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The mounting military tensions at Doklam, the triboundary area connecting Bhutan, China, and India, have generated the impression that India and China are going to repeat their 1962 war. Official Chinese media and think tanks have warned India that conflict can lead to war if not handled properly and India should learn lessons from history. When asked about the possibility of the current dispute escalating, Luo Zhaohui, China’s ambassador to India, did not dismiss the likelihood of such a development. And an article in The Global Times, referring to India’s involvement on behalf of Bhutan, reminded New Delhi that “under India’s logic, if the Pakistani government requests, a third country’s army can enter the area disputed by India and Pakistan.”


In New Delhi the rhetoric is similarly tough. For instance, when Beijing invoked the 1962 war and its humiliation for India, Defense Minister Arun Jaitley replied that “India of 2017 is different from India of 1962.” Likewise, General Bipin Rawat, India’s chief of army staff also acknowledged the possibility of an Indo-China war and said that the”Indian Army is fully ready for a two and a half front war.” The government’s recent authorization of the army to make an emergency purchases of ammunition, stores, and spares for several weapon platforms also point toward an impending short, intense war between India and China. Taking it further, some policy observers have directly compared the current standoff with 1962 by casting new actors and settings; Narendra Modi and Bipin Rawat instead of Jawaharlal Nehru and B.M. Kaul, and Doklam in place of Dhola Post.


The fear of an India-China war does not emanate from the Doklam standoff in isolation. The possibility of war between the two nuclear-armed giants of the Asia-Pacific, with their 2.6 billion combined population, has been one of the significant concerns of the global strategic community for the last few decades. Certainly, a war, which could cause thousands of casualties and decimate a substantial part of the global economy, is a pressing matter for the strategic community.


The most significant question regarding escalation is who would fire the first bullet, India or China? Interestingly, answering this question will help us to answer the million dollar question: will there be another India-China war? In my view, either side escalating the current border skirmishes to a short or long war is unlikely for many reasons.


Will India Go to War With China?

If the question is whether India will go to war with China, my answer is a sound “no.”
The reasons go beyond strategic calculations, such as strength and numbers of forces and weapons. In other words, cognisance of pure military strength and weakness is not the primary force that stops New Delhi from firing the first bullet against its enemy. It is the structure of the government, and concerns of leaders about the domestic constituency that holds back a forward move.


Let me clarify this. War is fundamentally a political act. It is not the military, who fights the war, but rather the political leaders, who declare the war, that are accountable for its outcome. A war can bring different incentives for domestic institutions including a change of government or change of leadership.


In their Selectorate Theory of War, Bueno De Mesquita, James D. Morrow, Randolph M. Siverson, and Alastair Smith explain the general tendency of democratic leaders to fight easier wars. According to the theory, democratic leaders are more likely to opt out of difficult wars because their grip on power is more contingent on the support of the population. Compared to other types of regimes, in a democracy, the chances are high that the outcome of the war will be reflected in the re-election campaign. Therefore, once a war is underway democratic leaders need to ensure nothing less than victory. The necessity of a win to secure support from the domestic constituency compels leaders to put in additional efforts, including more military spending at the price of public welfare spending. If they win the war, people will forget all their sufferings in the delight of victory. However, if they lose, the people will not only recollect the futile sufferings they underwent but the leaders who brought humiliation to their nation as well. Here, democratic leaders have to ensure that war will not be a destructive force to their support base.


In the context of India, this is very much applicable. The incumbent government is going to face an election in May 2019, and their record so far is not good when it comes to delivering public goods. In any case, a war with China, whether short or long, will have a destructive effect on the economy, which has already been disturbed by reforms and policies such as demonetisation. Even if New Delhi won such a war by putting forth massive efforts, the economic and military might of Beijing and China’s strategic advantages will ensure that the battle is unproductive for India. On the other, average Indians have been living with humiliated hearts since 1962; a repetition of this defeat would be unpardonable.

Hence, for New Delhi, the best option is to prepare for war but not to start it. In fact, preparing for war increases the government’s chance to win re-election through uniting national feelings and sentiments. Considering these assumptions and factors, one can say that New Delhi will not go to war with Beijing, at least until the next election.


