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Why they hate China

How gruesome.

Try going back in history and see who are the real historical robbers!
 
China own its own and unique history and situation, there is no universe doctorine of so called democracy or any other issues. Some westerners always are used to apply their thoughts to others, so much examples,isn't it?
But haw many of them succeed? Iraq, Afcanistan, and Iran?
It's really ironic when those contries shouting at other countries what to do while their own society being degrading.
Concerning the party of the power, it is pointless to debate what should be right, but it's really important to know which one can bring interests to their people. Communist can strengthen china , prevent chinese from be robbed and inhumiliated from your westerners, isn't it? You can never invade China's land now, yes? You have done so much in history,yes?
So we believe in it, Communist party who have bring us bread, strength and dignity. Why should we trust you, historical robbers?
You haven't feel shame when you ponit this or that to a country, a culture which you have insulted?

Dear Pingfeng

Calling westerners bad just to prove yourself good is foolish way to justify your present evil deeds.
No one hates China , but yes they dislike hatred which Chinese communist show towards Poor Tibetans and its own country men ( for eg Tiananmen Square)
yes every country has right to choose their Political system . if China Selects Communism then be it .but have they been given any option ??
Every government strengthens its Country , prevent nations from being robbed and humiliated . Its only foolish to believe that only COmmunist can do it .

Trust human consciousness not anyone else .. but may be, as Communist say "humanity has no soul" .. have they snatched yours ?
 
How gruesome.

Try going back in history and see who are the real historical robbers!

Yes they cant see their own act of robbery .. and they justify their present act of robbery by showing others their past robbery . while others have learned and reformed they are still stuck in the pond of narrowness.
 
Dear Pingfeng

Calling westerners bad just to prove yourself good is foolish way to justify your present evil deeds.
No one hates China , but yes they dislike hatred which Chinese communist show towards Poor Tibetans and its own country men ( for eg Tiananmen Square)

Ohh please, look who's talking. A person belonging to a country that has suppressed Kashmir which by the way wasnt even a part of the indian terrority and is occupied for the last sixty years, is talking about human rights of poor Tibetans. Dont you guys have some shame at all, atleast have a little bit of it, it wont hurt. What kind of hypocrisy is this?:disagree: At one end you guys are shouting at the top of your voice for the so called human rights violation in Tibet just to give china a bad name specially when olympics are to be hosted in china and on the other hand are suppressing the Kashmiri peoples right of self determination for the last sixty years. This is HYPOCRISY at its best.:angry:
 
The point is whether democracy or communisim, it is the internal matter of the china and the way the chinese people see it best should be done not what US or anyother european country wants

Yes, agreed it is the internal matter of CHINA, but howver you are completely off the mark when you claim that "Chinese people see it best" . When was the last time they were allowed to do exactly that.If communism was so successfull and tha CCP is so confident why not allow free and fair elections.

The double standards of US are known to all. They like to far cry about democracy in countires like china and pakistan, while on the other hand are supporting dictator ship in Egypt, while rejecting a democraticly elected Hamas in Palestine because it did not served the US interests in the region.

Yes, they did it and it was in their interest to do so, maybe they may even go for propaganda againt China and it is in their interest to do so. But where US stands out is that in they are a true example of democracy, freedom and values when it comes to their country, why should they care about palestine or China , if you are so worried do something about it rather then rabble rouse.

US is not defined by its foreign policy alone, it is the sum of all factors American that makes it unique and a magnet for every kind of people all over the world either as a centre of learning or settlement, can any other nation repeat that feat.

The article holds so true, US should leave first the parts of Mexico and give them their freedom and make an example and then tell others to follow it or keep the white *** shut for good

You seem to be so pissd of abut the US, I am sure there are many people with similar thaought, why dont they do something about it rather then rabble about it.

China is a new emerging power and no matter what US or others(india) do, you cant hold the chinese down. Its indeed a dawn of a new beginning .

Let us see, only histroy is proof.

chinese people will decide how they would like to start and not the west.

