Will India Be 'Hamara Mulk' After the 23rd?: Muslims of India

[M.Bison]

Go read Sacchar report.


Yes my panjabi frand.

Imran Khan is the Mahdi you were waiting for. He will launch Ghawza e Hind.

lol you sound concerned.

 

[jamahir]

Or perhaps it was too distant and did not happen to one of their own?

Maybe this is going to change soon.

No one can question my love for this land

Though I say that I am a citizen of the world I also feel more comfortable being a citizen of India. My desire as a socialist is to see a advanced, harmonious and developed India.

what exactly is their contribution? Absolutely nothing.

How do you quantify the contributions ?? Muslims in India are as "invisible" as the Hindus. The other religious sects you mention are prominent by their otherness.

They just live off reservations and government freebies.

And what are those ?? I never used any.

 

[kris]

Surprisingly only Muslims are the minorities to be affected according to PDF
Rest are not being targeted.....

 

[B.K.N]

What does the turn of events post May 23 mean for me? My vulnerability is at its peak as I wait for an election result that holds no surprise. Everyone around me celebrating the “coming back” of “their government” is making me anxious and a difficult silence has set in. This silence is of no ordinary heartbreak – it is a quagmire of emotions and deep-rooted fear. It is an unsettling sense as though a huge wave is washing away the sand beneath your feet.

Each of these people that I know and have spent hours with is in a celebratory mood in anticipation of the election results. I feel alienated in this gathering. Have they no sense of empathy for those who have been lynched in the past few years? Has no video clip, where innocent people begged for their lives, caught their attention?

Haven’t they heard names like Mohammad Akhlaq or Rakbar Khan? No one in their presence was ever dragged out of his house and asked to go to Pakistan? Or perhaps it was too distant and did not happen to one of their own? But I fear because I could have been the one at the centre, being hounded by a murderous crowd. As the sand underneath my feet erodes, I am finding it difficult to put my faith in people around.

Losing faith is worse than losing identity. Faith gets you going when your identity is at stake. You have relied on it every single time you are posed with questions like, ‘are you an Indian Muslim? Are you Muslim first or Indian? You are different from Muslims? You don’t look Muslim? Do you support the Indian cricket team? Do you have relatives in Pakistan? Are you close to them? Do you repent not being in Pakistan?’.

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My faith has given me unwavering support at all moments when my identity has been under attack. My religious distinctiveness came to be too big and always overshadowed any other aspect of myself. But you live with it. You are conditioned to deal with the subtle Islamophobia that comes with everyday life – and its blatant version – when one is standing at par with those who are naturally destined to drive societies. It is your faith that makes you believe that India is a homeland, and no individual will decide whether I should live here or not. No one can question my love for this land and the relationships that have been fostered over generations.

Today this faith seems shaken; this everyday struggle seems futile. My mind is gripped with fear. I worry about my three-year-old who is ready for school. Will there be a school that will offer him a safe premise – the safety of his physical self and of his mind? A place that will safeguard him from the wrath that his religious identity can be subjected to. Will they protect him from other children who will carry communal vitriol from adults? My child has won many battles at his tender age, importantly the battle of life, but I may be unsuited today to prepare him for the encounters that life will now unleash.

I feel too weak today to offer an explanation in history about my grandfather’s actions and his choice of India over Pakistan. I am unable to tell you how he spent six months in Karachi and yet decided to come back. I can’t possibly put to words how proud he was of his choice! I feel tired today to emphasise my Indianness; have no energy for making exaggerated attempts to distance myself from the existence of Pakistan and of certifying my affinity towards India. Why am I not as Indian as anyone else is?


Well-wishers are telling us about the option of relocating to another country. Why should that be a solution? Who am I being asked to run away from? Do we not know the perils of uprooting societies and individuals? Generations haven’t healed since Partition; its wounds fester with countless riots that my family must have witnessed. Are we at a stage of witnessing another mass exodus? And to where?


https://thewire.in/rights/india-muslims-fear-communalism

I will give my thoughts.

Muslims of India created Pakistan by throwing their support behind Muslim League in 1946 General Elections. When the time came for them to leave for an Islamic country they chose their personal properties in India over an Islamic country. What I am amazed is why do they think they have enriched India by staying back? I mean compared to other minorities like Jains(who dominate business sector), Christians(who run hospitals and schools), Sikhs ( who dominate the military and agriculture), what exactly is their contribution? Absolutely nothing. They just live off reservations and government freebies. Besides 3 khans of Bollywood. What have done for India's progress.

Are they delusional or lying or just unaware of the facts, at this point I really don't know.

What I know is Pakistan does not want them.

What do they really want is beyond me. They have one foot in Pakistan and the other in India.

@jamahir @AfrazulMandal You are representatives of Muslims living in India on this forum. Share your insights.


