WikiLeaks: Sonia wanted to ban Bajrang Dal

[ExtraOdinary]

So? You want them lynched instead? Maybe a pogrom on one of their localities to drill the idea into them as one member suggested.

No! I want their organisation banned. I dont like religious fundoos, doesnt matter which religion

 

[Dillinger]

So? You want them lynched instead? Maybe a pogrom on one of their localities to drill the idea into them as one member suggested.

Killing ain't wrong, never said it was. Nothing wrong with the Bajrangi ideology either..no ideology is inherently wrong. At the end of the day you rule by strength. The ideology of the strong is the right ideology. They are not strong nor particularly beneficial. What they are is a malaise in so far as their actions are concerned. For my part I am not a liberal, just agnostic and morally-ambiguous. So yes- they need to be put down and hard.

 

[cyphercide]

No! I want their organisation banned.

Would you support a parallel ban on Christian missionaries and the subsequent tactics they use for conversions?

Else, all you will do will be erasing a name. Two others will pop up in its place and I am just being frank here.

 

[Fuego]

This is may be the first time I am supporting Sonia.

But this "leak" has a good timing with the election right next year.

 

[ExtraOdinary]

Would you support a parallel ban on Christian missionaries and the subsequent tactics they use for conversions?

Else, all you will do will be erasing a name. Two others will pop up in its place and I am just being frank here.

Yes, if they use coercive measures to convert people. But I believe in freedom of religion, you should be free to choose your faith.

 

[Dillinger]

Would you support a parallel ban on Christian missionaries and the subsequent tactics they use for conversions?

Else, all you will do will be erasing a name. Two others will pop up in its place and I am just being frank here.

Why not, the extremists in the NE have had quite a bit of help from "missionaries". Someone wants to be a Christian, her/his right. Someone wants to propagate ideology in the name of some/any religion, preach that members of their congregation need to breed so as to raise their numbers and that sort of drivel- put them down too.

Regulate Churches, Mosques, Temples- all of them. Review material both used in sermons and curriculum (in case of madrasas). Keep a reign on such activities...freedom of religion is subordinate to India First. Anything that aims to strike a blow at us, however feeble the blow may seem, is nemesis.

 

[cyphercide]

Killing ain't wrong, never said it was. Nothing wrong with the Bajrangi ideology either..no ideology is inherently wrong. At the end of the day you rule by strength. The ideology of the strong is the right ideology. They are not strong nor particularly beneficial. What they are is a malaise in so far as their actions are concerned. For my part I am not a liberal, just agnostic and morally-ambiguous. So yes- they need to be put down and hard.

Sure. But does the move have any pragmatic value or can it be a long term fix? Treat it as a law and order problem and you will see results. Treat it as a political problem and voice out your concerns against their specific agenda and you will see change as seen in many hardline groups who have toned down their approach.

But if you treat it as a cancer only fit for excision, you will risk chopping up some healthy organs and remission is always a 50-50 affair. Groups like Bajrang Dal didn't start off as a casual posse, did it?

Why not, the extremists in the NE have had quite a bit of help from "missionaries". Someone wants to be a Christian, her/his right. Someone wants to propagate ideology in the name of some/any religion, preach that members of their congregation need to breed so as to raise their numbers and that sort of drivel- put them down too.

Regulate Churches, Mosques, Temples- all of them. Review material both used in sermons and curriculum (in case of madrasas). Keep a reign on such activities...freedom of religion is subordinate to India First. Anything that aims to strike a blow at us, however feeble the blow may seem, is nemesis.

That I can agree with.

 

[timetravel]

How are the Christian missionaries able to distribute their hatred filled content against Indian Gods like Shiva, Hanuman etc in India, specially when India is Hindu Majority?

I know one Christian convert family from Sri Lanka. They say Shiva is an evil and a spiril? !! WTF. They are told such things in Church.

How come such inflammatory material is distributed and how come they are not jailed that too in India??