Exactly the are never allowed to decide as CCP makes all the decision for them
 
ITS, better that ! it should be made clear that every country of this world, doesnt need DEMOCRACY, which was defined by WEST AND THIER ALLIES AS a system of govt. and CHINA has all the rights in that respect?

WE, can see the dictated DEMOCRACY in pakistan was implimented and the situation is growing to become worse????

CHINA is going well, that is the reason which is making , WEST + USA worried about thier economic, political, and defence DOMINANCE OVER asia, thats why they dont lose any chance to lanch or at least try to defame CHINA as last remaining THERAT to the world, just be cause of thier way of govrence..... the CUMMUNISM?

long live, CUMMUNIST PARTY , LONG LIVE C H I N A:china::sniper::usflag:
 
Yes, agreed it is the internal matter of CHINA, but howver you are completely off the mark when you claim that "Chinese people see it best" . When was the last time they were allowed to do exactly that.If communism was so successfull and tha CCP is so confident why not allow free and fair elections.

Its not for you or me to decide a free and fair election to happen in china,its their internal matter and people are happy about it. Why i say so, ask any chinese here.



Yes, they did it and it was in their interest to do so, maybe they may even go for propaganda againt China and it is in their interest to do so. But where US stands out is that in they are a true example of democracy, freedom and values when it comes to their country, why should they care about palestine or China , if you are so worried do something about it rather then rabble rouse.

They might be a true example of democracy, that does not mean they start preaching the whole world their style system. Every country has the right to choose what it better for them, be it military, communism or democracy.China has comed this far with communism being their sole guardian and have progressed so well that it has amazed the whole world, do you think if people were not happy with the system, china would have come this far where it is now.



You seem to be so pissd of abut the US, I am sure there are many people with similar thaought, why dont they do something about it rather then rabble about it.

I dont know what you are suggesting by doing something, its a forum where we discuss our point of view and that is exactly what i am doing as well, as far as me being pissed it concerned, as matter of fact i am why because of the double standards of the US supporting dictatorship at one end and giving the rest of us lectures about democracy. We being effected the most.



Let us see, only histroy is proof.

You need to have a reality check here before making such claims about only history being the proof. China is way head of india least to be said.



Exactly the are never allowed to decide as CCP makes all the decision for them

And how exactly did you come to this consclusion. Let me ask you, are you a chinese citizen? Or just because DI-Liama or whoever he is said so. Again a reality check for you if the people of china were not happy from the system, let me assure you china would never have been at the place that it is now.
 
Ohh please, look who's talking. A person belonging to a country that has suppressed Kashmir which by the way wasnt even a part of the indian terrority and is occupied for the last sixty years, is talking about human rights of poor Tibetans. Dont you guys have some shame at all, atleast have a little bit of it, it wont hurt. What kind of hypocrisy is this?:disagree: At one end you guys are shouting at the top of your voice for the so called human rights violation in Tibet just to give china a bad name specially when olympics are to be hosted in china and on the other hand are suppressing the Kashmiri peoples right of self determination for the last sixty years. This is HYPOCRISY at its best.:angry:

There have been elections and that have been seen by international journalists and diplomats.

Dissent and political parties are allowed.

Foreign journalists and foreign tourists abound!

We have nothing to hide!

Democratic institutions are in existence.

And that of China?

Kashmir joined India and so who says it is not a part of India?

What is there to feel shameful about?

India did not attack Kashmir.

China invaded Tibet in 1950.

Get the difference?
 
