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U.S. Infrared Satellite Data Could Settle The Debate Over Pakistan-India Dogfight
The constellation of orbital sensors can detect infrared events such as missile launches, artillery fire, and planes exploding in the sky.
BY TYLER ROGOWAYAPRIL 10, 2019
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America's constellation of panoptic infrared early warning satellites is known for providing the Pentagon with the first indication that a ballistic missile launch has occurred and where to cue the attention of other sensors so that the missile can be tracked, classified, and even potentially intercepted. Yet America's huge investment in orbital early warning platforms, which dates back to the 1960s, has also resulted in a secondary function for these systems—picking up much more than just large rocket and ballistic missile launches. These ancillary events can include the launch of smaller missiles, like surface-to-air and even air-to-air types, artillery barrages, large detonations on the ground... and exploding aircraft.

The limited air battle between India and Pakistan that occurred over Kashmir on February 28, 2019, is one of the most hotly contested military events we have seen in a long time. Misinformation flowed like a waterfall in the hours, days, and weeks following the shoot-down of the Indian MiG-21 Bison by a Pakistani fighter, with allegations of systemic deception at the highest levels of government being flung with reckless abandon across both sides of Line Of Control. In fact, it continues to this very day with no sign of abating.

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INDIAN MOD/ASUSPINE

We have covered the story in extreme depth and tried to separate myth from reality and knowns from unknowns as much as possible in an attempt to bring an objective and well-versed viewpoint to the alarmingly murky and spiteful debate. But even a month and a half after the aerial engagement happened, what exactly occurred during it remains unclear. India says their MiG-21 pilot that got shot down also shot down a fighter of his own—a Pakistani F-16—moments before his aircraft was struck. Meanwhile, Pakistan claims they lost no aircraft during the engagement and reports attributed to undisclosed sources state that all of its F-16s are accounted for.

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So, when it comes to the air-to-air side of hostilities, we are left with one crucial question that has tensions boiling between the two long-time foes—was a Pakistani fighter shot down or not? India has produced some far from conclusive "radar data" that they say shows the F-16 being shot down. It also provides general positioning information of the aircraft involved and especially of the MiG-21 in relation to the F-16 that New Delhi says was shot down by its MiG pilot.

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YOUTUBE SCREENGRAB
One of a just a handful of still screenshots offered up as "radar data" by the Indian Air Force shows the position of aircraft over Kashmir when the shootdown occurred.

But with just a few screenshots to go by of said radar data and with Pakistan unwilling to provide any additional info of their own, the two sides seem locked in an informational stalemate of sorts, where one narrative is constantly pitted against the other without end.

The thing is that the Pentagon very likely possesses sensor data that can unequivocally prove one story right and the other wrong. That aforementioned infrared early warning constellation includes Space Based Infrared System (SBIRS) and Defense Support Program (DSP) satellites—the former being the more modern and advanced of the two. You can and should read all about these fascinating satellites and their origins in this past feature of mine.

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LOCKHEED MARTIN
It is all but certain that portions of America's space-based infrared early warning system staring down on the India-Pakistan area as the air battle unfolded. With the two countries possessing enough nuclear warheads to cause significant harm to the globe—many of which would be deployed via ballistic missile—the region is something of a "must monitor" for Department of Defense. This is especially true considering a nearly unprecedented bombing raid into Pakistani territory occurred just a day before the air engagement in question and a full-out war between the bitter foes could have been right around the corner.

As we mentioned earlier, these satellites not only have a strategic function, they also have a tactical one in that they have the ability to detect non-ballistic missile launches and other infrared events. In fact, there is an entire Air Force unit tasked with squeezing out secondary surveillance products from these spacecraft that constantly stare at the earther's surface. And they see a lot. In 2014, over 8,000 separate infrared events were detected and cataloged, the next year was even busier.

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Slide from a 1998 presentation on SBIRS' capability.

So, it is probable that any missile launches that occurred that day, whether it was an AIM-120 AMRAAM from the Pakistani F-16 or the R-73 from the Indian MiG-21, could have been detected, geolocated, and catalogized. But it is even less challenging for the satellites to detect a missile exploding in mid-air and causing the aircraft it showers with shrapnel to erupt into a massive fireball.

This is not conjecture. The downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 over Eastern Ukraine was picked up by SBIRS, as was the SA-11's missile launch that doomed that Boeing 777. The bombing of Metrojet Flight 9268 over the Sanai Peninsula was also detected by SBIRS. So, are we to believe that a fighter loaded with weapons and fuel, flying over what could be an imminent flashpoint of war between two nuclear powers, had a missile blow it out of the sky and it wasn't detected?

Highly unlikely, to say the least.

That data could totally validate or invalidate the radar surveillance data India has presented, including correlating the locations of the MiG and F-16 with the geolocations and timing of the infrared events detected.

So why isn't the U.S. setting the record straight assuming it has this information? Geopolitically there is a long list of reasons for the U.S. not to inject itself into a conflict between two nuclear-armed powers with different levels of complex relations with Washington D.C. In addition, the Pentagon has never been all that talkative about the secondary uses for its space-based infrared early warning network and detecting terrestrial infrared events is just one of its potentially secondary applications. Leveraging this information in real time could have huge advantages during a conflict, so it seems to only be talked about when it is absolutely necessary—like the shoot down of MH17, an event that Russia was accused of having a direct hand in.

