Will China ever allow India to be part of the Nuclear Suppliers Group?

[I M Sikander]

Don't care what you do. When 44/48 members support India's bid what can China single-handedly do with just 3 member states who don't have a direct conflict with India. Just to appease China they will not oppose India. And, if you guys think Pakistan is stopping India from NSG then I will ask you to laugh (lunatic).

4 members are too much , even China alone is sufficient to make you cry for NSG membership.

You better not worry about Pakistan's NSG membership. Go and get it for yourself first and then do the chest thumping.

 

[ebrahym]

All international cooperation agreements may not be as lopsided as CPEC which not only infringes the Sovereignty of our western neighbour but in fact gives China total control of a strategic port along with free transit.

how is that selling sovereignty??

China won't allow. It will be forced to accept out of fear for expose and international isolation in this specific issue.

China's rise was due to the sheer support of USA. No doubt in it even if manipulated Chinese intellects in this forum deny that over and over. Now that you have grown something and going on a collision course with the USA (which you will terribly lose) doesn't mean that whoever is having relationships with the USA are your enemies. One question, almost all of European countries are proper allies of the USA and why China is begging EU for business and trade opportunities instead of treating them as enemies like China treats India now ? Because EU have more rich people than India ? China runs after money is the harsh reality.

and now it is all repeating itself does it not ?

 

[Aali Shafi]

Let Pakistan become a priviledged member of Nuclear Supplier Group then we will ask China to grant India with membership status of NSG.

 

[ebrahym]

But surely, if China promise to Behave according to law, India and USA might support her bid in MTCR not as a boss but as an Ally

as per my information china has never intended to join it

Don't care what you do. When 44/48 members support India's bid what can China single-handedly do with just 3 member states who don't have a direct conflict with India. Just to appease China they will not oppose India. And, if you guys think Pakistan is stopping India from NSG then I will ask you to laugh (lunatic).

India will not be included in NSG if china is the only country opposing it ...... its in the rules

 

[Jamwal's]

as per my information china has never intended to join it

Time to update your "information" regarding China's MTCR bid.

Source - Bridging the Pacific

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=eybABAAAQBAJ&pg=PA258&lpg=PA258&dq=china+mtcr+application+rejected&source=bl&ots=iCFi1VSmDR&sig=eBYidFWPfu0fYE4PEXrMDb_YoPA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwib__Xi_-XNAhULuY8KHe1YDvg4ChDoAQghMAE#v=onepage&q=china mtcr application rejected&f=false

 

[Laozi]

how is that selling sovereignty??

It is @Chinese-Dragon who used this phrase, not me.

Anyways get updated about CPEC by using the following link.

http://thediplomat.com/2015/11/chinese-state-firm-takes-control-of-strategically-vital-gwadar-port/

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Is that why India sold their sovereignty to America by agreeing to sign the CISMOA/LSA?

Why do you consider LSA signatory to be violation of one's own sovereignty?

Both Pakistan and Sri Lanka had signed LSA with USA.

Guess you have utter contempt for Pakistanis and will go to any extant to vilify them, very unfortunate

I guess you found out too late that your new boss couldn't actually get you the NSG seat in the first place.

Let for a second pretend USA is not China's "boss", given pdf Chinese members "sensitivities" on this

Let us assume none of the following ever happened :
1.USA having former colonial enclaves on Chinese soil,
2. USA blowing up Chinese embassy,
3. USA getting away with espionage and death of Chinese pilot,
4. and USA's continued interference in Chinese internal affairs in regard to Taiwan.

Funny thing is that the USA managed to coerce China into accepting India's NSG waiver, thereby making China compromise on its own national security. USA may not be China's "boss" in Chinese eyes, but USA surely seem to treat China like a vassal. For its own economic benefits using China as a tool.

How humiliating must it be to have USA compromising on Chinese national security during the century of humiliation and even during current times

India will not be included in NSG if china is the only country opposing it ...... its in the rules

China opposed India's NSG waiver as well.

 

[ebrahym]

It is @Chinese-Dragon who used this phrase, not me.