A Chronology of Tibetan History

602 Namri Songtsen, lord of Yarlung, becomes the first king of Tibet.
620-49 Reign of King Songsten Gampo; Tibet grows into an empire.
670 Prolonged warfare between Tibet and Tang China begins.
763 Tibet captures Changan, the Tang capital; tribute paid to Tibet. Tibetan king invites Buddhist teachers from India and China.
792 Exponents of Indian and Chinese Buddhism debate at Samye monastery.
821 China-Tibet Peace Treaty: "Tibetans shall be happy in Tibet and Chinese shall be happy in China".
842 King Langdarma assassinated; Tibet splits into several states.
1073 Sakya monastery founded; start of Red Hat sect of Tibetan Buddhism.
1206 Chingis Khan elected first ruler of united Mongol clans.
1234 Mongols led by Ogodai Khagan defeat Junchen and conquer north China.
1247 Grand Lama of Sakya submits to Mongols; beginning of priest/patron relationship between lama and khan.
1261 Tibet reunited with the Grand Lama of Sakya as king.
1279 Final defeat of Sung by Mongols; Mongol conquest of China complete.
1350 King Changchub Gyaltsen ousts Sakya and founds a new secular dynasty.
1368 China regains its independence from the Mongols under Ming dynasty.
1409 Tibetan monk Tsongkhapa founds the Gelugpa (or Yellow Hat) sect.
1578 Gelugpa leader receives the title of "Dalai Lama" from Altan Khan.
1640 Gushri Khan, leader of Qoshot Mongols, invades and conquers Tibet.
1642 Gushri Khan enthrones the 5th Dalai Lama as temporal ruler of Tibet.
1644 Manchu overthrow Ming, conquer China, and establish the Qing dynasty.
1653 "Great Fifth" Dalai Lama meets Qing Emperor Shunzhi near Beijing.
1682 Fifth Dalai Lama dies; death is concealed for the next 14 years.
1717 Dzungar Mongols invade Tibet and sack Lhasa; 5th DL's tomb looted.
1720 Qing forces drive out Dzungars and install Kesang Gyatso as 7th DL.
1721 Qing emperor declares Tibet a tributary state; first Ambans sent.
1724 A Qing territorial government is created for Kokonor (Amdo).
1792 Qing troops enter Tibet to drive out Gorkha (Nepalese) invaders. A ban on visitation by non-Chinese foreigners is imposed.
1854-56 Nepal defeats Tibet; peace treaty requires Tibet to pay tribute.
1904 British troops under Colonel Younghusband enter Tibet & occupy Lhasa.
1910-12 A Qing army led by General Zhao Erfeng invades and occupies Tibet.
1911 The Urga Living Buddha proclaims the independence of Mongolia.
1912 Last Qing emperor abdicates; Republic of China claims Mongolia, Tibet.
1913 Dalai Lama proclaims Tibet independent; paper money and coins issued.
Mongolia and Tibet conclude a treaty of mutual recognition.
1914 Britain and Tibet agree to McMahon Line in a treaty signed in Simla.
1915 Three way treaty between Russia, China, and Mongolia signed at Khiakta.
1918 Tibetan army, led by British-trained officers, defeats Chinese army.
Tibet and China sign a peace treaty; China refuses to ratify treaty.
1919-21 Mongolia occupied by a pro-Japanese faction of the Chinese army.
1921 Ungern Sternberg's White Russians oust Chinese and conquer Mongolia.
Soviet army and pro-Soviet Mongols drive Whitesout of Mongolia.
1921 Soviets recognise Mongolia with Living Buddha restored as monarch.
1924 Mongolian People's Republic proclaimed; Urga is renamed Ulan Bator.
1928 Chiang Kaishek defeats the northern warlords and reunites China.
1931 Tibet gains territory in fighting with China; truce is signed.
