Wikileaks : Secret Afghanistan War logs

[GreenStar]

Some times people have no common sense, lets's look at this in a logical way. Why would Pakistan support terrorist's who are causing havoc in Pakistan, and as a result hundreds of suicide attacks have occurred, killing thousands of civilians.

Pakistan is not playing any form of a double game, in fact we have been honest in fighting terrorists , unlike the United States who have locked themselves up in Kabul, and don't have the guts to take on the enemy full on.........bunch of coward's .......all they do is talk.

 

[GreenStar]

Pakistani president Asif Zardari admits creating terrorist groups - Telegraph check the above link to read Zardari's comments and please ask him what were the gains.

Maybe you have not read history properly, but you do know the terrorists in which he is referring to our the Mujahideen, that fought against the Soviets during the 80s. This is the same group that America funded and supported against the Soviets.

Yes we did support this group, and we were right to do so at the time, as the Soviets were taking over Afghanistan, and strategically this had to be prevented, because of the relationship India had with Russia at the time........we could not afford to have two enemy's on either side of our border.

Futhermore we have stopped funding these groups a long time ago, as Pakistan has gained no benifit.

 

[was]

Hello everybody,
First of all I would like to tell you that I am quite a frequent visitor of PDF. I like to read all the topics that are posted here. For the past 20-30 days I became a member of PDF and I was banned seven times. All I did was replying to those people who disgraced india, Hinduism and hindus. I am not at all posting this post out of frustration. I will speak only the truth.

So here are my observations about PDF, Pakistanis and islam:

1. Moderators and admins of PDF are highly communal. They don’t ban their own fellow Pakistani muslims even if they post highly deterioratory remarks against india, hindus and Hinduism. I was enraged and gave them befitting replies though in a civilized manner.
A word of advice to mods and admins: Give a fair treatment to everybody. Your current behaviour speaks volume about your credibility. If you don’t want Indians to be a part of PDF then frankly say so. You call yourself a “musalmaan” then show some “eemaan” at least.

2. Our Pakistani friends are so naïve. It appears that either they don’t know the truth at all or simply don’t want to accept the truth. India is not your enemy at all. In recent years it is forced to do some activities that destabilize Pakistan. WHY?? Because it has now realised that it should play its enemy’s own dirty game to defeat it. This policy is necessary for its survival. Let Pakistan taste its own medicine.

3. Our Pakistani members post some highly biased articles that are based on various conspiracy theories and have no credibility at all and they feed their imaginations with it.
Why do you think that suddenly the entire world equates Pakistan with terror?? There must be some reasons behind it. Some of the world can be mad but the entire world cannot be mad. What do you people think??

4. Now-a-days our world is blessed with internet. Why can’t Pakistanis clear their doubt on various issues on the internet? Rather than posting illogical posts on PDF they can put internet on much better use by clearing their doubts on various conspiracy theories that sprout in their mind from a neutral source.

5. Pakistanis are a victim of general zia-ul-haq’s hate curriculum taught in their schools and madarsas. Your syllabus is filled with hateful and deterioratory remarks about india, hindus and Hinduism. You people have access to internet now. You should clear your doubts from a neutral source. Pakistani govt. has put the ban various sites for precisely this reason and not for the reasons given by them. They fear that the availability of truth will confuse their current generation and they will begin asking question over Pakistan govt.’s policies against india.


6. Pakistani’s are highly misinformed about india. Yes there is poverty , lack of clean drinking water, ****** toilets; but we are fast improving. You should see the UN report that india is removing poverty at a great speed. Our population is great that’s why number of poor looks great on papers but if you compare this stat in percentage of population then this figure is better explained.

7. Pakistanis easily speak foul about hindus and Hinduism. But they themselves turn blind eye on the current state of crises in islam. Teachings of islam are highly misinterpreted. These maulvis and mullas spread wrong interpretations of islam. They do not encourage to ask questions about islam. All the answer is “what if I am praying and I fart??” types of questions.


8. Pakistanis are obsessed with the Saudis and Turks. Have these nations stood along with you even once in times of need?? You talk about Chinese as your best mate. China is a shrewd country, it is only using you. You people are so blinded by these short term benefits that it is harming you in longer run. If Saudis are the leaders of islam then why don’t they lead the Islamic world in so called “holy war” ?? Why do they give charity to terror organisations and let poor and ignorant muslims die in this “holy war” and they themselves live comfortably in their cosy homes.

9. About this so called Kashmir problem, why don’t you people refer from a neutral source to know about the history of this problem and not your history books? The king was a hindu and majority of the population was muslim. This was the precise reason why he asked for time. Had he wanted to join india, he would have joined immediately and might not asked for time. Kashmir would have joined Pakistan eventually but Pakistanis were impatient, they sent armed group to forcefully annex Kashmir and this resulted in king of Kashmir to agree to join india. Had india wanted to annex Kashmir then she would have send its forces much before Pakistanis and you might not be able to illegally occupy parts of Kashmir. And if you people love your Kashmir so much then why give askai chin to china? And also why the issue of Kashmir not raised upto early 1980’s? Pakistan suddenly realised the power of proxy war and begin destabilizing india to check her growth. This is also the reason why Chinese support you. You people are doing their job.


