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Will the army really quit meddling in politics for good?

That's what bajwa did when asked to impose emergency to stop Vote of Confidence.
Turns out people still have problem.. so it's not just about the interference.. public want interference on their own time and choice.
That’s a very simplistic explanation.

Bajwa by his own admission, was interfering until pre Feb. Let’s not discuss this topic further and agree to disagree.

They have already decided in 1947, and they are following that route, because it serves their interests.
I hope for Pakistan’s sake they take a look at the situation from a strategic perspective. 1947 to 2023, we’re just going down that slippery slope. They should take a big chunk of the blame.
 
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How smart are Pakistani PMs that they compel COAS to be politically involved and do political engineering and RCOs?

Either Pakistani PMs are really smart or the Chiefs too innocent and naive, I wonder.

Pretty smart blame shifting going on in this thread.

COAS to duddu peeta bacha hai k PM jo marzi karwa le and the COAS obliges like an obedient puppy.
 
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Eventually, yes, that I can agree with, as long as it does not mean in the foreseeable future, of which there is simply no chance due to Pakistan's unique system in place as it has evolved since its creation by General Zia.
Are you hinting towards non party elections in political arena or you meant the dictatorship? Pls elaborate.
 
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Organically, it would need 5 consecutive Chiefs who politely refuse to be involved in politics where in parallel proper legislations can be put in place and politicians start getting sensible.

Inorganically, you can have a public protest/violence rejig the system and knock sense into establishment.

For establishment to decide, which route they want to take.
Or one gheirat mand nationalist Chief to come along and implement a proper structure in national institutions which prioritises meritocracy as #1, discourages nepotism. Addresses the societal-cultural causes for this failing nation to set it back on track.

A clear-cut policy needs to be written for the long-term goals of Pakistan, proper national identity building efforts, status quos to maintain etc.

As long as they are doing a competent job and effective governance this is what matters. Democracy is useless in Pakistan because majority of people are uneducated and vote based on nonsensical ties. Those at the top should act in national interests to benefit the country but they refuse to.
 
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*Lt Gen Nathu Singh Rathore*

Soon after getting freedom from British rule in 1947, the de-facto prime minister of India, Jawahar Lal Nehru called a meeting of senior Army Officers to select the first General of the Indian army.

Nehru proposed, "I think we should appoint a British officer as a General of The Indian Army, as we don't have enough experience to lead the same."
Having learned under the British, only to serve and rarely to lead, all the civilians and men in uniform present nodded their heads in agreement.

However, one senior officer, Nathu Singh Rathore, asked for permission to speak.
Nehru was a bit taken aback by the independent streak of the officer, though, he asked him to speak freely.

Rathore said, "You see, sir, we don't have leaders with enough experience to lead a nation too, so shouldn't we appoint a British person as the first Prime Minister of India?"

You could have heard a pin drop !

PS: In 1949, Gen Nathu Singh Rathore was offered the post of Commander-in-Chief of the Indian army to replace the retiring General Roy Bucher by Sardar Baldev Singh, the Defence Minister at the time. He declined, stating that General K. M. Cariappa was senior to him and more eligible for the post.
He set this precedence and from then onwards the senior most Gen was made Chief until recently.

Difference of Pakistan and Indian democracy from *1947* till date in nutshell.
1. *Pakistani PM-31*
2. *Indian PM-14*
3. *Pakistani COAS-17*
4. *Indian COAS-30*
 
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PTI was the largest party in the last elections and yes it had to cobble a coalition to come to power. It can't be called a minority government. Do your sums and stop supporting the corrupt.

The then-government policies forced out the coalition partners not the armed forces. This golden egg laying hen of blaming the army is as old as documented political history of Pakistan.
 
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Are you hinting towards non party elections in political arena or you meant the dictatorship? Pls elaborate.

I was referring to the inevitably self-defeating nature of the Pakistani system, the only issue here being that it will happen eventually, likely a long time in the future, and probably only when Pakistan has been left far, far behind by the rest of the world, so far behind that it will become irrelevant to the global community.
 
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The then-government policies forced out the coalition partners not the armed forces. This golden egg laying hen of blaming the army is as old as documented political history of Pakistan.
It is well known fact that those partners act on the advice of the army (MQM, Balochistan politicians). Ask any media person.
 
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It is well known fact that those partners act on the advice of the army (MQM, Balochistan politicians). Ask any media person.

Media person really? Why not take NABs chairman's words when he admitted that the then government was interfering in their domain to keep the coalition going?

By the way on whose advice were the electables being rounded up in that private jet for coalition formation?
 
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Will the army really quit meddling in politics for good?

Who will intervene with the intervenors? That surely is to ask for too much.

Abdul Moiz Jaferii
October 28, 2022


The best historical perspectives offered in these pages about Pakistan read simultaneously as current affairs commentary. We are a nation that cycles through the exact same mistakes, made by the exact same perpetrators, frustrating the exact same set of the public.

Of late, the army seems to be bent on persuading anyone who would care to listen that they have given up on meddling in politics. The incumbent DG ISPR has made it a point to reiterate this on many an occasion in recent weeks. The same assertion was also repeated by the now confirmed (even by our standards) to-be-outgoing chief of army staff, who again stressed that the army (let’s call it the establishment from here on) will stay out of politics.

