Will India Be 'Hamara Mulk' After the 23rd?: Muslims of India

[namefield_empty]

land was strategically distributed by a layman to sub continent.

I hear you.

thats encouraging

All in the name of the leader.

Bullshit.......
Majority not the military forces who worked under British Raj are from current day Punjab and pakistan...
You inherited decent weaponry too...

To start with India was in shambles too

Your political forefathers are definitely not fools to just accept whatever was given isn't it.?? At least give a link quoting their resentment....

Don't quote me if you can't back your claims

Chill doctor sa'ab, @Retired Troll is a likeable person.

 

[kris]

Y were the one who brought that up about Shariah, not me, and so I responded.

You partitioned the lands that had Muslim majority example Punjab, Bengal (Punjab had 53% Muslims vs 29% hindus). But you gobbled up entire lands like Gujarat, Uttar Pradesh, Kerala, etc. So no we did not got a fair share.

I haven't bought the word sharia... Pls go back
You might hot confused

Partition wasn't done by me, nor at least Indian politicians. And importantly your the then leaders accepted it. No point whining now for nothing

 

[El Sidd]

Bullshit.......
Majority not the military forces who worked under British Raj are from current day Punjab and pakistan...
You inherited decent weaponry too...

To start with India was in shambles too

Your political forefathers are definitely not fools to just accept whatever was given isn't it.?? At least give a link quoting their resentment....

Don't quote me if you can't back your claims

we can agree to disagree

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Baloch are fairer than our Bhaiyya Muslims. How can you disown fair skinned Balochs, you raw agent.

Maybe fairer but children of of a lesser god. Unpatriotic, uneducated, do not contribute but cause trouble. You send all your Muslims and we will end up with at least three New Karachi's at Gwadar, Pasni, Ormara and two Hyderabads at Panjgur/Bela. Can you imagine the economic stimulus we would get? We would be ready to do a Ghazwa Hind on you then.

 

[kris]

I hear you.

All in the name of the leader.


Chill doctor sa'ab, @Retired Troll is a likeable person.

But quoting wrong facts or under wrong impression....
Is it wrong to give facts?? I don't use harsh words

 

[Meliodas]

What does the turn of events post May 23 mean for me? My vulnerability is at its peak as I wait for an election result that holds no surprise. Everyone around me celebrating the “coming back” of “their government” is making me anxious and a difficult silence has set in. This silence is of no ordinary heartbreak – it is a quagmire of emotions and deep-rooted fear. It is an unsettling sense as though a huge wave is washing away the sand beneath your feet.

Each of these people that I know and have spent hours with is in a celebratory mood in anticipation of the election results. I feel alienated in this gathering. Have they no sense of empathy for those who have been lynched in the past few years? Has no video clip, where innocent people begged for their lives, caught their attention?

Haven’t they heard names like Mohammad Akhlaq or Rakbar Khan? No one in their presence was ever dragged out of his house and asked to go to Pakistan? Or perhaps it was too distant and did not happen to one of their own? But I fear because I could have been the one at the centre, being hounded by a murderous crowd. As the sand underneath my feet erodes, I am finding it difficult to put my faith in people around.

Losing faith is worse than losing identity. Faith gets you going when your identity is at stake. You have relied on it every single time you are posed with questions like, ‘are you an Indian Muslim? Are you Muslim first or Indian? You are different from Muslims? You don’t look Muslim? Do you support the Indian cricket team? Do you have relatives in Pakistan? Are you close to them? Do you repent not being in Pakistan?’.

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My faith has given me unwavering support at all moments when my identity has been under attack. My religious distinctiveness came to be too big and always overshadowed any other aspect of myself. But you live with it. You are conditioned to deal with the subtle Islamophobia that comes with everyday life – and its blatant version – when one is standing at par with those who are naturally destined to drive societies. It is your faith that makes you believe that India is a homeland, and no individual will decide whether I should live here or not. No one can question my love for this land and the relationships that have been fostered over generations.

Today this faith seems shaken; this everyday struggle seems futile. My mind is gripped with fear. I worry about my three-year-old who is ready for school. Will there be a school that will offer him a safe premise – the safety of his physical self and of his mind? A place that will safeguard him from the wrath that his religious identity can be subjected to. Will they protect him from other children who will carry communal vitriol from adults? My child has won many battles at his tender age, importantly the battle of life, but I may be unsuited today to prepare him for the encounters that life will now unleash.

I feel too weak today to offer an explanation in history about my grandfather’s actions and his choice of India over Pakistan. I am unable to tell you how he spent six months in Karachi and yet decided to come back. I can’t possibly put to words how proud he was of his choice! I feel tired today to emphasise my Indianness; have no energy for making exaggerated attempts to distance myself from the existence of Pakistan and of certifying my affinity towards India. Why am I not as Indian as anyone else is?


