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The ISI: America’s favourite scapegoat

First, a freelance reporter brings down America’s top general in Afghanistan with a damning article in the iconic pop-culture Rolling Stone magazine. Now, thousands of classified military documents are published on to the Internet through a website called WikiLeaks allegedly through a US soldier who had a change in conscience.

Both stories have the makings of a future Hollywood film. But most importantly, both stories reveal an Afghan War that is going very wrong. Sadly, coverage in the US, of arguably the two biggest scoops of the year, can only be described as constrained. Most media moguls chose to shy away from the real story.

Michael Hastings article, “the Runaway General” did not turn in to a larger discussion of a failing war like he intended, but became a mission to prove no general is above the civilian leadership in the US.

And now in the WikiLeaks story, instead of focusing on the many war crimes, cover-ups and evidence of an occupation mentality in Afghanistan, most American news networks and publications have seized the opportunity to either berate WikiLeaks for divulging secret information or to point fingers at Pakistan by pulling headlines like, “Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan,” and editorials like “Pakistan’s double game.”

And those were just the christening headings given by the New York Times, one of the three news organizations and the only US publication that was given a two-week jump-start to analyse the 92,000 leaked US intelligence reports from the war in Afghanistan between 2004 and 2009.

The Guardian, one of the two European papers that was also given early access to the classified documents decided to headline, “Massive leak of secret files exposes truth of occupation“.

In a press conference in London, Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks said, “I am often asked this question: what is the most single damning revelation, what is the thing that is easily capturable, the single event, the single personality, the single mass killing? But that is not the real story of this material, the real story of the material is that it is war. It is one damn thing, after the other.”

The WikiLeaks founder himself focused on the number of civilian casualties cited in the documents and said there is evidence of “war crimes” throughout the reports.

Click for an excerpt of the press conference.

Much in line with Assange’s tragic narrative, the leaked documents depict a disturbing fudging of facts and unreported killing of hundreds of civilians. Two incidents in particular have been highlighted by the Guardian.

One involves a group of US marines, who went on a shooting rampage after coming under attack near Jalalabad in 2007. They recorded false information about the incident, in which they actually killed 19 unarmed civilians and wounded another 50.

In another case the same year, documents detail how US special forces dropped six 2,000lb bombs on a compound where they believed a “high-value individual” was hiding, after “ensuring there were no innocent Afghans in the surrounding area”. A senior US commander reported that 150 Taliban had been killed. Locals, however, reported that up to 300 civilians had died.

But the NYT chose not to run with these stories as their lead, instead they pulled out the ISI card, in their Editorial “Pakistan’s Double Game”.

“…the most alarming of the reports were the ones that described the cynical collusion between Pakistan’s military intelligence service and the Taliban. Despite the billions of dollars the United States has sent in aid to Pakistan since Sept. 11, they offer powerful new evidence that crucial elements of Islamabad’s power structure have been actively helping to direct and support the forces attacking the American-led military coalition…..Americans are increasingly weary of this costly war. If Mr. Obama cannot persuade Islamabad to cut its ties to, and then aggressively fight, the extremists in Pakistan, there is no hope of defeating the Taliban in Afghanistan.”

Here’s a bit of the Guardian coverage that takes some of the weight off the ISI:

“At least 180 files contain allegations of dirty tricks by the powerful agency with accounts of undercover agents training suicide bombers, bundles of money slipping across the border and covert support for a range of sensational plots including the assassination of President Hamid Karzai, attacks on Nato warplanes and even poisoning western troops’ beer supply. But for all their eye-popping details, the intelligence files, which are mostly collated by junior officers relying on informants and Afghan officials, fail to provide a convincing smoking gun for ISI complicity. Most of the reports are vague, filled with incongruent detail, or crudely fabricated. The same characters – famous Taliban commanders, well-known ISI officials – and scenarios repeatedly pop up. And few of the events predicted in the reports subsequently occurred. A retired senior American officer said ground-level reports were considered to be a mixture of “rumours, bullshit and second-hand information” and were weeded out as they passed up the chain of command.”

I can understand why the US is trying to deflect off the greater tragedy that the leaked reports reveal – a failing war that has had its fair share of civilian causalities – especially at a time when the American public is increasingly growing wary of the distant war as they tighten their belts in a weak jobless economy. But I wish they chose a scapegoat other than the Pakistani ISI.

