Why the sikhs had no desire for a independent sikh state in the 1940s?

[Śakra]

I know.. Their women literally drool over fair skinned people when they come to Canada/America

I'm a girl so I won't be talking about what they women do but I can say they definitely don't have a conventional sense of beauty and it takes a different, rare type of person to be able to appreciate that.

Did my post remind you too much of your family ? I understand you pain.

I'm not a Sikh.

Nope I just called his dad a enuch with long hair.

Eunichs can't grow facial hair. Anyways you said your mom looks like a guy. Kinda rude thing to say about her.

 

[ZenBird]

Its pretty obvious that you are here to provoke "bhayye", so dont act so innocent when you actually succeede. And some of the things you say about south indians are really disgusting and not worthy of a fellow punjabi. i travel to south india a lot and have all but respect for them. so when a fellow punjabi act the way you do, i get annoyed. and you do realize that the pakistanis here "leave you alone" cos they see you as someone anti-india-hindu right?

No I'm not here to provoke anybody, I've had good interactions with a few Indians. The problem is that both Pakistanis and Indians seem to think they are in some kind of cyber war with each other, I tend to stay out of those. If you read through my post history before this, you'll find me defending India/Hindus on several occasions. Anyway, I don't give a shit just stay out of my business and I'll stay out of yours. Feel free to click on the ignore button.

 

[yuba]

Its pretty obvious that you are here to provoke "bhayye", so dont act so innocent when you actually succeede. And some of the things you say about south indians are really disgusting and not worthy of a fellow punjabi. i travel to south india a lot and have all but respect for them. so when a fellow punjabi act the way you do, i get annoyed. and you do realize that the pakistanis here "leave you alone" cos they see you as someone anti-india-hindu right?

You should also look at plugnplys post he is taking the piss out of sikhism.What cleanwell is doing is not good either but plugnplay took it to insulting the tenants of our faith

 

[PlugnPlay]

lol Only the bhaiyya part was a slur. The Hindu part meant that you were not a Sikh and not familiar with the history of Sikhism. Like I give a shit, carry on.

Ya right

You called me a "hindu" without knowing jack $hit about me. I could very have been a sikh.

Its pretty clear that "hindu bhaiya" was supposed to be the Insult as opposed to the "superior" aryan sikh

You are a racist bigot, of that I have no doubt. Now go and pretend to not give a $hit.

I probably know a lot more about sikh history than you.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Disagree, the borders of Pakistan would have been bigger and if you read my earlier messages would have included Punjabi Hindus. They would have survived fine.

Just as TODAY's Minorities are " Surviving " in Pakistan

You must also have heard and read about Ahmediyas and Shias being
attacked in Pakistan and they are actually Muslims

IEDs blasts in and outside Gurudwaras ;
a Bus load of Passengers lined up and shot
Kidnapping and conversion of girls ; Extortion and Ransom calls
Homes and villages burnt and razed down

ALL these are what Sikhs would have had to Get used to
in case of a merger with Pakistan

 

[ZenBird]

Ya right

You called me a "hindu" without knowing jack $hit about me. I could very have been a sikh.

Its pretty clear that "hindu bhaiya" was supposed to be the Insult as opposed to the "superior" aryan sikh

You are a racist bigot, of that I have no doubt. Now go and pretend to not give a $hit.

I probably know a lot more about sikh history than you.

I'm definitely racist but tend to keep it bottled up unless provoked.

Duh, it was pretty obvious you were trying to school me as an outsider who knew better than me about my own religion. And no you do not know more about Sikh history than I do.

Alright, I'm ready to end this interaction. It's pretty obvious you and I will both get banned.

 

[PlugnPlay]

I'm not a Sikh.

Good for you. Not everybody is that lucky. Many pretend not to be sikh due to shame. Know anybody like that ?

Eunichs can't grow facial hair. Anyways you said your mom looks like a guy. Kinda rude thing to say about her.

Apparently sikh women grow facial hair too.

Now don't tell me that's your mom. Even if it is, keep it to yourself and keep off my post.

 

[ZenBird]

Just as TODAY's Minorities are " Surviving " in Pakistan

You must also have heard and read about Ahmediyas and Shias being
attacked in Pakistan and they are actually Muslims

IEDs blasts in and outside Gurudwaras ;
a Bus load of Passengers lined up and shot
Kidnapping and conversion of girls ; Extortion and Ransom calls
Homes and villages burnt and razed down

ALL these are what Sikhs would have had to Get used to
in case of a merger with Pakistan

Counterpoint: If Hindus and Sikhs of Punjab and even upto the area of Delhi had merged with Pakistan, it would not be an Islamic Republic but be balanced by different faiths. Even today in reality, Pakistan is an ethnic division under the pretext of a religious one. On the contrary, it might have stabilized the region and cleared it of ethnic strife.