1933 13th Dalai Lama dies; Reting Rimpoche selected as Tibetan regent.
1937 Britain publishes Simla Convention and begins enforcing McMahon Line.
1940 14th Dalai Lama is enthroned; Chinese delegation attends ceremony.
1941 Unable to keep vow of celibacy, Reting is replaced as regent by Taktra; the two secretly agree to rotate office between them.
1943 Britain affirms that Tibet is "already self-governing and determined to retain [its] independence".
1946 The Republic of China recognises the Mongolian People's Republic.
1947 British mission in Lhasa transferred to a newly independent India. Reting is arrested for plotting to assassinate Regent Taktra. Former Regent Reting dies in prison, apparently poisoned.
1947-49 Tibetan Trade Mission travels to India, Britain, U.S., and China; the mission is received by the British Prime Minister Attlee.
1949 People's Republic of China is proclaimed by Chinese Communist Party. New Chinese government affirms recognition of Mongolia.
1950 Red China invades Tibet; Tibetan army destroyed in battle at Chamdo.
1951 17 Point Agreement between China and Tibet; Chinese occupy Lhasa.
1955 Kham is detached from Tibet and administered directly by the CCP
1956 Tibetans in Kham and Qinghai (Amdo) begin revolt against CCP rule.
1957 The United States begins to arm the Tibetan resistance via CIA.
1959 Anti-Chinese revolt spreads to Lhasa; 14th Dalai Lama flees to India.
1960 A report by the International Commission of Jurists concludes that,"acts of genocide [have] been committed in Tibet in an attempt to destroy the Tibetans as a religious group."
1962 China-India War: China advances beyond McMahon Line, then withdraws.
1963 The Tibetan Government-in-Exile writes a democratic constitution for a future liberated Tibet.
1965 China sets up Tibet Autonomous Region in U'Tsang and western Kham.
1966-69 Cultural Revolution: Red Guards rampage destroys most Tibetan temples.
1969 Fighting among Red Guard factions; PLA intervenes to restore order.
1971 The United States cuts off military aid to the Tibetan resistance.
1974 Nepal forces the Tibetan resistance to leave its base in Mustang.
1979 China allows delegation from Government-in-exileto visit Tibet.
1980 CCP General Secretary Hu Yaobang visits Tibet and promises to "restore the Tibetan economy to its pre-1959 level."
1982 Solzhenitsyn calls the CCP regime in Tibet "more brutal and inhuman than any other communist regime in the world."
1987 Police fire on a massive pro-independence demonstration in Lhasa.
1988 Qiao Shi, China's security chief, visits Tibet and vows to "adopt a policy of merciless repression".
Speaking in Strasbourg, the Dalai Lama makes a "five point" peace plan for a Tibet within China.
1989 Dalai Lama receives Nobel Peace Prize; martial law imposed in Tibet.
1992 China declares Tibet "open" to foreign investment.
Chen Kuiyuan is named CCP leader for Tibet and calls for a purge of those party members who "act as internal agents of the Dalai Lama clique".
1993 Residents of Lhasa protest against price increases and the charging of fees for formally free medical services.
1994 Potala Palace, DL's traditional residence, is restored and reopened.
1995 China denounces the six-year old boy recognised by the Dalai Lama as the 11th Panchen Lama, and imposes its own candidate.
1996 China bans the displaying of photographs of the Dalai Lama.
 