10. Terrorism has become an “organised sector” in Pakistan just like service sector in india and manufacturing sector in china. All the poor, unemployed, brainwashed youth are send to fight “holy war”. life is so much cheap in pakistan.

11. People, especially young generation, of Kashmir , are unemployed and they don’t have a vision of future for themselves. That’s why , in frustration, they indulge in stuffs like stone pelting on security forces for a mere payment is 100 rupees. And when chance of employment comes the same people are seen standing in lines to join armed forces. Indian troops were forced to carry slow genocide to save Kashmir and rightly so. It meant that slowly kiss all the young men so that there is nobody left to protest. There is nothing wrong in this, every country does this. No point getting enraged.


12. Wake up Pakistanis, india is not your enemy. It just want the current state of Kashmir to be made permanent. It is not even asking to return pakistan occupied Kashmir. This issue is ony kept alive because it ensures smooth running of terror sector and some people fill their pockets with money and also ensures the importance of the army is always there and they get more money out of budget.

13. Muslims have no right to abuse any religion for they shall be abused in return.


14. Islam is a barbaric religion. Teachings of islam spread intolerance.

15. The shadow of satanic religion of islam has covered the entire world. The world is truly standing on the brink of war against the evil of islam.


16. Muslims cannot be a part of civil society. They want to cut themselves from the mainstreams. That's why they want to carve out a separate nation from every nation.

17. Pakistan was created only because of the greed of power by muslim leaders and also by Jinnah. There was absolutely no other reason. Nehru war the mass leader and post of prime minister was to be offered to him and not Jinnah. Jinnah sensed this and together along with other religious groups he put forward the demand of creation of state of Pakistan.


18. Pakistan must realise that mixing religion with everything is harming them. Religion should be left alone for personal lives and not with general matters because practical approach is much better in handling them.

WAKE UP PAKISTANIS. YOU HAVE LONG KEPT YOUR EYES CLOSED FOR TRUTH. NOW THE TIME IS HIGH TO OPEN YOUR EYES AND EMBRACE THE TRUTH FOR YOUR COUNTRY IS SELF EMPLODING.
WAKE UP!!!

bye bye just reported u

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Some times people have no common sense, lets's look at this in a logical way. Why would Pakistan support terrorist's who are causing havoc in Pakistan, and as a result hundreds of suicide attacks have occurred, killing thousands of civilians.

Pakistan is not playing any form of a double game, in fact we have been honest in fighting terrorists , unlike the United States who have locked themselves up in Kabul, and don't have the guts to take on the enemy full on.........bunch of coward's .......all they do is talk.

Read what zardari says.see the link in my previous post.

 

[Pakistani_Regiment]

bye bye just reported u

i think all the mods are in afghanistan eating india's lunch. it might take them a while.

 

[GreenStar]

Read what zardari says.see the link in my previous post

I have read what Zardari said.......what's your point, it's a known fact that America supported these militants them selves, however like Zardari said these Militants were hero's yesteryears, however we don't support them now, otherwise, why is there bombs going off Pakistan.

 

[GreenStar]

Before you question Pakistan maybe you should question your own goverment. Don't you find it strange that if Pakistan is sponsoring terrorism, then why the hell is there bombing's going off in Pakistan. Furthermore who is funding these groups, can't be ISI because there indoctrination is protecting Pakistan.

Clearly India is involved in destablizing Pakistan, otherwise why would the Militants who we supported by us in the past attack us, it makes no sense. So my Indian friend I suggets you go to your head of state and question him.....why is India playing a double game.

 

[SMC]

It's not me simply saying. Read the reports about wikileaks and in the past your president zardari accepted pakistans supported terrorists for short term gains.

Mate, I am afraid to say this but you're choosing to keep your head buried in the sand despite the same thing being repeated again and again.

1)
The Intelligence in the report comes from Afghan intelligence. It is heavily influenced by the indians.

A lot of it is hearsey, i.e. this person told me that another person told that person that another person told that person that.. etc.

It is raw and unverified.

Most of all, intelligence reports by themselves is not proof.

2)

Your argument is that you're not the only one saying it. Implicitly, you're implying that since many people are saying the same thing, it is true. Now here's something I recommend you to check out: Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On top of that, the people who are saying your tone have interests in this. It suits their interests to blame Pakistan.

Note that neither you, nor them, have provided any proof.

