Why U.S., China Destined to Clash

[Holmes]

Um... China would really need India to be with them, if we want to wipe out western forces.

Oh and White superiority is utter BS.

 

[shuttler]

You mean like this?

China's Money-Printing Addiction Could Spell Disaster - Business Insider

Of course as defensive measures to help keep the fllood of money from your printing machines away from much harm. And your consumers have long been benefitting from our value for money products!

 

[Raphael]

I really wish someone could dig up some biographical data on Minxin Pei. What is his agenda? Is he a patriot, and believes that pointing out criticism is the best way to help? Or is he a Gordan Chang -style hanjian?

 

[shuttler]

I really wish someone could dig up some biographical data on Minxin Pei. What is his agenda? Is he a patriot, and believes that pointing out criticism is the best way to help? Or is he a Gordan Chang -style hanjian?

He is a professor of Government and the Director of the Keck Center for International and Strategic Studies at Claremont McKenna College in CA.. He is indeed a very outspoken China basher. Gordon Chang is S Korean. They are at odds with most if not all of the Chinese Policies.

There are many 'hanjian': more than you can imagine.

Minxin Pei Bio

 

[Raphael]

Haha, Gordon Chang isn't Korean, he's half Chinese:

Gordon Chang's Story of Belonging - YouTube

His father is from Jiangsu province but immigrated to the USA. Gordon Chang's problems can be entirely explained by psychology. He has a weak sense of identity, he was bullied and harassed during a time when anti-Asian discrimination in the USA was much more severe. He wanted to fully subsume himself into his mother's white identity and renounce his Chinese side to avoid racism, but of course that's not genetically possible.

It's a shame that he decided to spread propaganda instead of seeing a psychologist to deal with his mental problems, but oh well.

 

[shuttler]

^Rafa: I thought Chang is Korean all along. I have seen too many of these "bananas". When you have an upbringing like Chang, he has already renounciated his heritage and gotten all the negatives about China and from my perspective looking at him he is just totally brainwashed.

Do you know the great 钱学森?

Qian Xuesen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Raphael]

Yes, I'm a big fan. He had the advantage of being racially pure so he didn't have to struggle with identity issues. But I'm sure he was also mentally resilient. For example, Barack Obama is biracial and struggled with identity issues for a long time (read Dreams of My Father), but he turned out very accomplished, not a lunatic like Gordon Chang. The only thing Chang proves is mental weakness + hostile environment = insanity

 

[sexy gun]

The current status quo benefits China the MOST.

No other major country is growing at 9-10% per year (don't bother with India, their growth rate just fell to 6.1%). And we are already the second largest economy to start with.

The current world order is annoying, but it serves our interests for now, and it will continue to do so for the immediate future.

Have an experience of more than 10,000 posts still can't get basic facts right.

LOL. This is what we call as CSA ( chronic selective amnesia )


China itself has downgraded its future growth rate in 2012 to only 7.5 % from earlier estimates of 8%

Check the below links :

China growth gliding lower, hard landing risks ease | Reuters
Wen Cuts 2012 Target for China's Growth - WSJ.com
Reuters Today: China cuts 2012 GDP growth forecast to 7.5% | Video | Reuters.com
China's Growth Outlook Lowered - International Business Times
China’s growth forecast chills commodity markets - The Globe and Mail

While the 6.1% growth was for a single quarter. The YoY (year on year) GDP growth for 2011 for India will still be 7%

India's GDP growth rate to slip below 7%: Moody's - Economic Times

CRISIL research cuts 2011-12 GDP growth to 7% - Times Of India

Business Line : Industry & Economy / Economy : Fitch Ratings trims FY12 India GDP forecast to 7%

The Hindu : Business News : Centre scales down GDP growth forecast to 7.5 %

 

[lem34]

I really don't know why there is a surprise after all empires when they pass the baton always clash. America on the way down and China on the way up. Even the Americans just before the second world war were preparing to clash with Brits and had it not been for Hitler and the second world war where UK deflated there would have been a clash.

