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Will new Chinese artillery rival US weapons?
China may be arming its forces along the Indian border with its new lightweight, digitized, vehicle-mounted 155mm Howitzer weapon.
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The People’s Liberation Army may be arming its forces along the Indian border with its new lightweight, digitized, vehicle-mounted 155mm Howitzer weapon engineered to bring new dimensions of mobile artillery attack to modern ground war.

The People’s Liberation Army PCL-181, first revealed publicly during China’s National Day military parade in 2019, is engineered for greater speed, endurance and combat mobility than previous self-propelled howitzer weapons, according to a June report in China’s Global Times; the PCL-181 weighs only 20-tons, whereas China’s legacy howitzer weighs nearly twice as much, making transportation and maneuverability much more challenging. The Global Times quotes a military expert describing the new weapon’s advantages by stating “its light weight also gives the weapon an edge in high altitude areas when the lack of oxygen could impact the power of the engine, and it is also very agile and fast in quick-reaction deployments.”

Additional details about the platform, according to the report, say the PCL-181 relies upon an advanced, digitized control panel, which helps enable automatic gun calibration and semi-automatic ammunition reload. The new weapon seems specifically suited for Chinese expeditionary operations, given the country’s well-known mountainous terrain.

“Artillery weapons like howitzers are useful in mountainous areas because projectiles fired from them follow a parabolic path, which can bypass mountains on terrains which would block linear shots from, for instance, traditional tanks,” a Chinese weapons expert said in the Global Times report.

The existence and possible deployment of this newly-commissioned howitzer raises a number of interesting tactical questions. It clearly suggests that China is looking much more significantly at expeditionary operations, agility and rapid deployability, a set of priorities that also figure prominently in U.S. weapons development calculations. This kind of strategic emphasis is by now quite familiar to China’s modernization specialists, who have also engineered the country’s lightweight tank, the Type 15 VT5.

These war dynamics are also quite familiar to China’s U.S. rivals, who have much experience developing mobile artillery systems. For instance, the PCL-181 appears to attach an artillery cannon to a medium-sized tactical truck, a circumstance that invites certain questions. Would a 20-ton Howitzer, mounted on a lightweight tactical truck, offer the requisite survivability needed to support a mechanized armored column? While mobility and rapid deployability would of course be crucial in a fast-moving modern war environment, it would seem that artillery supporting advancing armored forces might need to operate with heavier protective armor to be less penetrable to enemy fire. While 155mm cannons are able to fire at less vulnerable stand-off ranges, modern long-range sensors and weapons might make a 20-ton platform much easier for adversaries to destroy or disrupt. These factors may provide some of the strategic basis for the U.S. efforts to engineer a 40-ton M109 Paladin Self-Propelled Howitzer, a system that also integrates semi-auto-loading technology, digital targeting and advanced, more versatile kinds of ammunition. (Army 2011 report on Paladin modernization) The U.S. Extended Range Cannon Artillery weapon, designed to fire as far as 70km (43.5 miles), also figures prominently in this strategic equation.

Also, a lightweight tactical truck would also encounter certain restrictions in mountainous terrain, as it would not be able to ascend through steep, rocky inclines. Therefore, it would make sense to examine these tactical nuances in light of U.S. maneuvers in Afghanistan. Specifically, the U.S. M777 is engineered to be transportable in mountainous terrain, given that it can sling-load beneath a CH-47 Chinook cargo helicopter. This enables ground forces to air-drop its artillery cannon into higher altitudes where mountainous terrain would prove unpassable for tactical trucks. This kind of transportability, not possible for a 20-ton tactical truck, would give U.S. ground forces an advantage in any kind of mountainous large-scale force-on-force war.

Secondly, with the U.S. Army modernization strategy for its M109 Paladin Self-Propelled Howitzer does emphasize expeditionary warfare, it is engineered as a heavier, armored platform to support armored brigades on the move in need of protection against heavy incoming fire. Also, the heavier Paladin could offer supportive and suppressive fire to advancing infantry at safer ranges. All of these factors align with the broader strategic recognition that a towed M777 Howitzer might be well-suited for keeping up with advancing infantry, meet mobility requirements and deploy easily to otherwise difficult to reach combat areas. Each U.S. system, therefore, seems to occupy a specific piece designed to complete a broader Combined Arms Maneuver puzzle. Given these factors, it might appear that the U.S. 155mm artillery posture might have certain advantages over its rival Chinese PCL-181.

That is not to say truck-mounted fire is not of great significance, the autoloading, rapid-fire technology, digital targeting and improved mobility associated with the PCL—181 does present significant new threats. The U.S. operates several truck-mounted ground-attack weapons systems, such as its mobile HIMARS rockets. The Army has also placed Phalanx area weapons, additional armor and extra .50-cal machine guns on its Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Trucks. At the same time, mobile artillery such as the U.S. M777 is perhaps much better suited to support advancing Infantry Brigade Combat Teams in many warfare scenarios, as it could much more easily maneuver in off-road uneven terrain where trucks cannot drive.

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/will-new-chinese-artillery-rival-us-weapons
 
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Why this question even need to be asked?