They still have to provide proof to prove that Pakistan is doing what they say Pakistan is doing. Merely some westerners and Indians believing something to be true does not make it to be true nor will it be taken seriously by us if you don't show any proof.

3)

As far as Zardari is concerned. He is speaking about the past. I would like to talk more on his credibility but the fact that he's talking about the past should be enough.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Maybe you have not read history properly, but you do know the terrorists in which he is referring to our the Mujahideen, that fought against the Soviets during the 80s. This is the same group that America funded and supported against the Soviets.

Yes we did support this group, and we were right to do so at the time, as the Soviets were taking over Afghanistan, and strategically this had to be prevented, because of the relationship India had with Russia at the time........we could not afford to have two enemy's on either side of our border.

Futhermore we have stopped funding these groups a long time ago, as Pakistan has gained no benifit.

zardari said, todays terrorists were hero's untill 9/11. That means untill then they were getting support until then, even stopping of support after 9/11 also is questionable.
several sources like CIA, WIKIKEAKS,SEVERAL US OFFICIALS etc are pointing finger at pakistans double game . One or two sources can be wrong but how come when several sources, reports, confessions,opinions, from all around the world will go wrong ??

 

[mjnaushad]

zardari said, todays terrorists were hero's untill 9/11. That means untill then they were getting support until then, even stopping of support after 9/11 also is questionable.
several sources like CIA, WIKIKEAKS,SEVERAL US OFFICIALS etc are pointing finger at pakistans double game . One or two sources can be wrong but how come when several sources, reports, confessions,opinions, from all around the world will go wrong ??

Just pointing fingers.......Proof something and we'll take actions.....Its just cheap tactics to hide own failure....And as far Wikileaks are concerned....most of those reports are based on Afghan intelligence allegations.....And people here are getting happy on those...Pathetic ..what else can i say...

BTW Even US made several videos on strugle of Mujahideen ....They were Hero to them too...And taliban are the same mujahideen.....So it means someone in US also helped them in doing 9/11 according to your theory.

 

[Pakistani_Regiment]

Biden: Pakistan spy agency 'changing' on Afghanistan

(AFP) – 4 hours ago

WASHINGTON — US Vice President Joe Biden said in an interview aired Thursday that Pakistan's intelligence agency was "changing" in its behavior towards Afghanistan, following leaked claims it aided extremists.

Biden downplayed documents which suggested that between 2004 and 2009, elements of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), armed, trained and financed the Taliban despite Islamabad's anti-terror alliance with Washington.

"I'm getting very close to what I shouldn't be talking about in terms of classification," said Biden on NBC's "Today" show.

"But what was talked about in those leaks were the intelligence community within the ISI. That is the sort of the CIA of Pakistan. That has been a problem in the past. It is a problem we're dealing with and is changing."

Pakistan has denounced the leak of the secret files on the Afghan war as "irresponsible" and said it was committed to fighting extremists alongside the United States, and some Pakistani analysts said the documents were out of date.

Biden argued that documents leaked by the web whistleblower Wikileaks, published by three news organizations on Sunday, predate the new US Afghan policy announced by President Barack Obama in December.

"There are not monies being diverted from the public works and economic projects that are needed to sustain a democracy in Pakistan to the bad guys that exist within Pakistan," he said.

"There's not money being diverted from the military purposes that are designed to deal with counter-terrorism to those areas."

AFP: Biden: Pakistan spy agency 'changing' on Afghanistan

 

[GreenStar]

zardari said, todays terrorists were hero's untill 9/11. That means untill then they were getting support until then, even stopping of support after 9/11 also is questionable.
several sources like CIA, WIKIKEAKS,SEVERAL US OFFICIALS etc are pointing finger at pakistans double game . One or two sources can be wrong but how come when several sources, reports, confessions,opinions, from all around the world will go wrong ??

Did you not read my post properly, of course they were hero's at the time what do you expect, these same people brought the once mighty Soviet empire to it's knees. Unlike the Americans who left........ we stayed and tried to help these people.

We did support the Taliban simply because it's common sense....... if you look at it strategically we could not have a rogue element go against Pakistan in it's backyard, so we tried to co-exist with them.

Anyway what did India do when the Soviets were defeated, name me one thing..........the only thing you did was jackshit............so before you question Pakistan's committment, you should question your own.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Wow Wiki Leaks. What a way to cover and back off from a defeat .. I gues its diliberate attempt by some individuals to rise the global opposition to war in Afghanistan.. !!!
They say it will put lives at risk , i say it will probably save a few as this war will finally come to an end.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

I am glad that ISI is working day and night to--. Moreover, ISI is the scape goat for many and I personally recommend Pakistan Army to give a s h i t about the reports and keep on working! We will succeed very soon and if not than it is good to die with your heads up!

 

[Usama86]

This is what Gen Hameed Gul says about the wikileaks and general situation in Afghanastan and the region. An interesting point of view.