ITS, better that ! it should be made clear that every country of this world, doesnt need DEMOCRACY, which was defined by WEST AND THIER ALLIES AS a system of govt. and CHINA has all the rights in that respect?

WE, can see the dictated DEMOCRACY in pakistan was implimented and the situation is growing to become worse????

So why was the clamour for democracy in Pakistan endorsed by the majority of Pakistanis?

Are you suggesting that they are having intelligence and brains deficit?

Support China for all you care, but don't insult your fellow countrymen!

That is, if you are indeed a Pakistani. Your flag indicates some other country.

In case you live in a democracy and you feel dictatorship is the greatest thing that could happen, why do you live in a democratic country?

The have your cake and eat it too type?

If that democracy is all that bad, why don't you go to a country where there is a dictatorship.
 
Its not for you or me to decide a free and fair election to happen in china,its their internal matter and people are happy about it. Why i say so, ask any chinese here.

People are happy about? and how sir can you say that, when nearly three genrations have never tasted freedon in order for them to compare in the first place. I ask you again, ommunism is a form of economic and political policy, if the communists there are so proud let them get elected and then implement the policies.

Ask any Chinese here? No, thanx I dont prefer the view of those internet fanboys, I respect you opinion more then them because you are trained to think freely and thy are not.

They might be a true example of democracy, that does not mean they start preaching the whole world their style system. Every country has the right to choose what it better for them, be it military, communism or democracy.China has comed this far with communism being their sole guardian and have progressed so well that it has amazed the whole world, do you think if people were not happy with the system, china would have come this far where it is now.
They preach the world and follow double standards and are doing it in their interest, just like it is in Pakistans interest not ot have Karzai in power.
Communism has not brought them where they are, it is the free market capitalism that has bought them to where they are now, a free market capitalism, something set by the western free world. Rea about their seconomic conditions bfore and after Deng Xiopeng.

I dont know what you are suggesting by doing something, its a forum where we discuss our point of view and that is exactly what i am doing as well, as far as me being pissed it concerned, as matter of fact i am why because of the double standards of the US supporting dictatorship at one end and giving the rest of us lectures about democracy. We being effected the most.

My friend every country has its faults and every one are not saints to accept that. What I men here was if US is so bad and if so many of you are affected by it then why dont you boycott the standrds they gave to the world, be it culturally, politically ,economically , scientifically. Why do you allow them to ride on you, what stopped you from becomig like them.

You need to have a reality check here before making such claims about only history being the proof. China is way head of india least to be said.

Ahead of what exactly, mere numbers i guess. We may be slow because we started off a good decade late in reforming, yet our China does not come close to our microeconomic institutins, we are buliding institutions that last and building brands, we have a very strong internal market better than China and are not merely growing based on outsourced exports but building instituions and businesses that export with their own brands.

You tend to grossly underestimate the power of US and its achievements, China may accumulate dollars and may lead exports but it will take them pretty long time to catch up with US let alone building institutions and business like them.

And how exactly did you come to this consclusion. Let me ask you, are you a chinese citizen? Or just because DI-Liama or whoever he is said so. Again a reality check for you if the people of china were not happy from the system, let me assure you china would never have been at the place that it is now

The worl says so. If the peole are happy allow them to chart their destiny rather then CCP telling them what o do.
 
Its not for you or me to decide a free and fair election to happen in china,its their internal matter and people are happy about it. Why i say so, ask any chinese here.





They might be a true example of democracy, that does not mean they start preaching the whole world their style system. Every country has the right to choose what it better for them, be it military, communism or democracy.China has comed this far with communism being their sole guardian and have progressed so well that it has amazed the whole world, do you think if people were not happy with the system, china would have come this far where it is now.





I dont know what you are suggesting by doing something, its a forum where we discuss our point of view and that is exactly what i am doing as well, as far as me being pissed it concerned, as matter of fact i am why because of the double standards of the US supporting dictatorship at one end and giving the rest of us lectures about democracy. We being effected the most.





You need to have a reality check here before making such claims about only history being the proof. China is way head of india least to be said.





And how exactly did you come to this consclusion. Let me ask you, are you a chinese citizen? Or just because DI-Liama or whoever he is said so. Again a reality check for you if the people of china were not happy from the system, let me assure you china would never have been at the place that it is now.

Is public protest allowed in China? If not how are you so sure?

Tienanmen Square.

Heard of it?

It was seen by foreigners and foreign journalists and so could not be hidden.

How are you so sure that there are no protests that are not there in China?

Does a totalitarian regime allow free press?

If there are no protests in China, how come the foreign journalist and tourists are not allowed any more in Tibet? What about Xinjiang?

Even if they are trying to control the Tibetans, if they are doing it as per rules and without repression and brutality, why feel scared to allow foreign journalists and tourists?

Obviously it is not being done in a humane way.

If the US has double standards, they why take their help?
 
Kashmir joined India and so who says it is not a part of India?India did not attack Kashmir.
is that why india doesn't hold a plebiscite? is that why most kashmiri's are protesting for their right of self-determination? india lost out to the hearts of kashmiri's long time ago, they want to be independent.
 
Salim,

1904 British troops under Colonel Younghusband enter Tibet & occupy Lhasa.
1910-12 A Qing army led by General Zhao Erfeng invades and occupies Tibet.

Nice wording you put in there, quit your hypocrisy!:devil:
 

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