The truth is the ISI is doing what spy agencies do. Their actions are no different from the CIA. The only difference is that the ISI acts in what it perceives to be Pakistan’s interest, while the CIA acts in what it perceives to be America’s interest.

Now what is American interest? Wiping out the Taliban.

What is Pakistan’s interest? Surviving.

Here’s the bitter impending truth that Pakistan and the ISI have to deal with. When the US and Nato forces eventually leave Afghanistan, it will not be because all of the Taliban have been wiped out. It will simply be because they just aren’t worth the fight anymore. Most analysts agree that the Taliban are much stronger than they were in 2001. Fighting the allied forces the last nine years has left the tribal warriors better equipped, trained, united and organised. If anything, before bidding farewell to Afghanistan, the US will have captured some big guns among the ranks. The Taliban and their many foot soldiers and commanders will still be around. Karzai’s government, his bureaucracy, police force and Afghan army are not ready (and from the looks of it will never be ready) to deal with the Taliban. The ISI fears the dust from departing US boots would have barely settled before Afghanistan is back in Taliban hands.

And Pakistan will be left with yet another hostile neighbor. So is it really in Pakistan’s interest to alienate and declare an all-out war with the Taliban? By keeping its ties with the saner elements of the Taliban, the ISI is simply trying to prevent a painful déjà vu from the ’80s coupled with the possibility of very bitter enemy, on its eastern border.

The sad thing is the US understands these realities; in fact many elements within the US establishment are for talks with the “good” Taliban. And that is a course the Obama administration has been toying with since it put its new Afghan policy into motion in 2009. The leaked documents only cover incidents up until January 2009, which is before the new Obama policy was put in place. In fact, in an interview with ABC news last year, Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State emphasized the need to sort out the real enemy. She said,”not every Taliban is Al Qaeda.”

So why put pressure on ISI, when they might just be doing what the US wants them to do in the first place–divide and conquer the Taliban?

Because when push comes to shove, and things start looking bleak in Afghanistan, especially to the American public, the US immediately points its finger at its “ostensible” ally.

Pakistan has become America’s favorite scapegoat.

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NYT is a hardcore Zionist propaganda rag and is notoriously anti-Pakistan (Harpoon missiles anyone?) Ditto Der Spiegel. The rest of the American media is not much better.

In any case, the only thing these leaks have established is that the ISI maintains contact with the Taliban. That is not a revelation to anybody -- the ISI has always maintained that channels of communication must always remain open. As for evidence of direct complicity in anti-NATO or anti-Afghan activity, the leaks offer nothing new or substantial. It's the same old game of innuendo and unreliable (i.e. faked) 'reports'.

It's ironic that the same people in India and the West who berate Pakistanis for believing in foreign conspiracy theories are the ones who now see ghosts of ISI popping up everywhere. Too morally corrupt to take responsbility for their own failures of governance and occupation, they are shifting the blame onto Pakistan and the ISI. Unfortunately, in politics as in real life, perception trumps reality and the anti-Pakistan crowd is using this opportunity to demonize Pakistan, knowing full well that the facts do not warrant the headlines.
 
You what is actually ironic is the fact that US Media is not talking about actual war crimes (Civilians Deaths by US Forces and then covering them up) which is actually much bigger crime and DPRO I do agree I have never seen a good article about Pakistan in NYT.Have seen few good articles in The Atlantic but that's it.
 
True or not, this will not help an already downtrodden public opinion about Pakistan in the west. A less talked about (but more immidiate) impact of this will be felt by Pakistani origin people living in the US, specially in the smaller towns which contribute the most towards the US infantry troops numbers that are getting killed in Afghanistan.
 
True or not, this will not help an already downtrodden public opinion about Pakistan in the west. A less talked about (but more immidiate) impact of this will be felt by Pakistani origin people living in the US, specially in the smaller towns which contribute the most towards the US infantry troops numbers that are getting killed in Afghanistan.

Ah, you are suggesting that media manipulation and propaganda based on unverifiable accounts that are looking increasingly 'made up' will result in prejudice and discriminatory behavior towards Pakistani-Americans from other Americans?

Once more, if that comes to take place, it reflects extremely poorly on Americans, and only further necessitates pointing out that the intelligence being ballyhooed by the US media is unverified, and in many cases turned out to be outright false.

So I think that fact that these allegations are patently not true continues to be a very important point that needs to be made.

By I understand your discomfort, now that the falsity of these allegations is increasingly clear, resulting in a shifting away from 'true or not' to focus on secondary issues as a result of the media propagating false information.
 
