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Will continue to back J&K rebels, Pakistan tells Hurriyat

Supporting religious extremists has cost Pakistan dearly. Many soldiers and innocent citizens are paying prizes for this mistake on daily basis. and still this? have some serious doubt your leaders priorities and intellect.
 
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You think it would make a difference? They are nothing more than cannon fodder for our forces. IA will make sure each and every scumbag receives a bullet in the head. Good practice for our boys if you ask me.
lolz tabhi ia let tak ko khatam ni kar saki .. :D .. taliban k anay say jo kashmir india k liye sar dard ha wo brain tumor ban jana ha :) ..
 
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SRINAGAR: Pakistan's national security advisor told Hurriyat that Pakistan would continue to support the separatist cause in Jammu & Kashmir during his meeting with the hardliners led by Syed Ali Shah Gilani on Sunday, a Hurriyat spokesman told TOI on Friday.

Aziz's response was in reaction to Geelani conveying to the Pakistan NSA that the Musharraf formula on Kashmir was unacceptable to Kashmiris and that Pakistan should instead stress on the UN resolution "pending since 1947" over the issue.

"Geelani told Aziz that Pakistan should continue to support the Kashmir cause politically as well as diplomatically, besides through other means, and highlight human rights violations in J&K at the hands of the security forces," said Ayaz Akbar, Geelani's spokesman.

Musharraf's four points included demilitarization, maximum autonomy, making border irrelevant and joint management of the area. Subsequent Pakistani governments have rejected the formula saying it was Musharraf's personal line of thinking and lacked endorsement by Pakistani parliament.

Geelani, considered the most influential Kashmiri separatist leader in the Valley, met Aziz in New Delhi on Sunday last along with other separatists. "Geelani also told Aziz that out-of-the-box solution to the Kashmir problem won't be acceptable to Kashmiris and Pakistan needs to pursue UN resolutions that emphasize on permanent solution of the problem," Akbar told TOI.

Chairman of Hurriyat's moderate faction, Mirwaiz Umar Farooq , told Aziz he wasn't averse to talks between India and Pakistan on Kashmir. Both Geelani and Dukhtaran-e-Millat chief Asiya Andrabi criticized Pakistan for its "u-turn" on its earlier stand on Kashmir, other Hurriyat sources told TOI.

Aziz reiterated that the new Sharif government in Pakistan was "keen on resolving all outstanding issues with India including the core problem of Kashmir at the earliest".

Aziz is believed to have told Mirwaiz, "The government is not averse to undertaking proposal for intra-regional cooperation between two parts of Kashmir."

Interestingly, Geelani met Aziz after the moderate separatists including Mirwaiz and Yasin Malik had left the venue, a source said. We should get rid of the Indian rule in J&K and be allowed to decide our future under UN resolutions of 1947," Akbar, who accompanied Geelani to the meeting, told TOI.

Will continue to back J&K rebels, Pakistan tells Hurriyat - The Times of India


Pakistan is already sorted out for next 10 years. You should survive yourself first, then think about supporting anyone in J&K.
 
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Is The Sharif-Musharraf Rivalry Affecting Kashmiri Separatists?
While Islamabad’s policy towards Hurriyat Conference leader Geelani has stayed unchanged, Sharif’s return as PM has set separatist quarters in the Valley abuzz
RIYAZ WANI


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Does Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s rivalry with the former president Pervez Musharraf have a bearing on the separatist politics in Kashmir? Theoretically, it does. And the odds are, it is already playing out across Kashmir’s separatist scene, with “rumours” that Islamabad might recognise Hurriyat (G) chairman Syed Ali Shah Geelani as the Hurriyat chairman. And these rumours are validated by no less than Geelani’s close aide Ayaz Akber.

Whether this scenario actually comes to pass or not, it hardly detracts from the reasons for this expectation. And these reasons have to do with the relations the moderate Hurriyat chairman Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and Geelani have enjoyed with Islamabad over the past decade. While Farooq has been on the best of terms with Pakistan, particularly with Musharraf, Geelani has generally been left out in the cold. But it is the relationship of these two leaders with Musharraf that is of particular interest under the circumstances. For it was Musharraf who, in 2005, turned his back on Geelani when the latter opposed his “out-of-the-box” approach to the Kashmir resolution.

It was an extraordinary step for any Pakistan government to undertake. All his life, Geelani has been a staunch pro-Pakistan leader, seeking Kashmir’s merger with Pakistan as an ideal settlement for the dispute over the state. This is why when in 2003 Hurriyat split on the issue of one of its constituents, People’s Conference, allegedly fielding proxy candidates in the 2002 elections, Islamabad was quick to recognise Geelani’s Hurriyat faction as the real Hurriyat and Geelani as its chairman. This hurtled the leader to the centre of the Valley’s separatist politics. It was a time when militancy was at its peak with car bombings and suicide missions lending it a lethal angle.

However, two years later, Islamabad decided to review its support to Geelani when he personally offended Musharraf on his visit to India by blaming him for diluting Pakistan’s position on Kashmir. Geelani had complained to the General that his advocacy of a flexible approach to the Kashmir resolution had relegated the UN resolution on Kashmir – the bulwark of the Kashmir dispute – to the background. These resolutions called for a free and fair plebiscite under UN auspices to enable the people of Jammu and Kashmir to determine whether they wish to join Pakistan or India.

Geelani subsequently led a sustained campaign against Musharraf’s Four Point proposals, which sought a settlement of Kashmir without a change in the borders. And when Musharraf finally resigned in 2008 under pressure from the lawyers’ agitation, Geelani, who at the time was addressing a rally in Srinagar, said his exit was “good news”, and good riddance.

On the other hand, the Farooq camp not only supported Musharraf in his peace endeavours with India but also worked to mobilise public opinion in Kashmir for his Four Point proposals.

