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Why the creation of Pakistan does not negate my Indian identity

Even if a squirrel comes under your tyres you feel sad and may even contemplate help for an animal.

A 12 year old was purposely trampled to death by Nawaz Sharif 3 time prime minister. The person you yourselves select as your symbol.

Whatever the master race which wins this battle should be the better HUMAN race.

Otherwise we are all Neanderthals
 
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But let's leave that buddy, most identities don't span in to ancient history. It's evident if you try and teach kids a history lesson a little older than a few centuries they get bored very easily and fail to see any connection between their reality and the myths/sagas being dictated to them.

That's why it's interesting to discuss things among adults here.

Cheers, Doc

Every where man on the beach in the supermarket in a club anywhere
It's there dream to have a baby with pretty hair as they call it
Black girl have baby off white man the hairs still Afro
Black girl have baby off Pak/Ind/bangla man the hairs always straight silky and shiny
This is there dream

This is good information.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Keep crying
We got our identity as Pakistan . We freed ourselves from the piss hindutva but if you want to be again part of that smelly shitty country India then I'm ready to kick you out of this land .
 
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Nobody want to be part of nobody
But today is the day WE kicked out the British together and today is known worldwide as the day the British empire lost everything lost what ???

They lost the empire and all slaved countries all around the world know today this was the day hope was established for them and from Africa to Caribbean it set the motion for them to cry freedom

Rejoice for one day people WE kicked out the racist murdering winston Churchill motherfucker out and gave freedom to the world
 
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Why the creation of Pakistan does not negate my Indian identity
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There is something about India as an idea which transcends modern-day political configurations. It is the idea of India as a huge mass of land which stretches from Balochistan to present day Bangladesh. This idea of India is independent of any political configuration.

In fact, during the past thousands of years, this mass of land has very seldom been a unified political entity. And yet, there is something which loosely unites the inhabitants despite their substantial religious and at times even ethno-linguistic differences. After all, let us not forget that more than 200 languages are spoken in India.

There is something, perhaps difficult to articulate, which enables this huge stretch of land to be called India irrespective of various political shapes it has assumed over thousands of years.

My country Pakistan was created only 70 years ago. In my eyes, the current political landscape consisting of India, Bangladesh and Pakistan is just one of the many political permutations the Indian subcontinent has witnessed over thousands of years. This current political formation does not mean that I have ceased to be an Indian.

Yes, at this point, I will say that I am a proud Pakistani. I opened my eyes here and I love it intensely despite the fact that I have often been severely critical of the way things are being run here. But at the same time, I would also like to say that I have an Indian identity as well.

I am the heir to the same rich past and I have the same claim to India as those who belong to modern political India. It is this great common heritage, underpinned by the idea of India independent of political configurations, which unites me with those who live in the present political entity of India. It is our common heritage irrespective of our different political, and for that matter even cultural differences – because modern political India also has many sub-cultures which differ substantially from each other – which unites us.

Yes, those who worship the idea of the Two-Nation Theory will negate it and ironically their sentiments will find endorsement by a Hindutva brigade. The former thinks that identity is perhaps a monolithic phenomenon and Pakistan equates to an antithesis of India. They think that identity is solely a political cum religious construct and since Pakistan is a separate political entity, we are now just Pakistanis in every respect of the way.

The political Pakistan means the fostering of a completely new identity and a complete divorce from the past. For them, their past starts from the point their ancestors converted to Islam and their identity morphs into something concrete only after the creation of Pakistan. And this group, consisting of so-called nationalists, is also wary of ethnic identities and aligns itself with the state cultivated narrative of “one Pakistan, one nation”.

On the other hand, the Indian right-wingers think that since Pakistan became a separate state, their country was “partitioned” and an unforgivable sin has been committed. By creating Pakistan, its inhabitants have divided mother India. They keep on talking about the glory of the Indus valley civilisation and mention India as a historically single political entity which in 1947 was divided along religious lines.

Well, needless to say, I disagree with both parties. My premise is that people have multiple identities. I am a Pakistani, a Punjabi, a Muslim, and of course an Indian in the sense I have mentioned above. In fact, we all have multiple identities. At times, one identity may become dominant due to certain circumstances and may even take on a strong political expression, such as a demand for a separate state. However, even if one does so, the other identities do not simply disappear.

So in my case, my Indian identity is there despite my Pakistani identity. I may not consciously ‘choose’ it, but for me it is not only a matter of choice, as it is an identity shaped by history and culture transmitted through generations. It is that common historical heritage which binds me together with those who live in the neighbouring political India.

I have been fortunate to know numerous Indians at both of my alma maters, Cornell University and Syracuse University. Some of my best friends are Indians and I am amazed at how much we have in common despite an apparently ‘hostile’ political situation between the two countries. And they do not belong to North India only (as it is often said that North India is culturally closer to Pakistan) but from the South as well. It is this commonality which transcends political and even ethnic and religious differences which binds me to them. I do not think of them as foes but as my brothers and sisters with whom I share a great common heritage.