'Young US intel expert may have passed documents to Wikileaks'


LONDON: A 22-year-old US Army intelligence analyst, facing a court-martial, appears to be behind the biggest leak in US military history of classified documents on the war in Afghanistan that also exposed Pakistan's double- game in the war-torn country, including its Taliban links.

Bradley Manning, who allegedly boasted online that he was going to reveal "the truth" about the war in Afghanistan, is believed to be the main suspect who leaked the information to Wikileaks, the Telegraph reported.

Manning was arrested in Baghdad in May and charged earlier this month with multiple counts of mishandling and leaking classified data, after a computer hacker turned him in, the paper said.

Wikileaks, the website known for publishing secret government documents, has exposed Pakistani ISI's links with Afghan insurgents and Taliban, undermining US-led efforts to stabilise the war-torn nation. With over 90,000 US military documents leaked on the website, the expose is considered to be a huge embarrassment for the US.

During online chats with the hacker, a man thought to be Manning said he had passed material relating to Afghanistan to Julian Assange, the founder of the Wikileaks website which leaked more than 92,000 secret documents to select media.

Manning, who is currently awaiting a court martial, is widely assumed to have been the man who passed the documents to Assange, though investigators believe he must have had accomplices.

Manning is alleged to be a whistle-blower who used the online name Bradass87 when he contacted a high-profile Californian computer hacker, Adrian Lamo, on May 21, the paper said.

Over the following five days, Bradass87 held a series of online conversations with Lamo, in which he identified himself as "an army intelligence analyst, deployed to eastern Baghdad" with "unprecedented access to classified networks".

He said his job gave him access to two high-security networks: the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network, SIPRNET, which carries US diplomatic and military intelligence; and the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System, which includes "top secret" classification.

Bradass87 said the networks had enabled him to see "incredible things, awful things that belong in the public domain and not on some server stored in a dark room in Washington DC almost criminal political backdealings the non- PR version of world events and crises".


He said he had downloaded 260,000 classified or sensitive State Department cables and transmitted them by computer to Wikileaks.


He claimed he copied some of the information on to blank CDs labelled "Lady Gaga" and hummed along to non-existent music while he downloaded secret information.

"I want people to see the truth," he added. "It's open diplomacy it's Climategate with a global scope and breathtaking depth it's beautiful and horrifying. It's public data, it belongs in the public domain."

Unknown to Bradass87, Lamo had contacted the US military two days into the online chat, fearing that the leak of information would endanger lives.

On May 25, he met Pentagon officials in a branch of Starbucks and gave them a printout of the online chat. Manning was arrested the next day at US Forward Operating Base Hammer near Baghdad, the Telegraph said.


Manning is also suspected of being behind the leak of a video, distributed by Assange in April, of a 2007 US helicopter strike in Baghdad which killed a dozen people.

Yesterday, Lamo said he had no doubt Manning was behind the vast amount of leaked material from Afghanistan, though he strongly suspected the young analyst from Maryland could not have acted alone.


"It was not my impression that he had the technical expertise to carry out some of these actions," he was quoted as saying.
 
go to new york times editorial and read comments.specialy indians.lol
 
WASHINGTON, July 27, 2010 (AFP) - A top US senator warned Tuesday against reading too much in a massive leak of Pentagon documents on the Afghan war and flatly rejected any comparison to the Vietnam-era "Pentagon Papers" disclosure.

"I think it's important not to overhype or get excessively excited about the meaning of those documents," Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman John Kerry, a Democrat, said at a hearing on the nearly nine-year-old conflict.

Kerry underscored that the leaked trove, made public by the whistleblowing Web site Wikileaks, comprised mostly raw intelligence field reports, some of them "completely dismissable," others "unreliable," and some trustworthy.

"People need to be very careful in evaluating what they read there," he said, notably underscoring that charges Pakistani intelligence officials backed Afghan insurgents were "not new allegations."

"This is something we have been dealing with and many people believe we have made some progress," he said.

Kerry explicitly rejected efforts to paint the leak as being as damaging as the "Pentagon Papers" disclosure that revealed that the US government -- from the president on down -- had misled the public on the Vietnam war.

"There is no relationship whatsoever to that event or to those documents," said the senator, who said the new leak showed "a very different pattern of involvement by the US government from that period of time."

Kerry blasted any disclosure of classified information as "unacceptable," stressing that "it breaks the law and equally importantly it compromises the efforts of our troops in the field, potentially."