How America planned to destroy BRITAIN in 1930 with bombing raids and chemical weapons | Mail Online

 

[shuttler]

Yes, I'm a big fan. He had the advantage of being racially pure so he didn't have to struggle with identity issues. But I'm sure he was also mentally resilient. For example, Barack Obama is biracial and struggled with identity issues for a long time (read Dreams of My Father), but he turned out very accomplished, not a lunatic like Gordon Chang. The only thing Chang proves is mental weakness + hostile environment = insanity

Yes, I agree the cases are different between Qian and Chang. But in respect of Pei who has spent a good deal of his adulthood in China but has become so radical - may be due to some unpleasant experience he had living in China. Well we are veering a bit off topic anyway.

Qian is one of the bedrocks of China. We are thankful during the turmoil era we have had enough of these National Heroes who have cemented our Country into a solid piece of foundation for the coming generations to build on! Great Respect to these Heroes of our lian dan yi xing

 

[gpit]

This article is a complete bullsh!t.

Read this cr@p:
“the persistence of one-party rule in China, not American desire for containment of a rising power, is the fundamental obstacle to an enduring cooperative and friendly Sino-American relationship for the foreseeable future,”



The author conveniently forget that it is precisely the persistence of one party rule interplayed with grass-root driven democracy, plus the hard work of the people encouraged by the persistence of one party, that totally transforms China, that makes Sino-US relationship better than ever since WWII.

Like one cause to earlier boom in US, China wisely follows its own modern version of Monroe Doctrine. (which makes a lot of uneducated Indians/Vietnamese in PDF whine that China only talks but does nothing. ) On the contrary, missionary urgency typically attached to monotheism added with the capability to act, US ideologists launch waves after waves of crusade to impose its own model upon to the others.

If the US politicians ignore the fact that US have already entertained lots communist elements at home, and stick to ideological purity (which has never been the case in USA), the US will unquestionably maintain its development in a current leveling off status, dissipating energy within and without, and wait for China to keep enjoying its rise.

Sino-US relationship is currently a win-win situation. Anyone may argue whose win is bigger. But a clash of the two is absolutely lose-lose to both US and China.

Guess what? I suspect the author is a communist spy from China to undermine US interest, as Connie Chung once put in her infamous 1994 CBS talk.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Another line from US Press 15 years ago about China....

"Communism was an anomaly for these people that invented paper money, the dynamism of the Chinese people BLah, blah, blah"

Now, it's communist China this and communist China that in the US Press. I'm pretty sure China didn't go back to communism, but you would think so from US Press.

what you say is usually a projection of who you are.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

If clash means in the sense a military clash i really doubt US and China are worlds largest economies highly dependent on each other. If there will be war between these two giants it will not only sink them but will also sink world economy.

Both were smart enough to realize the consequences of military conflict between them, so they don't let the military conflict occurs. But between them "destined" to other "clash"...

 

[gambit]

Of course as defensive measures to help keep the fllood of money from your printing machines away from much harm. And your consumers have long been benefitting from our value for money products!

Give US a break. China's economic growth came to be from two main items: American consumers and China's currency manipulations.

It is easy to produce but unless you have a demand for your products and labor you will have labored in vain. Decades of communist economic incompetency made the Chinese even more averse to spending, hence consuming, and drove them to be even better savers. However...

Ask Marilyn - Sunday's Column - November 20, 2011 | Parade.com

Economic growth refers to escalating productive transactions from the use of natural resources, technology development, labor, etc.

Savers do not escalate economic activities. Savers do not take risks with their wealth. No risks, no creativity and therefore no economic growth.

But thank whatever god or gods there may be in heaven, the American consumers came to China's rescue from economic collapse the way the Soviet empire did. American consumers demand and are willing to spend for what they demand. American entrepreneurs and venture capitalists take risks on new ideas that created new products and new services. We did it in America and we exported that attitude to China. Companion to this is China's currency manipulations to keep China's cost of doing business artificially low as admitted by China's own leadership.

The truth is that it is far easier for US to become even more powerful manufacturer than it is for one billion plus Chinese to change themselves from savers to spenders, and therefore economic drivers. Your leadership know this vulnerability for China.

 

[longyi]

The products that Americans spend on that made in China are mostly low end daily necessities like apparels and household needs. It benefits America more than China. Without these supplies from Chinese, a pair of dungaree would cost three times as much compare to 30 years ago. That same pair of dungaree now only cost a little more for the same time span.