I am not against technings of Jesus. If you want to promote his good teaching am ok but why the **** they resort/need to slanderHindu Gods and why no action is taken against them. WTF.

 

[Dillinger]

Sure. But does the move have any pragmatic value or can it be a long term fix? Treat it as a law and order problem and you will see results. Treat it as a political problem and voice out your concerns against their specific agenda and you will see change seen in many hardline groups who have toned down their approach.

But if you treat it as a cancer only fit for excision, you will risk chopping up some healthy organs and remission is always a 50-50 affair. Groups like Bajrang Dal didn't start off as a casual posse, did it?

Excision is quick, its efficient. More importantly it sets an example. There is only room for one vision in this nation- a vision that is not Nehru's socialist paradise or the RSS's Hindu mah-rashtra. That vision is of a nation home to its people, resurgent and strong. The directive principles of our constitution clearly spell out what we are meant to be. ANYTHING that goes against that is fit to be killed. Once you put yourself in opposition of the state then you've forgone any right to plead parlay.

Again, it is strength that matters. No one wanted to talk to the Maoists..we proved incapable of eradicating them and so we had to try and negotiate (that the negotiations were a failure is another thing). On the other hand many groups in the NE came to the table on their own volition after they had been decimated. The process is- first hit them hard and decimate them, then IF they bend the knee be benevolent and talk. Not the other way round. These groups are not sovereign nations that they need to be treated with respect and handled with diplomacy.

 

[janon]

How are the Christian missionaries able to distribute their hatred filled content against Indian Gods like Shiva, Hanuman etc in India, specially when India is Hindu Majority?

I know one Christian convert family from Sri Lanka. They say Shiva is an evil and a spiril? !! WTF. They are told such things in Church.

How come such inflammatory material is distributed and how come they are not jailed that too in India??

I am not against technings of Jesus. If you want to promote his good teaching am ok but why the **** they resort/need to slanderHindu Gods and why no action is taken against them. WTF.

Maybe because the gods should defend their own name? Because the gods should punish people for insulting them, if they are the sort of gods who want to do that? And it shouldn't be humans' job to defend the name of every god? Ever thought about that?

 

[cyphercide]

Yes, if they use coercive measures to convert people. But I believe in freedom of religion, you should be free to choose your faith.

Uhuh. You say that because you're a well educated person who knows better than to lash out in hatred even in the face of extreme propaganda.

Our government, joining the ranks of shining democracies like Saudi Arabia and the ilk, banned "Innocence Of Muslims" at warp speed. Why isn't the same consideration floated the Hindu's way? Because they expect every one of us to be blessed with the same intellect and restraint. That simply isn't true.

 

[StormShadow]

NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. Bunch of goons is all that the Bajrang Dal is, their "contributions" are as follows, beat up young couples on Valentines day, vandalize showrooms which display "vulgar" art pieces and protest against anyone who they deem to be anti-hindu (Including Modi).

They are atavistic and regression-oriented and need to be put down with absolute prejudice, if need be slaughtered along with their families- before they spread their disease.

They think the same and are following it. The bold part clearly shows you are no different from them. So,is it ok to slaughter you along with your family?

 

[Dillinger]

They think the same and are following it. The bold part clearly shows you are no different from them. So,is it ok to slaughter you along with your family?

Read the posts above.

If they are strong enough to do so then yes, legality and morality come afterwards. The first rule descends from might.

 

[Hobo1]

Our media is totally silent on this story because this really shows the true nature of christian missionaries whom our commie media has so viciously defended.
Why doesn't Christian missinaries so actively work in other poor Muslim countries ?
M. K. Narayanan former National Security Advisor and Congress leader KV Thomas cannot be wrong.
This Wikileak story clearly shows what these bajrang Dal guys having been shouting for years is indeed true. i studied in christain school and i have seen life style of kids whose parents converted to christainity change overnite.

 

[selvan33]

they are just indian version of taliban.............

Pentacostals are christian talibans.