Anyways get updated about CPEC by using the following link.

http://thediplomat.com/2015/11/chinese-state-firm-takes-control-of-strategically-vital-gwadar-port/

you are quoting a western news agency ..... for news on china ...... of course they are going to be like this ..... now tell how much do you know about media manipulation ....... because if you watch the shows on gawadar here in pakkistani media from gawadar you will know what real deal is on the ground

Time to update your "information" regarding China's MTCR bid.

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Source - Bridging the Pacific

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=eybABAAAQBAJ&pg=PA258&lpg=PA258&dq=china+mtcr+application+rejected&source=bl&ots=iCFi1VSmDR&sig=eBYidFWPfu0fYE4PEXrMDb_YoPA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwib__Xi_-XNAhULuY8KHe1YDvg4ChDoAQghMAE#v=onepage&q=china mtcr application rejected&f=false

thnx for the update will remember it

Let for a second pretend USA is not China's "boss"

hahahha

China opposed India's NSG waiver as well.

above you said USA forced them to accept it now you are saying they opposed it ..... bro what exactly you trying to say ??

 

[Laozi]

you are quoting a western news agency ..... for news on china ...... of course they are going to be like this ..... now tell how much do you know about media manipulation ....... because if you watch the shows on gawadar here in pakkistani media from gawadar you will know what real deal is on the ground

Only these two Pakistani Newspapers mentioned this news with a lot of sugar coating.

Hope you are intelligent enough to make out what it really means

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...th-china-for-special-economic-zone-in-gwadar/

http://nation.com.pk/national/14-Se...3-year-lease-for-gwadar-special-economic-zone

 

[ebrahym]

Only these two Pakistani Newspapers mentioned this news with a lot of sugar coating.

Hope you are intelligent enough to make out what it really means

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...th-china-for-special-economic-zone-in-gwadar/

http://nation.com.pk/national/14-Se...3-year-lease-for-gwadar-special-economic-zone

i recommend you MAHAZ by Wajaht saeed khan on gawadar ...... he will take you into gawadar and will tell you the ground realities and how much sovereignty we have there ......

and how does leasing economic zone is selling sovereignty ...... because the only people benefiting from it is Pakistanis,.....
it is not like they own the area and will use gawadar to attack india ....... oops some one else has signed it with someone else

 

[Laozi]

and how does leasing economic zone is selling sovereignty ...... because the only people benefiting from it is Pakistanis,.....

How about leasing other parts of your country which are neighbouring Iran and India to them ? .

These Countries will be more beneficial to the local people.

Moreover Pakistan will be free of many headaches

 

[ebrahym]

How about leasing other parts of your country which are neighbouring Iran and India to them ? .

These Countries will be more beneficial to the local people.

Moreover Pakistan will be free of many headaches

nah you dont provide economic benefits ........ hey why dont you sell kashmir to us ...... funny way to resolve conflict

 

[Laozi]

nah you dont provide economic benefits ........ hey why dont you sell kashmir to us ...... funny way to resolve conflict

Okay sounds nice.

Tell Ishaq Dar to quote your bids for buying the parts held by us and simultaneously make an offer to sell the parts held by you.

I promise, You will have a deal if the spread of bids are reasonable by any standard.

 

[Centurion2016]

The Indians got MTCR membership

so nsg is a forgone conclusion/.

just like its a forgone conclusion that indian GDP will rise from 8th largest today to 3rd largest over next 15 years

THERE IS NOTHING PAKISTN OR CHINA can do to prevent this

 

[ThaniOruvan]

India will not be included in NSG if china is the only country opposing it ...... its in the rules

When all others agree and China alone does not (for no reason) then it is like not respecting consensus based on which the organization is held together. So much for 'a' person from 'a' country to understand all these.

4 members are too much , even China alone is sufficient to make you cry for NSG membership.

You better not worry about Pakistan's NSG membership. Go and get it for yourself first and then do the chest thumping.

Keep dreaming that China alone would stop India from entering.
Why do you think China summoned its NSG representative for not gathering enough support against India ?
China very well knows it cannot do it alone in an open world. It is only Pakistanis who play second fiddle to china and live in day dreams that their all powerful paper dragon will hurt India forever. Funny guys !!!