Will China Take the Risk?
To those who follow Chinese provocations and warnings, and their continuous references to 1962, it seems that Beijing is preparing for an imminent and unavoidable war with its neighbour. However, it is sure that Sun Tzu’s descendants will think twice before such a move. First, Beijing’s current priority is translating their economic might to global public support in favour of their impending superpower status. Though the international community has acknowledged China as an economic superpower with footprints in every corner of the globe, the world is not ready to accept China as a future leader. The main reason behind this unacceptability is Beijing’s inability to provide alternative norms and rules for the crisis-ridden neoliberal values and Western-led global governance system.


In this context, if China takes the risk of waging war against India, it will only strengthen charges of Chinese interventionism and imperial tendencies. In other words, a war against India will ultimately destroy the image China is desperately seeking — that of a benevolent superpower which emerged out of a peaceful transfer of power. Unless and until Beijing could ensure a war against its powerful neighbour has the generative capacity of remaking the world order, the best option for Xi Jinping is to follow Sun Tzu’s advice: “the skillful leader subdues the enemy without fighting.” Here, the only option left for Beijing is to convince the world that New Delhi is an existential threat. However, it is not an easy task since Doklam is situated in territory disputed between China and tiny Bhutan.


To sum up, while domestic calculations and preferences hold New Delhi back from going to war with Beijing, in China’s case it is their international image that prevents them from doing so. Since the incumbent government in New Delhi is going to face re-election in 2019, a war with an uncertain outcome is not a good option for them. Since Beijing is attempting to step into the shoes of Washington and be the new global hegemon, waging war with its neighbour is a bad look for them as well. Therefore, India and China have only one option: to prepare for an indefinite standoff to satisfy their own constituencies.
Dr Rajeesh Kumar is an Associate Fellow at the Institute for Defense Studies and Analyses, New Delhi
 
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China is not in delusional mood as India. It is certainly not thinking of being next USA in considerable future. India however, is keen to show the tricks to the new master. China has nothing to gain from this conflict but at the same time will not allow India nibbling at its feet.
The conflict is inevitable but not now not in this setting.
 
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Doklam will not result in nuclear conflict.

Hence a mini battle is still possible.

Maybe china will do a 1962 again - destroy all india troops at doklam and head home~
In 62 we dint have what you call a proper army or weapons ,now it's not the case we will teach them the lesson ,China should understand they cannot build on disputed territory ,more over we have your F-16 to you know to do what
 
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In 62 we dint have what you call a proper army or weapons ,now it's not the case we will teach them the lesson ,China should understand they cannot build on disputed territory ,more over we have your F-16 to you know to do what
your news media keep saying that is a disputed territory, but it is NOT.
let's assume it is disputed territory, it is between China and Bhutan, it has nothing to do with India, oh, don't you use that excuse saying Bhutan is requesting India to help, because it is not true.
 
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your news media keep saying that is a disputed territory, but it is NOT.
let's assume it is disputed territory, it is between China and Bhutan, it has nothing to do with India, oh, don't you use that excuse saying Bhutan is requesting India to help, because it is not true.
I agree. Since it is really between China and Bhutan, India's occupation and her imposed conditions on the Doklam region is like "I want to have my cake and eat it too" kind of foreign policy.
 
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Doklam will not result in nuclear conflict.

Hence a mini battle is still possible.

Maybe china will do a 1962 again - destroy all india troops at doklam and head home. Hi hidden Singapore guys I know Chinese person hyness fight can't in front face to face so we talk more show case toys lot of it then why still waiting for me come and fight then we told I accept other wise go sleep your home.
 
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The mounting military tensions at Doklam, the triboundary area connecting Bhutan, China, and India, have generated the impression that India and China are going to repeat their 1962 war. Official Chinese media and think tanks have warned India that conflict can lead to war if not handled properly and India should learn lessons from history. When asked about the possibility of the current dispute escalating, Luo Zhaohui, China’s ambassador to India, did not dismiss the likelihood of such a development. And an article in The Global Times, referring to India’s involvement on behalf of Bhutan, reminded New Delhi that “under India’s logic, if the Pakistani government requests, a third country’s army can enter the area disputed by India and Pakistan.”