And yet I will not apologise for Pakistan, as it is my country and I opened my eyes here. I will nevertheless reiterate that the creation of Pakistan, at least in my eyes, does not negate my Indian identity and origins. I would like to remind all those who are bent upon imposing the Arab Wahabi culture on us that it is alien to us.

Today, as our countries turn 70, I believe that realising our common identity is important, as it will lead to the erosion of bitterness. Yes, modern Pakistan and India are a reality, but then so is our great common heritage. Yes, it is important for us to be loyal to our political states, but at the same time not overlook the joint heritage.

There is an overarching identity which unites us despite our political differences. I sincerely wish we acknowledge that and move forward as independent but friendly political states.

I am a Pakistani Indian…


Raza Habib Raja
The author is a recent Cornell graduate and currently pursuing his PhD in political science at Maxwell School, Syracuse University. He has also worked for a leading development finance institution in Pakistan. He is a freelance journalist whose works have been published at Huffington Post, Dawn (Pakistan), Express Tribune (Pakistan) and Pak Tea House. He tweets @razaraja (twitter.com/razaraja?lang=en)
yeah..very cute..now go back to whichever rock you crawled out from. These paid for rubish writers and their load of garbage.
There was no country called India before British Arrival in sub continent. It was a region of many rulers, each with own dominion. Even under British Raj many Rulers were allowed to keep their dominion while remaining loyal to the Raj.
Both India and Pakistan came into being almost Simultaneously. So i do not know how someone claims that India is older than Pakistan or existed in its current form before Pakistan and assume some fuked up Indian Identity.
 
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yeah..very cute..now go back to whichever rock you crawled out from. These paid for rubish writers and their load of garbage.
There was no country called India before British Arrival in sub continent. It was a region of many rulers, each with own dominion. Even under British Raj many Rulers were allowed to keep their dominion while remaining loyal to the Raj.
Both India and Pakistan came into being almost Simultaneously. So i do not know how someone claims that India is older than Pakistan or existed in its current form before Pakistan and assume some fuked up Indian Identity.

According to these people, some empire 2000+ years ago that may or may not briefly held northern India and Pakistan, means that everything in all South Asia belongs to India.

...and the Indians jumping on it in this thread are really betraying their own ancestors, since they were the ones fighting a bloody campaign of independence against the idea of a single India that was being enforced by the British.
 
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Nobody want to be part of nobody
But today is the day WE kicked out the British together and today is known worldwide as the day the British empire lost everything lost what ???

They lost the empire and all slaved countries all around the world know today this was the day hope was established for them and from Africa to Caribbean it set the motion for them to cry freedom

Rejoice for one day people WE kicked out the racist murdering winston Churchill motherfucker out and gave freedom to the world

Yes.

We did it together.

No acrimony.

Think of what we would have achieved together ....

Cheers, Doc
 
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What these pseudo intellectuals fail to grasp that "India" was an entity which was created, ruled and marketed to world by the colonial British empire, or British Raj as we say. It has absolutely nothing to do with indigenous history of sub continent. Its neither home grown nor indigenous in nature or name. India was imposed on the people of sub continent by the foreign powers which when they left had natural readjustment. If the entity which came into being on 15th August called itself India, in a hope to carry on the legacy of British Raj, it has got nothing to do with the original India, which itself lasted a mere century. So when we are talking about history of sub continent, India itself is insignificant, be it a colonial India or the present day India.

When these liberal scumbags refer to India , they are infact glorifying the past slavery of foreign powers. Pakistanis have moved on with this label of disgrace, the subjects of Indian raj, and called themselves Pakistanis, while the ones in east are still holding on to the label of being called "Indian".

for the author, just a skim on his twitter account is enough to understand his mindset. When you are quoting the d|ckhead like cyril almeda and Asma Jahangir, and clearly toeing the line of Nawaz Shareef, you lose your credibility as unbiased writer.

I have said this many times, Pakistani deep must uproot these aholes sooner then later. The media houses like DAWN and TRIBUNE are spewing so much venom and filth these days in their support to Nawaz Shareef that they have now gone beyond maligning state institution and are attacking vary fabric of Pakistan as a state.
Only recently Turkey has started to take these media proxies down one by one. InshaAllah Pak will soon start the process.....
 
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Whether Pakistan divided to another 10 nations as splitting of east Pakistan it will always remain part of Indian civilization. History will never recommended them Arabic civilization,central Asian or Chinese civilization.Naming a new country does not change your identity.
 
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Why the creation of Pakistan does not negate my Indian identity
54821-dsfjpg-1502534453-528-640x480.jpg


There is something about India as an idea which transcends modern-day political configurations. It is the idea of India as a huge mass of land which stretches from Balochistan to present day Bangladesh. This idea of India is independent of any political configuration.

