Why the Russia-Ukraine War is Not the Same as the Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979

[etylo]

It was drafted by Kissinger and Zhou enlai during Kissinger's secret visits to China, Nixon badly wanted to come to China and he wanted an invitation from China, Kissinger and Zhou drafted this invitation together word by word, basically Nixon wanted to invite himself to China, go and check out his autobiography.


Military History Online - Chinese Support for North Vietnam during the Vietnam War: The Decisive Edge

by Bob Seals

Best turn it into a bigger warIm afraid you really ought to send more troops to the SouthDont be afraid of U.S. intervention, at most its no worse than having another Korean War. The Chinese army is prepared, and if America takes the risk of attacking North Vietnam, the Chinese army will march in at once. Our troops want a war now.[1]
-- Mao speaking to the North Vietnamese in 1964

So why did the powerful modern nations of France and the United States lose two wars in Vietnam to a third rate military power like North Vietnam? This is the logical question that many historians have asked and attempted to answer since the Second Vietnam War ended in April 1975 with the fall of Saigon to North Vietnamese tanks.

This Chinese military support, to include equipment, advisors and planning assistance, provided from 1949-1975, would prove in both the First and Second Indochina Wars to be decisive. This substantial military support would give the Peoples Army of Vietnam an edge to resist Western forces and eventually subjugate the Republic of South Vietnam. This support, for various reasons, has never really been acknowledged by most popular histories of the conflict. This is perhaps due to the fact that such acknowledgement of the massive Chinese military support provided challenges many cherished myths of Vietnamese Communist military brilliance and the heroic struggle against overwhelming western imperialists. Two recent histories bear this out. Case in point A Military History of China, edited by David A. Graff makes no mention of Chinese support for Vietnam while Bruce A. Ellemans Modern Chinese Warfare, 1795-1989, dismisses Chinese support in a mere two sentences.[3] However, unless this decisive Chinese support is properly understood by students of both Vietnam wars the answer to the question of why North Vietnam won will remain incomplete and misunderstood. This paper will attempt to outline the Chinese communist support in both wars and explain exactly why this support was so decisive.


China communist Party and North Vietnam power signed up agreements about PLA sent troops to Vietnam fight against American imperialist in 1965. At the same year, PLA send air defensive missile force, air defensive artillery, engineering force, railways troops, sweep mine team and shipping fleet and so on support North Vietnam. And carried on battle and supported tasks.

Chia total sent 320,000 troops to support North Vietnam until 1968 March, At the same time, China provided numerous military equipments and battle supplies. Include 170 planes, 140 ships and 500 tanks, 16000 trucks, cannon 37000, 2.16 millions guns ,bullets and shells add up to 12800 millions. In additional to these, and trained 6000 persons and technologists, through Vietnam war ,China gave an huge human power, finance, substance assistances for North Vietnam, count in supplies equality more the 20 billion dollars.

It's more like that China sent more than 500,000 troops in total to Vietnam over the period of the 10 years war against Yankees !

 

[Song Hong]

Le Duan has expelled 600 000 Chinese like a Nazi prior to Sino Vietnamese war.

Le Duan brought unprecedented disaster to Vietnam. Later his policies were thrown away by Nguyen Van Linh and Trường Chinh.

 

[cochine]

Viet fool, just to make some points clear. Foremost, you can not dismiss the importance of close geopolitics and close proximity that Vietnam and China shared during the wars against both USA and France. As much as you don't want to admit, but, without China's crucial role that deterred and limited Yankees army from crossing 17 th parallel into North Vietnam to fight Vietnam army, without the crucial Chinese army engineers and troops' works on the ports, railroads and roads that ensured Vietnam army's supply lines secured, without the crucial Chinese army missiles and artilleries air defense troops that relentlessly defended and ensured Vietnam's important military and civilian assests from being bombed and destroyed by Yankees air force, without China's crucial support as Vietnam's dominating immediate giant neighbour that served as Vietnam's vast rear defense and that also made all the logistics of easy and continuous quick transport of supplies of resources and weapons from China and the Soviet to Vietnam possible, and without China's crucial and tremendous support in providing Vietnam the military and economic aids needed during the war, Vietnam would never had won the war against US Yankees, period ! Plus, without crucial Chinese army's help in weapons especially artilleries, battle strategy and plans, soldiers training and military commanding advisors, the Vietnamese army would never being able to defeat the French army at the crucial battle of Dien Bien Phu and later the whole of Vietnam, period ! Don't be that ungrateful ! @cochine, @beijingwalker

What China did at beginning of war is just for demonstration China role for attention of USA, for that China could negociate with USA like what China did in Geneva 1954, to divide Vietnam . In 1968 Vietnam did know well real intention of Chinese, Chinese and America began discusion about us in Warsawa, so Chinese logistric trooppes was requested to move out from Vietnam.