@waz @Oscar @Gadkari @Imran Khan @AgNoStiC MuSliM @American Pakistani

Why you not make a separate country for muslims of India within India divide India on the the basis of religion Indian muslims of India have nothing to do with Pakistan why would the come to Pakistan
or why would Pakistan allow them to settle here in Pakistan

 

[IFB]

I fail to see the point that muslims are fighting for their survival line in india...smart muslims who work hard are millionaires...most of the businesses near my village are owned by muslims only and they employ only muslim people in their ventures...heck from my barber to my doctor are muslims... the only muslims who are struggling are those who have too many mouths to feed...i mean all the poor muslims i know have 3- 4 childrens...many multiple daughters...in india its very expensive to marry off your daughter...even a middle class will struggle with 4 children...but i see these poor people earning like 500 rupee/day...have more children than the middle class people...utter stupidity.

 

[M.Bison]

Surprisingly only Muslims are the minorities to be affected according to PDF
Rest are not being targeted.....

Well at least someone is talking about the muslims.. For you as a Dalit hindu it doesn't matter who the minority is. Your whole religion is based on race and class. Just because PDF isn't talking about other minorities doesn't make it ok for your people to try and subjugate them. Your not being smart by pointing that out. This is a Pakistani forum with mostly muslim members who else will they talk about? We aren't secular hindu extremists like you.

 

[Placemat]

Partition of India was not just and Muslims should've got more land. Which is why many million muslims choose to live in India to fulfill this pending cause. For now they just have to increase their population to a point where it will again have a ratio of pre 1947 i.e. about 33% or more, after which they can fix the screws of hindutva terrorists.

20% of mislims got 30% land in 1947.

 

[Nilu Pule]

How do you quantify the contributions ?? Muslims in India are as "invisible" as the Hindus. The other religious sects you mention are prominent by their otherness.

So Jains don't dominate business. Christians don't run hospitals and schools. Sikhs don't contribute heavily in agriculture. I just made it all up.

I am sorry. I forgot to mention contributions of Muslims.

Puncturewallahs, Rickshawallahs, and the chicken shop kasai.

Also about 50% criminals locked up in the jail happen to be Muslim. So there you go.

 

[M.Bison]

I fail to see the point that muslims are fighting for their survival line in india...smart muslims who work hard are millionaires...most of the businesses near my village are owned by muslims only and they employ only muslim people in their ventures...heck from my barber to my doctor are muslims... the only muslims who are struggling are those who have too many mouths to feed...i mean all the poor muslims i know have 3- 4 childrens...many multiple daughters...in india its very expensive to marry off your daughter...even a middle class will struggle with 4 children...but i see these poor people earning like 500 rupee/day...have more children than the middle class people...utter stupidity.

Yeah, India is definitely dangerous for daughters... Anyways just because you see a few muslims making money doesn't mean all the Indian muslims are making good money. It doesn't really have to do with muslim children believe me muslim children aren't the problem. India is too large of a country to manage. There is a few hindus on top that use the population to make money. India definitely needs to be partitioned into maybe 4-7 more countries. Then all the people will have an equal share of the pie.

 

[M.Bison]

20% of mislims got 30% land in 1947.

How was the land partitioned? do you know?

 

[Placemat]

How was the land partitioned? do you know?



Wtf are you on? you smoking cow dung dude. What makes muslims extremists? You sound like you are from an inferior caste? probably a Dalit hindu.

You kniw how it was partitioned.
Muslims are instructed to dominate non muslims and cause trouble where they are nit dominating

 

[Nilu Pule]

Muslims choose to leave separately in 47.It was their own wish.Whoever stayed in India is due to their own wish..
Hindus are not so rigid with their religion..They identify themselves through a non religious identiy.Hindus identify as Odiya/Bengali etc...If you ask any Indian Muslims they identify as Muslims and then may be Odiya/Bengali..

So this is a fundamental issue..We may not like it..but people can not live in a harmony multi cultural country where religion supersedes local culture and nationalities..

The Mohatarma who wrote this article. Forgot to mention that her Grandfather did not come back to India because he hated Pakistan. He came back to reclaim his properties.

Moving to a foreign land with nothing in hand isn't easy. His greed overcame his religious beliefs. If he loved India he wouldn't have moved out in the first place. And not voted for a bloody partition.

Even hardcore sanghis fail to understand their psyche.

 

[M.Bison]

Sure... once yiu convert back.


You kniw how it was partitioned.
Muslims are instructed to dominate non muslims and cause trouble where they are nit dominating

Where does it say that? If muslims wanted to dominate your people you wouldn't exist. It is as simple as that.

 

[B.K.N]

20% of mislims got 30% land in 1947.

Most of Pakistan is desert about 26 percent of Pakistan's land is arable and was thinly populated since always compared to India
You should read about geography of Pakistan

 

[Nilu Pule]

Most of Pakistan is desert about 26 percent of Pakistan's land is arable and was thinly populated since always compared to India
You should read about geography

Most of India isn't fertile land with abundant water supply.

That's not even the point. They should thought about it before asking for a separate country. And gone there after creating it.