In fact, during the past thousands of years, this mass of land has very seldom been a unified political entity. And yet, there is something which loosely unites the inhabitants despite their substantial religious and at times even ethno-linguistic differences. After all, let us not forget that more than 200 languages are spoken in India.

There is something, perhaps difficult to articulate, which enables this huge stretch of land to be called India irrespective of various political shapes it has assumed over thousands of years.

My country Pakistan was created only 70 years ago. In my eyes, the current political landscape consisting of India, Bangladesh and Pakistan is just one of the many political permutations the Indian subcontinent has witnessed over thousands of years. This current political formation does not mean that I have ceased to be an Indian.

Yes, at this point, I will say that I am a proud Pakistani. I opened my eyes here and I love it intensely despite the fact that I have often been severely critical of the way things are being run here. But at the same time, I would also like to say that I have an Indian identity as well.

I am the heir to the same rich past and I have the same claim to India as those who belong to modern political India. It is this great common heritage, underpinned by the idea of India independent of political configurations, which unites me with those who live in the present political entity of India. It is our common heritage irrespective of our different political, and for that matter even cultural differences – because modern political India also has many sub-cultures which differ substantially from each other – which unites us.

Yes, those who worship the idea of the Two-Nation Theory will negate it and ironically their sentiments will find endorsement by a Hindutva brigade. The former thinks that identity is perhaps a monolithic phenomenon and Pakistan equates to an antithesis of India. They think that identity is solely a political cum religious construct and since Pakistan is a separate political entity, we are now just Pakistanis in every respect of the way.

The political Pakistan means the fostering of a completely new identity and a complete divorce from the past. For them, their past starts from the point their ancestors converted to Islam and their identity morphs into something concrete only after the creation of Pakistan. And this group, consisting of so-called nationalists, is also wary of ethnic identities and aligns itself with the state cultivated narrative of “one Pakistan, one nation”.

On the other hand, the Indian right-wingers think that since Pakistan became a separate state, their country was “partitioned” and an unforgivable sin has been committed. By creating Pakistan, its inhabitants have divided mother India. They keep on talking about the glory of the Indus valley civilisation and mention India as a historically single political entity which in 1947 was divided along religious lines.

Well, needless to say, I disagree with both parties. My premise is that people have multiple identities. I am a Pakistani, a Punjabi, a Muslim, and of course an Indian in the sense I have mentioned above. In fact, we all have multiple identities. At times, one identity may become dominant due to certain circumstances and may even take on a strong political expression, such as a demand for a separate state. However, even if one does so, the other identities do not simply disappear.

So in my case, my Indian identity is there despite my Pakistani identity. I may not consciously ‘choose’ it, but for me it is not only a matter of choice, as it is an identity shaped by history and culture transmitted through generations. It is that common historical heritage which binds me together with those who live in the neighbouring political India.

I have been fortunate to know numerous Indians at both of my alma maters, Cornell University and Syracuse University. Some of my best friends are Indians and I am amazed at how much we have in common despite an apparently ‘hostile’ political situation between the two countries. And they do not belong to North India only (as it is often said that North India is culturally closer to Pakistan) but from the South as well. It is this commonality which transcends political and even ethnic and religious differences which binds me to them. I do not think of them as foes but as my brothers and sisters with whom I share a great common heritage.

And yet I will not apologise for Pakistan, as it is my country and I opened my eyes here. I will nevertheless reiterate that the creation of Pakistan, at least in my eyes, does not negate my Indian identity and origins. I would like to remind all those who are bent upon imposing the Arab Wahabi culture on us that it is alien to us.

Today, as our countries turn 70, I believe that realising our common identity is important, as it will lead to the erosion of bitterness. Yes, modern Pakistan and India are a reality, but then so is our great common heritage. Yes, it is important for us to be loyal to our political states, but at the same time not overlook the joint heritage.

There is an overarching identity which unites us despite our political differences. I sincerely wish we acknowledge that and move forward as independent but friendly political states.

I am a Pakistani Indian…


Raza Habib Raja
The author is a recent Cornell graduate and currently pursuing his PhD in political science at Maxwell School, Syracuse University. He has also worked for a leading development finance institution in Pakistan. He is a freelance journalist whose works have been published at Huffington Post, Dawn (Pakistan), Express Tribune (Pakistan) and Pak Tea House. He tweets @razaraja (twitter.com/razaraja?lang=en)
You are free to go to India ...

For your information Balochistan, Sindh, KPK, Punajb, Kashmir and Galgit Baltistan are separate and called Pakistan ...
 
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Only recently Turkey has started to take these media proxies down one by one. InshaAllah Pak will soon start the process.....

It is absolutely necessary that the media is sorted because half of the war is won in the mind before the battlefield. Glad Turkey is doing it, we in Pakistan desperately in need of this cleansing process.
 
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Only 14% of Pakistan army is Pashtun, not one third (33.3%). So they are neither over-represented nor under-represented.

I heard it was 1/3. Strange, maybe I'm thinking of another ethnic group.
 
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