Chinese tube artillery amd MRLS systems got longer reach and bigger bangs than those of Muricans.

And of even greater importance, China got a lot lot more of those than Muricans


USA is a distant third to Russia and China. Be that in tube artillery or rocket artillery.

**Chinese tube artillery**

Top 10 Self-Propelled Howitzers

Saudi Arabia uses Chinese NORINCO PLZ-45 self propelled howitzer for the clear advantage over that of the best of USA artillery. More accurate and longer reach than the best of USA artillery. And Saudi Arabia is USA captive country and yet refused to use USA artillery as that so inferior to China.

PLZ-52 is capable of firing a full range of Chinese 155 mm munitions. Range of a standard High-Explosive Fragmentation (HE-FRAG) projectile is around 30 km and around 40 km of extended-range projectile. Maximum range of fire is 53 km with rocket-assisted projectile. It has been reported that China developed a GPS-guided 155 mm projectile. It was claimed that this projectile has a whooping maximum range of 100 km and accuracy of 40 m.

Saudis Use Chinese-made Cannons in Yemen (Saudis Use Chinese-made Cannons in Yemen
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Rate of fire

Maximum:8–10 rounds/min
Sustained: 2 rounds/min

Look at the M109 below

Rate of fire

Maximum: 4 rpm/3 min.
Sustained: 1 rpm

Effective firing range

Conventional: 18 km (11 mi)
RAP
: 30 km (19 mi)

M109 totally outmatched by the PLZ-45.

It is not a wonder why even Saudi Arabia bought PLZ-45 despite they being a captive client country of USA and yet refused and rejected USA arty despite the obvious massive arm twisting of USA on Saudi Arabia.

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**Rocket Artillery **

Now China is as good if not better than Russians in rocket artillery.

Top 10 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (Top 10 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems
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The PHL 03 is a Chinese artillery rocket system. It is a copy of the Soviet

Smerch (Smerch Multiple Launch Rocket System
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. It reportedly entered service with the Chinese army in 2004-2005. The PHL 03 is also being proposed for the export customers as the AR2. It has been exported to Morocco (one battalion with 36 units).

The PHL 03 has 12 tubes for 300 mm rockets. A standard rocket weights around 800 kg and has a 280 kg warhead. Maximum range of fire is 70-130 km depending on the warhead type. Though some sources report that rockets of this system has a maximum range of 150 km. Rockets are available with High Explosive Fragmentation (HE-FRAG), fuel-air explosive, and cluster warheads with anti-armor and anti-personnel submunitions. Cluster warheads may also carry self-targeting anti-tank munitions. A full salvo of this system could potentially cover an area of up to 67 hectares.

**Even though the PHL 03 is a Chinese version of the Smerch, it appears that Chinese overtook Russians in terms of rockets, as rockets of the PHL 03 have longer range than those of the Smerch. Manufacturers claim, that Chinese 300 mm rockets are not compatible with the Russian Smerch rockets as these use different propellant motors and components.**

China's PHL03, advanced Multiple Launch Rocket System (China's PHL03, advanced Multiple Launch Rocket System
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Various types of the 300 mm caliber rocket shells fired by the PHL03 are equipped with simple automatic correction system which allows more dense impact points. The impact point intensity doubles and the accuracy triples. In this way, a high kill probability with fewer rocket shells is possible.

Comparison with its peers

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From the table above, it can be concluded that in terms of overall design, or in particular, the range, intensity, power, survivability and maneuverability, the PHL03 MLRS has a series of major breakthroughs compared with traditional rockets. Some of its aspects meet or even exceed the world's advanced level.

The service of the PHL03 Multiple Launch Rocket System has greatly enhanced the capability of remote fire support of the Chinese military. The operational performance of the system will continue to improve with the development of China's rocket shell technology. And it will become an indispensable remote firepower for the Chinese military.

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And read this too

China’s new PCL191 multiple launch rocket system casts shadow over Taiwan Strait


  • The ‘mystery’ hardware that appeared without a name at the National Day parade in October is the PLA’s most powerful MLRS ever, experts say
  • System capable of firing eight 370mm rockets 350km or two 750mm ballistic missiles 500km


China’s new PCL191 multiple launch rocket system is capable of firing ballistic missiles up to 500km. Photo: Handout

China’s new PCL191 multiple launch rocket system is capable of firing ballistic missiles up to 500km. Photo: Handout

The multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) that made its public debut at China’s
National Day parade
on October 1 has been identified as a state-of-the-art piece of weaponry capable of firing both rockets and ballistic missiles, according to a leading military magazine.
A report in the latest issue of Modern Ships also gave the new hardware a name – the Type PCL191 – saying it was a modular launcher based on the AR3 system developed by China for the export market.
Unlike other weapon systems on display in Beijing, which had their names emblazoned along their sides, the Type PCL191 rumbled through the streets of Beijing on the back of heavy-duty trucks with almost complete anonymity.


https://www.scmp.com/news/china/mil...91-multiple-launch-rocket-system-casts-shadow





Note the DF100s antiship missiles . Revealed only in Oct 2019. Mach 5 and range of 1000 km.