The photo here is that Soviet Army technikers help Vietnam airdefence troopp in Vietnam.

It's more like that China sent more than 500,000 troops in total to Vietnam over the period of the 10 years war against Yankees !

Lying ang fabricating is the nature habitat of Chinese. Some logistic trooppe is meaningless in the Vietnam war.

 

[Song Hong]

Entire Zukerberg Chan families were expelled by Le Duan for no reason. How can this guy be so wicked. He was the one who brought war to Vietnam.

 

[cochine]

Many Vietnamese troops were regroupped , rest and trained in China after being beaten hard and went back to continue the fight after re equipped and refreshed in Guangxi and Yunnan provinces. China was Vietnamese army's great logistic rear, did Soviet Union and other 12 Socialist countries help Vietnam with those?

In fact, Vietnam army had liberated Quangxi anf Yuanan for China in 1948/1949. Here is the evident of that Vietnamese liberated Quangxi from KMT.

 

[Song Hong]

The Koreans killed and raped a lot of Vietnamese. They are really fking bastard. The South suffered the most. Korean harm Vietnam were 10x bigger than Chinese@1979.

Unfortunately today all Vietnamese worship Koreans.

Women raped by Korean soldiers during Vietnam war still awaiting apology

Campaign group urges recognition for women affected by sexual violence of Korean troops and the children born as result

www.theguardian.com

 

[cochine]

Le Duan has expelled 600 000 Chinese like a Nazi prior to Sino Vietnamese war.

Le Duan brought unprecedented disaster to Vietnam. Later his policies were thrown away by Nguyen Van Linh and Trường Chinh.

Stop lying about Le Duan. He did nothing about Hua ethnic people living in Vietnam. Not that in Vietnam war Hua people not requested to join an Army in North Vietnam.

The Koreans killed and raped a lot of Vietnamese. They are really fking bastard. The South suffered the most. Korean harm Vietnam were 10x bigger than Chinese@1979.

Unfortunately today all Vietnamese worship Koreans.



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Women raped by Korean soldiers during Vietnam war still awaiting apology

Campaign group urges recognition for women affected by sexual violence of Korean troops and the children born as result

www.theguardian.com

In the invasion in 1979, 100.000 Vietnamese were killed by PLA.

 

[xuxu1457]

It's all geopolitics and national interests.
There is no right or wrong, you can think of South Korea, the top 10 economic and military in the world, but South Korea can't annoy any country around it. If South Korea is in the Middle East, Africa or elsewhere, not in East Asia, it is also a regional power.

 

[Leishangthem]

Vietnam was collaborating with the soviet that had threatened a nuclear attack on China ,so Vietnamese talking about Chinese backstabbing doesn't make sense. China decided to mend ties with US against the existential threat from the Soviet? which was the no.1 enemy .

Vietnam was clearly acting with total disregard for china,it was also trying to create its own sphere of control in french Indochina,from laos ,Thailand,Cambodia to Malacca strait with Soviet help, it seems Vietnamese are just pissed China folded their hegemonic delusion so they are making asinine excuse like China back stabbed Vietnam by meeting nixon ,even though China US relationship had no cards against Vietnam,since Vietnam got everything it had wished for . Vietnam was purging Chinese ethnicity while openly collaborating with the Soviets in encircling china so as to exert dominance in the SEA.
It's hypocrisy when someone accuses China of stealing Paracel Islands in 1974, when Vietnam itself stole the island from China when KMT & CPC were going at each other.

 

[beijingwalker]

In fact, Vietnam army had liberated Quangxi anf Yuanan for China in 1948/1949. Here is the evident of that Vietnamese liberated Quangxi from KMT.

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Hilarious, it's like saying ethnic Koreans liberated China's north east cause there were many ethnic Koreans fighting KMT in PLA.

 

[vi-va]

Le Duan has expelled 600 000 Chinese like a Nazi prior to Sino Vietnamese war.

Le Duan brought unprecedented disaster to Vietnam. Later his policies were thrown away by Nguyen Van Linh and Trường Chinh.

In Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh is god, while Le Duan is very controversial. He brought victory and disaster to Vietnam.

Nixon visited China on 21 Feb 1972, while Le Duan initiated Easter Offensive War on 30 March 1972 to demonstrate North Vietnam strength, failed strategically. Võ Nguyên Giáp was the scapegoat.

Btw, Ho Chi Minh died in 1969. Le Duan was in charge of VCP before Ho Chi Minh died. Le Duan initiated invasion of Cambodia in 1978, failed. He died in 1986.

China had good relationship with most VCP founders, except a few of them, including Le Duan.

 

[etylo]

What China did at beginning of war is just for demonstration China role for attention of USA, for that China could negociate with USA like what China did in Geneva 1954, to divide Vietnam . In 1968 Vietnam did know well real intention of Chinese, Chinese and America began discusion about us in Warsawa, so Chinese logistric trooppes was requested to move out from Vietnam.

The photo here is that Soviet Army technikers help Vietnam airdefence troopp in Vietnam.

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Lying ang fabricating is the nature habitat of Chinese. Some logistic trooppe is meaningless in the Vietnam war.

Yeah, you ungrateful Viet still holds the view that China should not had any contacts with USA to address their concerns at any time and you Viets should held China hostage from engaging any diplomacy with USA or the West. You think China should had been controlled and listened to you Viets' wishes 100 percent ! Again, China did not collude with the USA against Vietnam during the entire war as can be seen in all evidence China supported Vietnam both militarily and economically during the entire war period ! I think that's the most and all you Viets could ask China to do, period ! Don't talk to me any more of the none sense that China betrayed Vietnam from the beginning, and you are just making excuses to cover you Viets' own treachery and ungratefulness to China ! Again, who the hell do you think you Viets are ? You think Chinese and China were your possessions, they couldn't have their own aspirations and interests at the same time not damaging Vietnam's interests ? Of course, I know Soviets also provided important help in the war including air defence to Vietnam and you don't have to show me the pictures in order to wilfully belittle or nullify Chinese help in the war, idiot！These Soviets pictures don't negate the fact that China provided huge missiles and artilleries air defence to Vietnam in the war ! The Chinese air defence missiles and artilleries are basically operated by Chinese troops in Vietnam. What the hell are you complaining that China had contacts with USA in 1950s in Poland while the USA involvement in the war in Vietnam didn't start in 1960s ? You are really out of your little brain think that China should be barred from any contacts or relations with the USA or the West starting from China's founding. You think everything in China all the time and maybe the whole world too should be revolved around Vietnam especially Vietnam war ? You know that during the entire Vietnam war period, Vietnam and USA also held many talks in Paris, France, what do you say about that ? So, it was perfectly OK for Vietnam to negotiate with your enemy USA while you were at war, but China just couldn't talk to USA at any time to address their concerns ? Go get lost because you Viet's little brain is obviously incapable of understanding the world in a rational and reasonable way ! Don't twist things around, it was USA, France and the West that wanted to divide Vietnam into South and North along the 17 th parallel in Geneva, and China was not powerful enough to stop it and in the end along with the Soviets just accepted it ! Yeah, you treacherous ungrateful Viets just blame everything bad in Vietnam on China and Chinese. And you are now shamelessly accusing me of purposely lying about Chinese participation in the Vietnam war, just go to hell ! That's all.

 

[etylo]

Hilarious, it's like saying ethnic Koreans liberated China's north east cause there were many ethnic Koreans fighting KMT in PLA.

Yeah, typical hubris and ungrateful Vietnamese, that's what they are !

 

[etylo]

In fact, Vietnam army had liberated Quangxi anf Yuanan for China in 1948/1949. Here is the evident of that Vietnamese liberated Quangxi from KMT.

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Yeah, typical hubris and ungrateful Vietnamese, that's what you are ! So, there were some Vietnamese in PLA in the fighting in the two provinces, you think you can claim you Viets liberated the provinces ? It's the same logic that you shameless Viets have the audacity to claim that you built the Forebidden City in Beijing though you know pretty well you didn't have the technology and capability to build such huge complex of palace buildings in Vietnam !

 

[vi-va]

Yeah, typical hubris and ungrateful Vietnamese, that's what they are !

Btw, it's Le Duan who had the view that SCS belongs to Vietnam. He didn't know Vietnam's geopolitical boundary and political limits.

Le Duan brought misadventure to Vietnam.