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Why the U.S. will end up losing its trade war with China
Sep. 24, 2018 | 12:10 AM

Anatole Kaletsky

The United States cannot win its tariff war with China, regardless of what President Donald Trump says or does in the coming months. Trump believes that he has the upper hand in this conflict because the U.S. economy is so strong, and also because politicians of both parties support the strategic objective of thwarting China’s rise and preserving U.S. global dominance.

But, ironically, this apparent strength is Trump’s fatal weakness. By applying the martial arts principle of turning an opponent’s strength against him, China should easily win the tariff contest, or at least fight Trump to a draw.

Economists since David Ricardo have argued that restricting imports reduces consumer welfare and impedes productivity growth. But that is not the main reason why Trump will be forced to back down in the trade war. In handicapping the U.S.-China conflict, another economic principle – rarely used to explain the futility of Trump’s tariff threats – is much more important than Ricardo’s concept of comparative advantage: Keynesian demand management.

Comparative advantage certainly influences long-term economic welfare, but demand conditions will determine whether China or America feels more pressure to sue for trade peace in the next few months. And a focus on demand management clearly reveals that the U.S. will suffer from Trump’s tariffs, while China can avoid any adverse effects.

From a Keynesian perspective, the outcome of a trade war depends mainly on whether the combatants are experiencing recession or excess demand. In a recession, tariffs can boost economic activity and employment, albeit at the cost of long-term efficiency. But when an economy is operating at or near its maximum capacity, tariffs will merely raise prices and add to the upward pressure on U.S. interest rates. This clearly applies to the U.S. economy today.

U.S. businesses could not, in aggregate, find extra low-wage workers to replace Chinese imports, and even the few U.S. businesses motivated by tariffs to undercut Chinese imports would need to raise wages and build new factories, adding to the upward pressure on inflation and interest rates. With little spare capacity available, the new investment and hiring required to replace Chinese goods would be at the cost of other business decisions that were more profitable before the tariff war with China. So, unless U.S. businesses are sure the tariffs will continue for many years, they will neither invest nor hire new workers to compete with China.

Assuming that well-informed Chinese businesses know this, they will not cut their export prices to absorb the cost of U.S. tariffs. That will leave U.S. importers to pay the tariffs and pass on the cost to U.S. consumers (further fueling inflation) or to U.S. shareholders through lower profits.

Thus, the tariffs will not be “punitive” for China, as Trump seems to believe. Instead, the main effect will be to hurt U.S. consumers and businesses, just like an increase in sales tax.

But let us concede that the tariffs may price some Chinese goods out of the U.S. market. Where will the competitively priced imports that undercut China come from?

In most cases, the answer will be other emerging economies. Some low-end goods such as shoes and toys will be sourced from Vietnam or India. Final assembly of some electronic and industrial machinery may relocate to South Korea or Mexico. A few Japanese and European suppliers may displace high-end Chinese suppliers.

Thus, to the very limited extent that tariffs do prove “punitive” for China, the effect on other emerging markets and the global economy will not be damaging “contagion” but a modest boost to demand that results from displacing Chinese exports to the U.S.

True, Chinese exporters may experience modest losses as other producers take advantage of the U.S. tariffs to undercut them. But this should have no effect on Chinese growth, employment, or corporate profits if demand management is used to offset the loss of exports. The Chinese government has already started to boost domestic consumption and investment by easing monetary policy and cutting taxes.

But China’s stimulus measures have so far been cautious, as they should be considering the negligible impact that U.S. tariffs have had on Chinese exports. If, however, evidence starts to emerge of export weakness, China can and should compensate with additional steps to boost domestic demand. In principle, China can avoid any damage at all from U.S. tariffs simply by responding with a full-scale Keynesian stimulus. But would the Chinese government be willing do this?

This is where bipartisan U.S. support for a “containment policy” toward China paradoxically works against Trump. China’s rulers have so far been reluctant to use overt demand stimulus as a weapon in the trade war because of strong commitments made by President Xi Jinping to limit the growth of China’s debt and to reform the banking sector.