Well-wishers are telling us about the option of relocating to another country. Why should that be a solution? Who am I being asked to run away from? Do we not know the perils of uprooting societies and individuals? Generations haven’t healed since Partition; its wounds fester with countless riots that my family must have witnessed. Are we at a stage of witnessing another mass exodus? And to where?


https://thewire.in/rights/india-muslims-fear-communalism

I will give my thoughts.
The Mohatarma who wrote this article. Forgot to mention that her Grandfather did not come back to India because he hated Pakistan. He came back to reclaim his properties.

Moving to a foreign land with nothing in hand isn't easy. His greed overcame his religious beliefs. If he loved India he wouldn't have moved out . And not voted for a bloody partition in the first place.

Even hardcore sanghis fail to understand their psyche.


Muslims of India created Pakistan by throwing their support behind Muslim League in 1946 General Elections. When the time came for them to leave for an Islamic country they chose their personal properties in India over an Islamic country. What I am amazed is why do they think they have enriched India by staying back? I mean compared to other minorities like Jains(who dominate business sector), Christians(who run hospitals and schools), Sikhs ( who dominate the military and agriculture), what exactly is their contribution? Absolutely nothing. They just live off reservations and government freebies. Besides 3 khans of Bollywood. What have done for India's progress.

Are they delusional or lying or just unaware of the facts, at this point I really don't know.

What I know is Pakistan does not want them.

What do they really want is beyond me. They have one foot in Pakistan and the other in India.

@jamahir @AfrazulMandal You are representatives of Muslims living in India on this forum. Share your insights.


@waz @Oscar @Gadkari @Imran Khan @AgNoStiC MuSliM @American Pakistani

What Muslims of India did for the creation of Pakistan cannot be duplicated by generation of today. It's very easy to compare and point on the decisions based on monetary /property benefits as we have no idea of what those people went through.

 

[El Sidd]

All in the name of the leader.

more than a billion people and one throne to rule them all.

it will be an epic ride to the top

Protection money? It is the practise of underworld gangsters??

kinda. the State is the ultimate gangsta

 

[American Pakistani]

I haven't bought the word sharia... Pls go back
You might hot confused

You supported that post when you called me liar, without reading the context. However, we can let that go, if there was misunderstanding and if you didn't supported his post.

Partition wasn't done by me, nor at least Indian politicians. And importantly your the then leaders accepted it. No point whining now for nothing

Well, Kashmir is still pending, but that is another long topic,

Besides, the thread starter is Indian, not me, so it's not me who is whining.

 

[El Sidd]

No point whining now for nothing

Kashmir

 

[war&peace]

Maybe fairer but children of of a lesser god

Sir there is no concept or lesser or higher gods in Islam. There is only one God who created us all.

 

[kris]

you are somehow suggesting Pakistan had advantage in her infancy

To some extent yes..
I will put my reasons

1. Jinnah was more closer to West.
2. Jinnah appeared more negotiable person than nehru ( nehru is a total jack@ss )
3. Current day pakistan has given many fighters which helped Britain to win the world war.
4. Current day Punjab was gifted with one of the worlds best fertile lands of that time, just have you ever thought why people of those areas were taller than a typical Indian then.
Yes you had gross deficiencies too...
Hardly any infrastructure etc. ( India was slightly better )
But again it's all gross mismanagement of your relationship with west.. nothing to do with India or partition

Kashmir

You may continue now..

You supported that post when you called me liar, without reading the context. However, we can let that go, if there was misunderstanding and if you didn't supported his post.



Well, Kashmir is still pending, but that is another long topic,

Besides, the thread starter is Indian, not me, so it's not me who is whining.

I called you a liar because you said Muslims were not given fair share of land during partition

 

[namefield_empty]

more than a billion people and one throne to rule them all.

it will be an epic ride to the top

What are the odds

Hey, democracy is supposed to work, right..

 

[American Pakistani]

I called you a liar because you said Muslims were not given fair share of land during partition

So you should've quoted that part.

Anyways I already explained you how it was an unfair partition for Pakistan.

 

[El Sidd]

To some extent yes..
I will put my reasons

1. Jinnah was more closer to West.
2. Jinnah appeared more negotiable person than nehru ( nehru is a total jack@ss )
3. Current day pakistan has given many fighters which helped Britain to win the world war.
4. Current day Punjab was gifted with one of the worlds best fertile lands of that time, just have you ever thought why people of those areas were taller than a typical Indian then.
Yes you had gross deficiencies too...
Hardly any infrastructure etc. ( India was slightly better )
But again it's all gross mismanagement of your relationship with west.. nothing to do with India or partition

Jinnah died September 11, 1948 when the Nation was at war for Kaschmir.

He had instilled discipline into the Nation which was Essential during infancy. Day to day running of the State was done without a Proper treasury.

India had both Soviet courting and the western bloc. The young democratic Nation felt swayed more by the Western bloc.

You cannot imagine the ground reality and in hindsight one can always argue whichever way one like.

just like Gandhis murder

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Sir there is no concept or lesser or higher gods in Islam. There is only one God who created us all.

At a conceptual, scriptual level true but at the practical, temporal level there is inequity, stratification and pecking order.