In New Delhi the rhetoric is similarly tough. For instance, when Beijing invoked the 1962 war and its humiliation for India, Defense Minister Arun Jaitley replied that “India of 2017 is different from India of 1962.” Likewise, General Bipin Rawat, India’s chief of army staff also acknowledged the possibility of an Indo-China war and said that the”Indian Army is fully ready for a two and a half front war.” The government’s recent authorization of the army to make an emergency purchases of ammunition, stores, and spares for several weapon platforms also point toward an impending short, intense war between India and China. Taking it further, some policy observers have directly compared the current standoff with 1962 by casting new actors and settings; Narendra Modi and Bipin Rawat instead of Jawaharlal Nehru and B.M. Kaul, and Doklam in place of Dhola Post.


The fear of an India-China war does not emanate from the Doklam standoff in isolation. The possibility of war between the two nuclear-armed giants of the Asia-Pacific, with their 2.6 billion combined population, has been one of the significant concerns of the global strategic community for the last few decades. Certainly, a war, which could cause thousands of casualties and decimate a substantial part of the global economy, is a pressing matter for the strategic community.


The most significant question regarding escalation is who would fire the first bullet, India or China? Interestingly, answering this question will help us to answer the million dollar question: will there be another India-China war? In my view, either side escalating the current border skirmishes to a short or long war is unlikely for many reasons.


Will India Go to War With China?

If the question is whether India will go to war with China, my answer is a sound “no.”
The reasons go beyond strategic calculations, such as strength and numbers of forces and weapons. In other words, cognisance of pure military strength and weakness is not the primary force that stops New Delhi from firing the first bullet against its enemy. It is the structure of the government, and concerns of leaders about the domestic constituency that holds back a forward move.


Let me clarify this. War is fundamentally a political act. It is not the military, who fights the war, but rather the political leaders, who declare the war, that are accountable for its outcome. A war can bring different incentives for domestic institutions including a change of government or change of leadership.


In their Selectorate Theory of War, Bueno De Mesquita, James D. Morrow, Randolph M. Siverson, and Alastair Smith explain the general tendency of democratic leaders to fight easier wars. According to the theory, democratic leaders are more likely to opt out of difficult wars because their grip on power is more contingent on the support of the population. Compared to other types of regimes, in a democracy, the chances are high that the outcome of the war will be reflected in the re-election campaign. Therefore, once a war is underway democratic leaders need to ensure nothing less than victory. The necessity of a win to secure support from the domestic constituency compels leaders to put in additional efforts, including more military spending at the price of public welfare spending. If they win the war, people will forget all their sufferings in the delight of victory. However, if they lose, the people will not only recollect the futile sufferings they underwent but the leaders who brought humiliation to their nation as well. Here, democratic leaders have to ensure that war will not be a destructive force to their support base.


In the context of India, this is very much applicable. The incumbent government is going to face an election in May 2019, and their record so far is not good when it comes to delivering public goods. In any case, a war with China, whether short or long, will have a destructive effect on the economy, which has already been disturbed by reforms and policies such as demonetisation. Even if New Delhi won such a war by putting forth massive efforts, the economic and military might of Beijing and China’s strategic advantages will ensure that the battle is unproductive for India. On the other, average Indians have been living with humiliated hearts since 1962; a repetition of this defeat would be unpardonable.

Hence, for New Delhi, the best option is to prepare for war but not to start it. In fact, preparing for war increases the government’s chance to win re-election through uniting national feelings and sentiments. Considering these assumptions and factors, one can say that New Delhi will not go to war with Beijing, at least until the next election.


Will China Take the Risk?
To those who follow Chinese provocations and warnings, and their continuous references to 1962, it seems that Beijing is preparing for an imminent and unavoidable war with its neighbour. However, it is sure that Sun Tzu’s descendants will think twice before such a move. First, Beijing’s current priority is translating their economic might to global public support in favour of their impending superpower status. Though the international community has acknowledged China as an economic superpower with footprints in every corner of the globe, the world is not ready to accept China as a future leader. The main reason behind this unacceptability is Beijing’s inability to provide alternative norms and rules for the crisis-ridden neoliberal values and Western-led global governance system.