He also underscored that the disclosure covered documents leading up to December 2009, when President Barack Obama unveiled a new strategy of boosting US force levels to pursue a counterinsurgency strategy in response to the problems in the leaked files.

"All of us, however, are concerned that after nine years of war ... the Taliban appear to be as strong as they have been," said Kerry.
 
"All of us, however, are concerned that after nine years of war ... the Taliban appear to be as strong as they have been," said Kerry.

And this is all the fault of Pakistan and the evil ISI. It can't possibly be because of civilian deaths by NATO or inept governance by Afghans. It's all because of ISI...


Maybe the ISI should start training CIA and Mossad agents. They seem to be one helluva outfit...
 
And this is all the fault of Pakistan and the evil ISI. It can't possibly be because of civilian deaths by NATO or inept governance by Afghans. It's all because of ISI...


Maybe the ISI should start training CIA and Mossad agents. They seem to be one helluva outfit...

:) yeh and its also our fault that yet another wrong war started by US is slipping out of yankees' hand.
 
This leak only verifies what analysists have been saying for many years now:
(1) that this war seems unwinnable, (2) that Iran and some elements of Pakistan may be helping the Taliban (3) that many war crimes have gone unnoticed, etc. It just gives us an in-depth look at them.

Overall I don't think it's going to have a huge toil on the war effort. Public support for the war is already very low across the world (except in Israel to my knowleadge), and if anything it only will damper confidence, lower support even further, and fuel anti-war rallies across the world. There may be cries for investigation into some of the civilain deaths from anti-war activists and organizinations, but the US Government can handle them like it's done in the past without suffering major backlash.
 
another story to create a diversion and put blame for their failures in afghanistan(maybe part of the new GENeral 'PLAN' ):/
US blakwat3r/army and other agencies are everwhere in pakistan yet IS| can fool everione and play double games :S :S Pak has given U$ huge amount of involvement in everithing and everwhere .the prime misnter,army gen,president,parliament,cabinet,even port etc are all of U$ choice. :angry:

THIS is worse than tv drama serial having 2000 episodes !
 
True or not, this will not help an already downtrodden public opinion about Pakistan in the west. A less talked about (but more immidiate) impact of this will be felt by Pakistani origin people living in the US, specially in the smaller towns which contribute the most towards the US infantry troops numbers that are getting killed in Afghanistan.

I don't know why we put up with garbage like this that always seem to come from members from a certain country. How can you substantiate what you have written in this post? How do you know what opinion of Pakistan is in the West? Cite concrete Western analysis of this.

How will this impact Pakistani origin of small towns in the U.S. Do you have anything to back this up or you are assuming? Pakistani people in the U.S. live mostly in urban or surburban areas not in rural small towns. Pakistanis in the U.S. number to a little below half a million. There are Pakistani people being elected in U.K. government what do you have to say about this?

In every thread Indians try to sound like they are posting something wise while you are only trying undermine and ridicule Pakistanis while trying to assert deceptively whatever pesudo superiority they feel they are entitled to. This sounds harsh but I can't help it, mostly in every thread that an Indian posts in its always filled with unsubstanied information that it is deceptively constructed to make it appear that it is a wise and intelligent post. In posts I have seen are minor details clumped up together to make a whole post that cannot be independently verified from a unbiased source. I see some Pakistanis feed on to this, but I have to tell you I can see right through this; not everybody on here is naive. I'm not poniting fingers at all Indians on here because I have seen intelligent posts written by Indians but majority of the time it is the former.

This is not intellectual debating, you can't do this sort of garbage in negotiations with the U.N. or govermental entities.

I can't help but to compare the posting of Indians on this forum to the peace talks in Islamabad and how Qureshi walked out angrily towards India.. :disagree:
 
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Ah, you are suggesting that media manipulation and propaganda based on unverifiable accounts that are looking increasingly 'made up' will result in prejudice and discriminatory behavior towards Pakistani-Americans from other Americans?

Once more, if that comes to take place, it reflects extremely poorly on Americans, and only further necessitates pointing out that the intelligence being ballyhooed by the US media is unverified, and in many cases turned out to be outright false.

So I think that fact that these allegations are patently not true continues to be a very important point that needs to be made.

By I understand your discomfort, now that the falsity of these allegations is increasingly clear, resulting in a shifting away from 'true or not' to focus on secondary issues as a result of the media propagating false information.

I'm sorry to derail and I will stop here but why would respond with a well thought out response to this post when it is undeserving?
 

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