But such financial policy arguments against Keynesian policy are surely irrelevant now that the U.S. has presented the battle over Trump’s tariffs as the opening skirmish in a geopolitical Cold War. It is simply inconceivable that Xi would attach higher priority to credit management than to winning the tariff war and thereby demonstrating the futility of a U.S. containment strategy against China.

This raises the question of how Trump will react when his tariffs start to hurt U.S. businesses and voters, while China and the rest of the world shrug them off. The probable answer is that Trump will follow the precedent of his conflicts with North Korea, the European Union and Mexico. He will “make a deal” that fails to achieve his stated objectives but allows him to boast of a “win” and justify the verbal belligerence that inspires his supporters.

Trump’s surprisingly successful rhetorical technique of “shout loudly and carry a white flag” helps to explain the consistent inconsistency of his foreign policy. The U.S.-China trade war is likely to provide the next example.

Anatole Kaletsky is chief economist and co-chairman of Gavekal Dragonomics and the author of “Capitalism 4.0, The Birth of a New Economy.”
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Opinion...l-end-up-losing-its-trade-war-with-china.ashx
 
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Trump’s surprisingly successful rhetorical technique of “shout loudly and carry a white flag” helps to explain the consistent inconsistency of his foreign policy. The U.S.-China trade war is likely to provide the next example.
Good phrase to depict Trump:yahoo:
 
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USA easy wins the trade war with China... they dont even need to push hard to win it...

USA is China´s biggest customer....
USA has tons of deb in China

you loose your biggest customer and you never get your money back...

China has nothing seriously in the hands against the USA ...

the bitter ture is...

China needs USA and USA needs China ... if one hurts the other he hurts himself...

First result of this war.. China will mostlikly drop out the top3 export surplus nation ranking in 2018....

currently the big winner of this war is Germany and Japan both with most likely + $200billion export surplus in 2018 (with a good chance for Germany to even get to $300billion export surplus)...
 
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USA easy wins the trade war with China... they dont even need to push hard to win it...

USA is China´s biggest customer....
USA has tons of deb in China

you loose your biggest customer and you never get your money back...

China has nothing seriously in the hands against the USA ...

the bitter ture is...

China needs USA and USA needs China ... if one hurts the other he hurts himself...

First result of this war.. China will mostlikly drop out the top3 export surplus nation ranking in 2018....

currently the big winner of this war is Germany and Japan both with most likely + $200billion export surplus in 2018 (with a good chance for Germany to even get to $300billion export surplus)...
US has to buy from others even they stop buying from China, but they have to pay way more and wait for way longer, China can easily explore new market since we are the world biggest trader and producer. US needs to buy way more products from China than we do from them, so we can function better without US than the otherway around.
As for losing a big market, no market is bigger than the market of one fifth of humanity, US will eventually lose out that's why they want to talk and we refuse.
 
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the most important point is that the US can find no where with such extremely high-IQ and highly skiiled mass labour force, even in the US, to manufacture sophisticated products.

Can India manufacture TVs without Chinese made components? No
Can Russia/Poland/most of Europe manufacture TVs without Chinese made components? No
Can the US manufacture TVs without Chinese made components? Not sure but I doubt it.

Just an example of a relatively simple product, but I believe the US also depends a lot on China for other consumer items, industrial components to be assembled in the US and even for machineries and equipment to run its industry, albeit not as much compared to Japan or Germany.
 
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the most important point is that the US can find no where with such extremely high-IQ and highly skiiled mass labour force, even in the US, to manufacture sophisticated products.

Can India manufacture TVs without Chinese made components? No
Can Russia/Poland/most of Europe manufacture TVs without Chinese made components? No
Can the US manufacture TVs without Chinese made components? Not sure but I doubt it.

Just an example of a relatively simple product, but I believe the US also depends a lot on China for other consumer items, industrial components to be assembled in the US and even for machineries and equipment to run its industry, albeit not as much compared to Japan or Germany.