 

[PlugnPlay]

I'm definitely racist but tend to keep it bottled up unless provoked.

Duh, it was pretty obvious you were trying to school me as an outsider who knew better than me about my own religion. And no you do not know more about Sikh history than I do.

Alright, I'm ready to end this interaction. It's pretty obvious you and I will both get banned.

Like I give a $hit about your inferiority complex.

Feel free to end this any time you want.

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

Disagree, the borders of Pakistan would have been bigger and if you read my earlier messages would have included Punjabi Hindus. They would have survived fine.

Some Hindus wanted to stay even after most Sikhs had already decided to leave but the violence was too much- So they had no option-

Even today Hindus are second class citizens there- and their women are abducted on a regular basis- Perhaos a reason why there is increased migration of whatever is left of Hindus there to India-

About the Independence part- The Dalits were a bigger group and they had a strong case for a separate state but people were able to convince them to Join India- They even tried to convince Muslims but they fundamentalists started riots in Bengal which was replied in Bihar and civil war looked ominous- So the demand of Muslims was agreed upon-

Sikhs too had their Jatthas ready but were betrayed by both Pakistan and India- more so with India or Nehru- had Nehru been strong- the Sialkot, Lahore belt would have come to India- But that would have meant a powerful Sikh community concentrated in Punjab-

 

[yuba]

There is a big problem with our bureaucracy or should I say the system- Sikhs are not alone in all this- I should say had the Sikhs been supported the say way the Muslims were after Gujarat 2002 and cases were to be monitored by the SC then the story could have been a little different- Even though I still believe It would've had to get Justice simply because the Congressi system would've been too strong- Even today it is very strong- Irrespective of who runs the Government-

At the end of the day mate our votebank is to small for any goverment to get us justice.It is a big deal to us the blood boils when we see the images

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

Counterpoint: If Hindus and Sikhs of Punjab and even upto the area of Delhi had merged with Pakistan, it would not be an Islamic Republic but be balanced by different faiths. Even today in reality, Pakistan is an ethnic division under the pretext of a religious one. On the contrary, it might have stabilized the region and cleared it of ethnic strife.

This would have sandwiched the entire Hindu and Sikh community between Punjabi, Pashtun Muslims on one side and Rohilla Afghan, Turks and Bihari Muslism on the other side- Not a good situation to be in-

 

[ZenBird]

Even today Hindus are second class citizens there- and their women are abducted on a regular basis- Perhaos a reason why there is increased migration of whatever is left of Hindus there to India-

They are affected by regional conflict like everybody else but more because they are a minority. I'm sure they would do fine in Pakistani Punjab.

Sikhs too had their Jatthas ready but were betrayed by both Pakistan and India- more so with India or Nehru- had Nehru been strong- the Sialkot, Lahore belt would have come to India- But that would have meant a powerful Sikh community concentrated in Punjab-

True, he did sleep with Lady Mountbatten and get India Amritsar though.

At the end of the day mate our votebank is to small for any goverment to get us justice.It is a big deal to us the blood boils when we see the images

Our young boys who picked up arms after having their families abducted by Punjab Police are still labeled as terrorists..

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Counterpoint: If Hindus and Sikhs of Punjab and even upto the area of Delhi had merged with Pakistan, it would not be an Islamic Republic but be balanced by different faiths. Even today in reality, Pakistan is an ethnic division under the pretext of a religious one. On the contrary, it might have stabilized the region and cleared it of ethnic strife.

So you mean to say that Today There is Terrorism in Pakistan because they have
run out of Non Muslims to kill

SO they are killing each other

You do know what happened to Bangladeshis
And that too when they were 2000 KM away from West Punjab

Just One Division of Pakistani Army would have been enough to
Wipe out Sikhs in case you had merged with Pakistan

And do you think that Hindus would have allowed Pakistan's Borders
right upto Delhi

That is a massive and Serious Delusion

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

At the end of the day mate our votebank is to small for any goverment to get us justice.It is a big deal to us the blood boils when we see the images

I share you anger- We as a non-Yadav in Yadav dominated Bihar feel the same- I hope there is some Justice provided by this changed Govt- both at Delhi and in Punjab-