However, while Islamabad’s policy towards Geelani stayed unchanged through the PPP-led government, Sharif’s return as PM has set separatist quarters in the Valley abuzz. Would Sharif be more inclined towards Geelani since he had always stood up against hisbête noire Musharraf, and welcomed his exit?

“We have also heard rumours to this effect but can’t say anything conclusively,” Hurriyat (G) spokesman Ayaz Akber told Tehelka. “But this doesn’t matter. Our primary allegiance is to the struggle for Kashmir’s liberation. And we don’t need anybody’s recognition for this”.

When contacted, Farooq brushed aside these rumours. “Pakistan supports our just struggle. We are not privy to anything that suggests a policy change towards Hurriyat,” Farooq said adding, “ Besides, government policies are not individual specific but are shaped by national interest and geo-political factors”.

However, some separatist leaders, in private, dismiss the prospect of such a drastic shift. “Geelani Sahib stands for a maximalist solution for Kashmir. The question is if Pakistan decides to privilege him over other leaders, would he go with Islamabad’s new accommodationist approach towards the Kashmir resolution?,” said a moderate Hurriyat leader and then added, “ The answer is he won’t, and under the circumstances this would hardly be conducive to the efforts for a pragmatic, consensus-based Kashmir solution”.

In their recent meetings in New Delhi with Sartaj Aziz, the visiting advisor on foreign policy to the Pakistan Prime Minister, the separatists were once again urged “to close ranks” in the larger interests of the Azadi movement. Beyond that, as some separatist leaders who were part of these meetings put it, there was nothing new in the conversations. “These are routine, symbolic meetings, like curtsy calls where nothing new is discussed,” said a moderate Hurriyat leader, “The meetings are geared to make a statement. It is their form that is important not the content”.
 
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lolz tabhi ia let tak ko khatam ni kar saki .. :D .. taliban k anay say jo kashmir india k liye sar dard ha wo brain tumor ban jana ha :) ..

Headache? Its not its as peaceful as any Indian city. Rather it denotes it the incompetency of your army who is unwilling to fight head on. So you use poor punjabis, brainwash them and get them shot in the head on the international border. As i said its practice for our boys.

Keep trying and keep failing.
 
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:disagree:My indian bros, So far Haqqanis are very successful in Afghan soil/ground and i think like Tendulkar they can simply outclass or can give serious headache to any opponent on foreign pitches/track:agree:. and dont forget Kashmir is there Homeground:fie:. So dont take it so easy.

Haqqanis are good or bad i am not discussing here.

A little off topic, as a cricket lover i love Tendulkar, he is one the best player i have ever seen.:smitten:
well last time I read an article, haqqanis were blaming ISI for murder of their top leader. So Pakistan should worry more than India. Anyway even if they come in Kashmir, it'll only serve our purpose in long term as our Afghan Brothers have to fight less as enemy will be divided between Afganistan and Kashmir. Also they'll make hardly any difference in Kashmir as even before 9/11, for more than a decade many afgan/pak tribal origin pashtun militants came to Kashmir and got killed just like Punjabi militants and that time they were battle hardened too. Kashmir is our play ground and no 'one can' beat us here. Unlike in 90s now we have 80,000 strong Rashtriya Rifles trained only for COIN missions. Also once we induct our LCH next year, killing militants would be even easier.
PS: in 90s, all COIN operations used to be operated by BSF even though they were not trained in that but now we have Rashtriya Rifles especially for that.
 
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We must learn a thing or two from Pakistan's ISI by sending Messrs Gilani a Co to Jannat. They can have their independent kingdom there in the clouds with a harem thrown in as a freebie.


Jeeez! These fookers have the best of time in Kashmir with massive houses COSTING CRORES (funded from across the border and their chelas in Kashmir) AND (hold your breath) WITH SECURITY PROVIDED BY THE GOVERNMENT!!!! :pissed: And of course, subsidized food, electricity, water and so on, that costs less than half of what it costs in other parts of India. This really really sucks to hell and high heaven!
 
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Headache? Its not its as peaceful as any Indian city. Rather it denotes it the incompetency of your army who is unwilling to fight head on. So you use poor punjabis, brainwash them and get them shot in the head on the international border. As i said its practice for our boys.

Keep trying and keep failing.
lolz indian occupied Kashmir .. aur peaceful .. lolz :rofl: ..

bas karo yar .. has has k bura haal ha .. :rofl:
 
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lolz indian occupied Kashmir .. aur peaceful .. lolz :rofl: ..

bas karo yar .. has has k bura haal ha .. :rofl:

Don't try to hide your insecurity behind your laugh. Kashmir is peaceful than any other pakistani state Why don't you see what's going on in karachi? Compare that to Kashmir and you would find how peaceful it is. Atleast every second bombs are not exploding on the streets.
 
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What about people like Nawab Akbar Bugti then?

Kashmiris serve in large numbers in Indian Army and Police forces too. The Indian Army has a Jammu & Kashmir Light Infantry Regiment which comprises of 50% Kashmiri Muslims and Ladakh Scouts Regiment. Does that mean all's well and good in Kashmir? Stop giving such silly examples to mask the fact that Balochistan is facing a serious insurgency problem.

Haha.. terrorist rats... ur boyfrnds!

What about people like Major Shafqat Baloch (SJ)(late) 1965 -71 war hero! Or the Baluch regiment! :lol:
 
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lolz indian occupied Kashmir .. aur peaceful .. lolz :rofl: ..

bas karo yar .. has has k bura haal ha .. :rofl:

People die in thousands in Karachi due to violence, situation in Kashmir is not that much grim.
 
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These statements make case against Hurriyat more strong in India.
 
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and india will keep continue supporting BLA and taliban . larty raho marty raho
 
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