LOL

nearly EVERYTHING in China made high tech products are not from China... in 95% of all smart phones "made in China" is German technology... in EVERY smart phone with a turning display are sensors from Germany... Germany hold 95% of this market world wide..


get real dudes...

do you realy belive Germany and Japan hold the top spot of world exporter surplus from NOTHING...
 
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LOL

nearly EVERYTHING in China made high tech products are not from China... in 95% of all smart phones "made in China" is German technology... in EVERY smart phone with a turning display are sensors from Germany... Germany hold 95% of this market world wide..


get real dudes...

do you realy belive Germany and Japan hold the top spot of world exporter surplus from NOTHING...

And 99% is from Vietnam technology.
With your current standard of education, only Germany cannot do what China can, not vice versa.
 
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Good luck for US to find replacement of China
 
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And I do not want to always mention that a lot of so-called German inventions were actually stolen from China or East Asia.

Like Gurternberg invented the printing machine.
 
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And I do not want to always mention that a lot of so-called German inventions were actually stolen from China or East Asia.

Like Gurternberg invented the printing machine.

Gutenberg not Gurtenberg.

So Chinese invented also cars, TV, Computer, MP3, diesel engine, balistic rockets, jet engines, jet fighter, electric engine, modern paper, helicopter, scanner, chipcards, airbag, abs, xray etc...
 
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Gutenberg not Gurtenberg.

So Chinese invented also cars, TV, Computer, MP3, diesel engine, balistic rockets, jet engines, jet fighter, electric engine, modern paper, helicopter, scanner, chipcards, airbag, abs, xray etc...

Rocket: yes;
Paper: yes

More proof about so-called German inventions. Do you claim these are invented by Germany?
 
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Trumpland has already started the biggest trade war in history, even against so-called American "allies".

And guess what? The days pass by the same as before, no one cares. If the latest UN meeting is anything to go by, the entire world is openly laughing at America. :lol:
 
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Trumpland has already started the biggest trade war in history, even against so-called American "allies".

And guess what? The days pass by the same as before, no one cares. If the latest UN meeting is anything to go by, the entire world is openly laughing at America. :lol:

That was hilarious. Even Trump said he was surprised (but also did not care).

I think it is better if they do not care. The more careless they get, the better.
 
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Trump trade wars: Ford reports $1bn in lost profits as US companies feel the heat

Published time: 27 Sep, 2018 10:15


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© Larry Downing / Reuters


US President Donald Trump’s tariffs are intended to help America’s iconic companies. However, Ford’s boss is not that happy about Washington’s trade duties.

“From Ford’s perspective the metals tariffs took about $1 billion in profit from us,” CEO James Hackett told a Bloomberg conference in New York. “The irony of which is we source most of that in the US today anyway. If it goes on any longer, it will do more damage.”

Hackett was referring to Trump’s steel and aluminum tariffs against America’s largest trading partners including China, Canada and Europe. Ford’s CEO didn’t specify the period of the losses incurred, but a spokesman for the company said he was referring to internal forecasts for higher tariff-related costs in 2018 and 2019.

Ford and other US car producers previously spoke against Trump’s metal tariffs. Jim Farley, Ford’s president of global markets, described Trump’s duties as a “significant headwind for us.”

The US auto industry is not the only one affected by the tariffs. The legendary Milwaukee-based motorcycle manufacturer Harley-Davidson has announced plans to move part of its production for Europe-bound bikes to international facilities because of the retaliatory tariffs from Brussels. The company estimates that tariffs will add $2,200 per motorcycle exported to the EU.

Alcohol producer Brown-Forman has said it would increase prices on its whiskeys, including Jack Daniel's, in parts of Europe because of tariffs on US-made bourbon.

Coca-Cola said in July it would be raising the price of its beverages in the middle of the year. “We had to take, with our bottling partners, an increase [in prices] in our sparkling beverage industry in the middle of the year, which is relatively uncommon,” Coca-Cola's chief executive James Quincey told CNBC at the time.

https://www.rt.com/business/439593-trump-tariffs-ford-us/
 
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