So, there you have it. As the brutal information war on the internet rages on between the two estranged neighbors, keep in mind that the U.S. could most likely settle the debate once and for all with data it has had since the moment the engagement occurred. And this is just one intelligence product among many that the Pentagon and the U.S. intelligence community can pull from to make an accurate analysis of what went on that day. But as of yet, nobody with the power to do so is willing to offer up such definitive information to put the issue to rest.

It's possible that unless that changes, we may never truly know exactly what went on in the chaotic skies over Kashmir on that fateful day.

Contact the author: Tyler@thedrive.com
 
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But there is nothing mentioned about the 2nd plane which PAF shot down. PM IK recently claimed to shot down 2 indian jets on World's biggest forum yet no talk about it while pro Indian western media is desperate to find out the truth about Pakistani F16 which Indians, nonsensically claim it depsite of the American count. Talk should only be about whether second Indian plane downed by paf was su30 or not.
 
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It's in Pakistan and India's best interest this doesn't come out. If one version is proven wrong. The people will cry for blood and cause major embarrassment for the army and might force them into doing something stupid.

Right now both camps are happy with the versions provided by their army, so let it be. Also US clearly wants to maintain relations with both countries, and will not do anything to spoil that.
 
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And mind you Indian won't feel any embarrassement since in their hearts they all know what happened to them on feb 27. They even dont care how their Mi17 was shot down by their own system which they were denying it for months so in short, words like humiliation and embarrassement, is out of their dictionary.

It's in Pakistan and India's best interest this doesn't come out. If one version is proven wrong. The people will cry for blood and cause major embarrassment for the army and might force them into doing something stupid.

Right now both camps are happy with the versions provided by their army, so let it be. Also US clearly wants to maintain relations with both countries, and will not do anything to spoil that.

Its funny to see Indians are happy with their version lol seriously... Minimum, it's 1-0 to Pakistan plus an additional bonus of Mi17 by your own missile so even with neutral point of view, it's Pakistani side who should be and is more happy. Here I am even not talking about the paf SOW bombings on Indian side. If I were an Indian, I would had be very concerned with current IAF state. All big talk but little substance when things really mattered.
 
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It's in Pakistan and India's best interest this doesn't come out. If one version is proven wrong. The people will cry for blood and cause major embarrassment for the army and might force them into doing something stupid.

Right now both camps are happy with the versions provided by their army, so let it be. Also US clearly wants to maintain relations with both countries, and will not do anything to spoil that.
Truth must be established once for all times to come.
 
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Its funny to see Indians are happy with their version lol seriously... Minimum, it's 1-0 to Pakistan plus an additional bonus of Mi17 by your own missile so even with neutral point of view, it's Pakistani side who should be and is more happy. Here I am even not talking about the paf SOW bombings on Indian side. If I were an Indian, I would had be very concerned with current IAF state. All big talk but little substance when things really mattered

But that's because you choose to believe the PAF version. Which is perfectly fine. Indians believe, IAF bombed a terror camp in balakot. Pak retaliated. India lost a jet, their pilot captured. India's aggressive diplomacy forced Pak into releasing their pilot. So why would Indians be concerned about IAF state?

Unless Indian version is proven wrong by a neutral source. There isn't anything to worry.

Same applies with Pakistan.

Truth must be established once for all times to come.

Oh I wish that too. But unfortunately it won't be. US wont let the details out. Neither will any of the side (Pak or India) accept that they were beaten. So its like this parallel reality will remain.
 
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only indians cry for blood and because india has been lying, it will only embarass indian government.



It's in Pakistan and India's best interest this doesn't come out. If one version is proven wrong. The people will cry for blood and cause major embarrassment for the army and might force them into doing something stupid.

Right now both camps are happy with the versions provided by their army, so let it be. Also US clearly wants to maintain relations with both countries, and will not do anything to spoil that.
 
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only indians cry for blood and because india has been lying, it will only embarass indian government.
Like I said, each side will choose to believe their version and call other a liar. Futile to even argue on this.
 
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But that's because you choose to believe the PAF version. Which is perfectly fine. Indians believe, IAF bombed a terror camp in balakot. Pak retaliated. India lost a jet, their pilot captured. India's aggressive diplomacy forced Pak into releasing their pilot. So why would Indians be concerned about IAF state?

Unless Indian version is proven wrong by a neutral source. There isn't anything to worry.

Same applies with Pakistan.



Oh I wish that too. But unfortunately it won't be. US wont let the details out. Neither will any of the side (Pak or India) accept that they were beaten. So its like this parallel reality will remain.

So you have no issues with iaf spanking on feb 27. P. S. No neutral source needed regarding Indian bombing on that Balakot so called terrorist camp. Its obvious nothing such happened to any man made structure. It is similar to the saying that tomorrow if your Govt starts claiming that the sun revolves around the earth not the other way around, Indians will start happily believing in it.
 
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Oh I wish that too. But unfortunately it won't be. US wont let the details out. Neither will any of the side (Pak or India) accept that they were beaten. So its like this parallel reality will remain.
TBH, we have not worries about revelation of the facts and evidence.
 
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The truth should come out in the open. We know that our narrative is 100% correct.
 
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All Pakistanis are open to the suggestion that if US has this info, they should make it public. Only you came with your theory of people crying blood, embaressment and war, shows who does not want to hear the truth.

Like I said, each side will choose to believe their version and call other a liar. Futile to even argue on this.
 
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