of the modern republic of india. Also, it irks me when people(mosly pakistanis) say india was ruled for 1000 years, because that statement does not consider the fact that india is a country of many regions, each with its different history. Jusy because Bihar was ruled by mughals for half a century does not mean the same applies to tamil nadu or odisha. And some pakistanis fail to realize the only part of "India" that was ruled for 1000 years was modern pakistan.

Another thing, hstorically delhi was not a hugely important city. The center of power in northern india was historically pataliputra(patna) and magadh. TBH it was not until the mughals that Indraprasth(Which they named delhi) became important. It was during this time that other cities such as lucknow and bhopal became important while older cities such as pataliputra, ujjain, and magadh faded.

And i know mauryan rule over pak was short lived I was just showing maps of indian empires to show that for most of its history, India was ruled by indiginous empires.

An average median wealth of a Pakistani is nearly three times higher than that of an Indian.


They're fun to debate. A good way to shut Indian Muslims up is reminding them how India elected a leader that was responsible for killing countless Muslims in Gujarat.
Are you sure about that? Last time i checked it was only slightly higher than india. And the median wealth index does have flaws and is not often used by economists. India ranks higher than pakistan on HDI and multidimensional poverty, and has a higher gdp per capita.
 
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That's not true, I've met many Indian Muslims - they're just as nationalist, if not more, than their Hindu counterparts.

I've never met a single one like that outside of the internet. All the ones I've met in real life have been the polar opposite.
 
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