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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-df-100-missile-good-enough-kill-americas-navy-96476
 
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The US Army is currently modernizing it’s entire artillery and long range precision fires portfolio.

Extended range cannon artillery- will fire out to 70km and 100km with ramjet propulsion. First battery will be delivered in 2023.

Extended range guided rocket artillery- will extend range from 75km currently to 150km. First test fire is next month with production in 2022.

Precision Strike Missile- IOC in 2023 with a range of 550km against fixed targets. In 2025, a new sensor will be added to target ships. Then range will be extended to 700-800kms. Over 1,000 will be procured in next 5 years.

New MiD Range Missile- the Army just recently disclosed this effort. It will have a range in excess of 1,000 miles. Whether it will be a cruise or ballistic missile is still classified. Sounds like they want to keep this program under wraps for now. IOC in 2023.

Long Range Hypersonic Weapon- 4,000-6,000km HGV that reaches at least Mach 17 and likely into Mach 20s. The Sec of the Army reported yesterday this HGV has an accuracy variance of 6 inches. First battery expected in 2023.
 
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Artillery is the last thing that matter to a war with the US, unless, of cause, you count missiles as artillery
 
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China do not favour tradition artillery that lack mobility. That is why the Chinese AH-4 remains an export product and never adopted.
With modern arty counter radar. Enemy arty firing position can be easily spotted. M777 maybe light and easily deploy on mountain area buts it's seating duck if u met modern opponent who pack plenty of advance counter radar. Once they locate your spot and fire precision MRL and u are dead meat.

That is a why China will phased out all tradition arty in next 5-10years and stick with wheel or track SPH.
 
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Weapons with advantages of Automation, Intelligentize, Largeness will get win.
 
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M777 maybe light and easily deploy on mountain area buts it's seating duck if u met modern opponent who pack plenty of advance counter radar. Once they locate your spot and fire precision MRL and u are dead meat.

That is a why China will phased out all tradition arty in next 5-10years and stick with wheel or track SPH.

Of course not .... light artillery deployed on a reverse slope can't be destroyed by return fire. Which is why its mobility is invaluable for mountain warfare.
You need air support to dislodge them from mountain peaks.
 
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The world is a cruel place. Only the fittest will survive.
And China is among the fittest that is why nobody dares wage a real war against China. India just stick with sticks and stones dealing with China. Can you imagine what would happen to poor Indians if both sides start to use real weapons? And ofcourse the banning of Chinese apps as if that is going to devastate Chinese economy. Vietnam still as backward as during the Vietnam War era confronting Chinese ingenuity of the 21st century? What can the little brat do against Chinese high tech war fighting capability? Last but not least, America sticking to banning Chinese companies and threatening countries trying to do business with us. Economic war not working, Trade war not working, it is even losing to the pandemic war on its own soil with over 8 millions infected and over 200K deaths while India is close to surpassing or already have. Last thing on Americans' mind is fighting China in a real combat. What Americans can only do is sending spy planes to South China Sea and near China's coast when spy sat can do the same job, what is the point anyway?
 
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Of course not .... light artillery deployed on a reverse slope can't be destroyed by return fire. Which is why its mobility is invaluable for mountain warfare.
You need air support to dislodge them from mountain peaks.
Invaluable? When u are stuck at difficult terrain with virtually no mobility. You are sitting duck waiting to be bomb.


There are basically short range ballistic missile trajectory going by ballistic looping. Just like dive bomber hitting u on your very top. Your reverse slope firing position once detected by Chinese counter arty radar, are sitting duck for our missile only.

Your American doctrine are extremely outdated compare to Chinese.
 
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Invaluable? When u are stuck at difficult terrain with virtually no mobility. You are sitting duck waiting to be bomb.


There are basically short range ballistic missile trajectory going by ballistic looping. Just like dive bomber hitting u on your very top. Your reverse slope firing position once detected by Chinese counter arty radar, are sitting duck for our missile only.

Your American doctrine are extremely outdated compare to Chinese.

I guess you don't understand what a reverse slope is .... never mind please carry on.

Also an M777 can be slung under a Chinook in 90 - 180 seconds depending on crew training and conditions (wind, weather, light, altitude). The M777 is designed for mobility and mountain warfare moving it from one peak to another isn't a problem.

Yes American doctrine is outdated, I really hope you work for the PLA as their Chief Grand Maesters of Doctrine :lol:
 
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Congress has blessed an Army proposal to accelerate the next round of competition on the Precision Strike Missile, allowing the service to more than double spending immediately on multimode seeker technology for the new ground-launched, long-range munition. The move is mean to help the service speed fielding of the new capability from fiscal year 2027 to 2025. In late August, the Pentagon comptroller asked Congress for permission to shift $9.9 million into the Army's Long Range Precision Fires Advanced Technology...

https://insidedefense.com/daily-new...y-plan-accelerate-prsm-seeker-upgrade-project

This multimode seeker gives the Precison Strike Missile the capability to target ships.

 
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