Never again, again

For those of you who may have trouble recalling, this is the chief of a government department, who on paper reports to the secretary of defence, who in turn reports to the minister of defence, who reports to the prime minister and serves at their pleasure.

It is the PM’s office that the established interference is generally directed towards, and the piece of paper, which would confirm the hierarchy of authority listed above, is currently being used to make a paper airplane by a child somewhere in a cantonment.

Without there being consequences or public accountability for the establishment having come into politics in the past, which is almost always very recently and rather disastrously, these are little more than promises of forbearance by someone showing signs of compulsion. Just as one suffering from an addiction promises to reform when faced with the guilt of realisation, so does our establishment swear never again.

Read more: Pakistan’s hybrid regime is coming to an end. What next?

And to prove they are serious this time, Faisal Vawda addresses a press conference, which is so confusing that the people, whose boot he used to bring onto TV shows as a talisman, have to turn up to clarify further.

In answering questions regarding political interference, the DG ISPR challenges anyone to nominate any instance of his institution meddling in the electoral process.

The challenge came with one caveat — that you had to pick an event after the March 2021 Senate elections. In case you are confused, these aren’t the Senate polls when Hasil Bizenjo accused the then DG ISI of direct meddling. They’re the ones where Musadik Malik and Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar found spy cameras in the Senate voting booths.

The relapse

Yet whenever the sun begins to set, at times even on that same day whose morning induced the promise, the want kicks in and washes away the regret.

Imran Khan stands disqualified by an election commission that couldn’t see anything wrong with the 2018 general elections. The same institution that discovered impropriety only after a public by-election fiasco in Daska, when it is widely rumoured that the then prime minister Imran had to use cruder methods of fixing than the assistance of the usual suspects.

He is disqualified due to the gifts taken and left undeclared.

This in a country where former army chiefs live abroad with unaccountable wealth. Where Lt Gen (R) Asim Saleem Bajwa explains an empire through screenshots of a Word document and the then prime minister Imran says he is satisfied.

When Lt Gen (R) Bajwa shows willingness to be held to account, it’s as a guest on the phone in Shahzeb Khanzada’s show and only up to the point of basic questions.

His declaration of assets only ever came when he was chosen as a special assistant to the prime minister. Assets that include a Land Cruiser he claims to have bought for Rs 3 million. This is back when Imran was happy with the establishment, to the point where he felt that not only should the premier be monitored by the agencies, but that if you are unwilling to subject yourself to such monitoring, it is because you must have something to hide.

Powering through

Earlier, Imran supported and later championed calls for Nawaz to be taken out of the political race for similar allegations of unethical conduct — for not declaring an unreceived salary, which could perhaps have led to the discovery of several companies in the Gulf that belonged to his family and for the wealth of which his family cannot account.

When Imran was leading these protests to help the establishment expose the Sharifs’ moral compass as a legal shortcoming, the then PM Sharif confronted the ISI chief in front of the army chief with impregnable evidence of the former’s political interference in support of the dharna camped out in front of Parliament House.

All it resulted in was the then COAS Raheel Sharif chiding the chief of ISI and making him promise to stop. The latter continued to serve, retired with full benefits and was recently in the news again because he addressed a public gathering where he explained why he helped make a third force in politics.

Earlier, when the US found Osama bin Laden nested in Abbotabad a mile away from the Kakul military academy, the then ISI chief Shuja Pasha addressed a joint session of Parliament to explain the intelligence failure and security lapse.

He told the lawmakers he was even ready to resign. The COAS said he was willing to be held accountable ‘even to Parliament’. Both eventually retired, with nary a resignation between them. Pasha is credited by Pervez Elahi with helping Imran Khan put together electable candidates for the 2013 elections. Elahi claims Pasha was stealing his candidates and when confronted, he forgot his position over the course of the conversation and tried to poach the Elahis themselves for Khan’s camp.

The real question

In real life, people do not usually quit problematic, repeated behaviour out of guilt. It is not the sudden realisation that they are lacking in the care of a young child or are bullying a family member that suddenly wills them to break their stupor. That is the stuff of Bollywood movies.

In reality, they mostly quit when they can no longer afford to purchase the substance of choice and when alternatives are impossible to source. They quit when their family members find courage to challenge them even in the house they have so often spoilt the atmosphere of. They quit when their family finds means to isolate them when they are disruptive. Or they quit when their children grow up and can no longer be pushed around.

Alternatively, they sometimes correct the error of their ways when their family stages an intervention. When all the irrationally shouted at children and the cruelly neglected partners band together and stand firm on enough being enough. But then that brings us to our tragic dilemma.

Who will intervene with the intervenors?

That surely is to ask for too much.

So then the only question left is: when will the children grow up?

The author is a lawyer and political analyst.



Here are some straight facts,
a. Army acknowledged their role in politics.
b, Army should be held accountable first
c, People who committed the above crime should be punished first.
d. Assurance should be made that crime will not happen again.
e. Institutional reforms must be made to ensure this doesn't happen again.

Since the above is not going to happen,
rest assured, Army will continue doing things they shouldn't
and they will not do what they are paid to do.
 
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