In this context, if China takes the risk of waging war against India, it will only strengthen charges of Chinese interventionism and imperial tendencies. In other words, a war against India will ultimately destroy the image China is desperately seeking — that of a benevolent superpower which emerged out of a peaceful transfer of power. Unless and until Beijing could ensure a war against its powerful neighbour has the generative capacity of remaking the world order, the best option for Xi Jinping is to follow Sun Tzu’s advice: “the skillful leader subdues the enemy without fighting.” Here, the only option left for Beijing is to convince the world that New Delhi is an existential threat. However, it is not an easy task since Doklam is situated in territory disputed between China and tiny Bhutan.


To sum up, while domestic calculations and preferences hold New Delhi back from going to war with Beijing, in China’s case it is their international image that prevents them from doing so. Since the incumbent government in New Delhi is going to face re-election in 2019, a war with an uncertain outcome is not a good option for them. Since Beijing is attempting to step into the shoes of Washington and be the new global hegemon, waging war with its neighbour is a bad look for them as well. Therefore, India and China have only one option: to prepare for an indefinite standoff to satisfy their own constituencies.
Dr Rajeesh Kumar is an Associate Fellow at the Institute for Defense Studies and Analyses, New Delhi

This is another BS article produced by Indian. It is India taking the risk by plotting an invasion on doklam long ago. They deployed large number of troops near that area long ago and out right invade a clearly border are belongs to China and then brag about its China invading them. Even India recognize that area is belongs to China and they intervene on behalf of Bhutan.

Modi and his ignorant , out of touch reality general are taking the risk. There is a reason why China banned YouTube. As so many keyboard warrior and kid post many feel good video bragging about the military might of India and useless delusion ranking that purposely rank India military higher.

Can't believe a world leader can get duped so easily? I guess nationalistic and ego are plays a part that clog Indian leader mind.
 
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your news media keep saying that is a disputed territory, but it is NOT.
let's assume it is disputed territory, it is between China and Bhutan, it has nothing to do with India, oh, don't you use that excuse saying Bhutan is requesting India to help, because it is not true.
It has everything to do with India ,Bhutans security is India's responsibility.
If we allow that today for our smaller neighbour they will do it with us tomorrow.

China has been doing the same thing in SCS.they say it's disputed and say we will talk and resolve and then start constructing.its time to call the bluff.
 
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It has everything to do with India ,Bhutans security is India's responsibility.
If we allow that today for our smaller neighbour they will do it with us tomorrow.

China has been doing the same thing in SCS.they say it's disputed and say we will talk and resolve and then start constructing.its time to call the bluff.
Typical Indian excuse. Nobody threathen Bhutan. It just an excuse by delusion indians. Modi is digging his own grave. And I hope Indian General leave out ego and nationalism aside and brief him the real dire situation and strength of Indian armed forces instead of telling lies and risk billions of Indian lives.
 
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Typical Indian excuse. Nobody threathen Bhutan. It just an excuse by delusion indians. Modi is digging his own grave. And I hope Indian General leave out ego and nationalism aside and brief him the real dire situation and strength of Indian armed forces instead of telling lies and risk billions of Indian lives.
Bro time will tell modi is digging his grave or CCP is.stop it bro everyone know what has China been doing ,
 
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In 62 we dint have what you call a proper army or weapons ,now it's not the case we will teach them the lesson ,China should understand they cannot build on disputed territory ,more over we have your F-16 to you know to do what

in 1962 china was under the leadership of mao, who was a dysfunctional person.

Im sure you know of GLF and Cultural revolution which destroyed china

your news media keep saying that is a disputed territory, but it is NOT.
let's assume it is disputed territory, it is between China and Bhutan, it has nothing to do with India, oh, don't you use that excuse saying Bhutan is requesting India to help, because it is not true.

Pakistan can do the same.

Sign an agreement to give indian occupied kashmir to china.
 
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I like this part “under India’s logic, if the Pakistani government requests, a third country’s army can enter the area disputed by India and Pakistan.”

Well done India, you've opened the Pandora's Box.
 
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