Why the Bangladesh-India friendship is under pressure

[Surya 1]

Oh really. Why India is taking loan from China through AIIB?
Did China point a gun on your head for taking loan?

Harman Tota land grab of Srilank.

 

[VikingRaider]

Seriously? Ho ar Bharat re mullah koile khub zukti hoa zay toh thik na?

Ho dada , Mullah to aosle Muslim Mullah na, Mullah is a common word nowadays . Same as Indian dalals are called Indian Razakar in Bangladesh.

So Bhul bollam ki ? India is RSS Mullah country nowadays.

Besides jamati and chetona has same agenda that is to bash patriot Bangladeshi.

On the other hand sanghi and jamati Mullahs has same expansionist agenda.

One want Akhanda bharat and the other want strick sharia law and Khelafot all over the world!

That's why I call sanghi jamati bhai bhai. Dutai bodmash.

 

[Varunastra]

Ho dada , Mullah to aosle Muslim Mullah na, Mullah is a common word nowadays . Same as Indian dalals are called Indian Razakar in Bangladesh.

So Bhul bollam ki ? India is RSS Mullah country nowadays.

Besides jamati and chetona has same agenda that is to bash patriot Bangladeshi.

On the other hand sanghi and jamati Mullahs has same expansionist agenda.

One want Akhanda bharat and the other want strick sharia law and Khelafot all over the world!

That's why I call sanghi jamati bhai bhai. Dutai bodmash.

Yes there are groups that want Akhand Bharat, some being more radical than others, but for most Indians it's not even known. Every hard working individual be of any religion has the opportunity to reach to the top positions and succeed in India, my examples were only a fraction of the countless out there.
Generalising India and entire Indian populace based on ideas of a few is not the right way. It would be like calling entire Bangladesh and Bangladeshis as jamaatis.
There are extreme elements in both countries but it'll do us good if we don't generalize with such accusations.

 

[VikingRaider]

Yes there are groups that want Akhand Bharat, some being more radical than others, but for most Indians it's not even known. Every hard working individual be of any religion has the opportunity to reach to the top positions and succeed in India, my examples were only a fraction of the countless out there.
Generalising India and entire Indian populace based on ideas of a few is not the right way. It would be like calling entire Bangladesh and Bangladeshis as jamaatis.
There are extreme elements in both countries but it'll do us good if we don't generalize with such accusations.

Okay finally a sensible message. Nah I have no issue with majority Indian. As India is full of illiterate mass like Bangladesh.

But the real problem is India is democratic nation , so since these people have voting right, so they are electing BJP , and BJP is using Indian folks as front guard/shikhandi. So yes we must have to protect our interest at all cost.

In Bangladesh the time is already gone.

I know you can't make India a one party state, as if you do so, you can't keep India united as India is union of states.

But we can impose one party state and technically Bangladesh is one party state and we can still remain united as we aren't diverse people.

90% are Muslims and the rest 10% are religious mionity ,but since we succefully neutralized islamists , so it's safe to say they can't come to power. And that's the reason non Muslims won't feel threatened.

Besides islmaists we're never in power in Bangladesh, only in 2001-2006 they were ally of govt party.

And Khaleda Zia used them to become invincible.

Now you see her consequence right?

So technically no religious ideological party can't be the major party in Bangladesh.

And besides, other than political factor ( you see some isolated cases )Muslim and hindus never has any issue in Bangladesh, and since religious ideological party can't form govt ,minority feel safe. Besides all are actually Bengalis.

But in India they (Hinduvta) are in power.

Again doesn't matter how good your people are, in the end they are just scapegoat of democracy system.

So we have upper hand in the case , no Islamist can come to power , even you see , in Pakistan no islamists parties can form govt, although they are very much influential.

 

[Varunastra]

Okay finally a sensible message. Nah I have no issue with majority Indian. As India is full of illiterate mass like Bangladesh.

But the real problem is India is democratic nation , so since these people have voting right, so they are electing BJP , and BJP is using Indian folks as front guard/shikhandi. So yes we must have to protect our interest at all cost.

In Bangladesh the time is already gone.

I know you can't make India a one party state, ad if you do so, you can't keep India united as India is union of states.

But we can impose one party state and technically Bangladesh is one party state and we can still remain united as we aren't diverse people.

90% are Muslims and the rest 10% are religious mionity ,but since we succefully neutralized islamists , so it's safe to say they can't come to power. And that's the reason non Muslims won't feel threatened.

Besides islmaists we're never in power in Bangladesh, only in 2001-2006 they were ally of govt party.

And Khaleda Zia used them to become invincible.

Now you see her consequence right?

So technically no religious ideological party can't be the major party in Bangladesh.

And besides, other than political factor Muslim and hindus never has any issue in Bangladesh, and since religious ideological party can form govt ,minority feel safe. Besides all are actually Bengalis.

But in India they (Hinduvta) are in power.

Again doesn't matter how good your people are, in the end they are scapegoat of democracy system.

So we have upper hand in the case , no Islamist can come to power , even you see , in Pakistan no islamists parties can form govt, although they are very much influential.

India's democracy and bjp being in power doesn't prove ki India votes for religious extremism. BJP like any other party were voted into power for a myriad of factors, some like their nationalistic agressive attitude towards foreign powers who want to harm us, for some it was their sentiments towards hindus and prioritizing it, for some they only saw economic development, just like Gujrat model people think Modi can do the same in whole India, for some it can just be lack of any other party that seems fit (congress nowadays doesn't really have the best of images for example) and many more such. So basically the portion that brought bjp to power are also fractured in their own views.
About the lean towards a particular religion, it can be said that most parties that come to power has a bit of majority appeasement behind them, you can most definitely see that in Pakistan(with them initially supporting likes of TLP who were talking about nuking France and what not, even now in Imrans many tweets you can see how he is playing into majority sentiment), for Bangladesh I agree it is less than Pakistan and either equal to or less than India but appeasement definitely does take place, it's undeniable. Islam is still the declared state religion isn't it?.

 

[VikingRaider]

Islam is still the declared state religion isn't it?.

Islam is state religion, but others are treated equally. Actually I want Indonesian system where 5 religion is recognised and islam is one of them.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

India's democracy and bjp being in power doesn't prove ki India votes for religious extremism. BJP like any other party were voted into power for a myriad of factors, some like their nationalistic agressive attitude towards foreign powers who want to harm us, for some it was their sentiments towards hindus and prioritizing it, for some they only saw economic development, just like Gujrat model people think Modi can do the same in whole India, for some it can just be lack of any other party that seems fit (congress nowadays doesn't really have the best of images for example) and many more such. So basically the portion that brought bjp to power are also fractured in their own views.
About the lean towards a particular religion, it can be said that most parties that come to power has a bit of majority appeasement behind them, you can most definitely see that in Pakistan(with them initially supporting likes of TLP who were talking about nuking France and what not, even now in Imrans many tweets you can see how he is playing into majority sentiment), for Bangladesh I agree it is less than Pakistan and either equal to or less than India but appeasement definitely does take place, it's undeniable. Islam is still the declared state religion isn't it?.

This keeps the hardliners happy and won't change anytime soon, the state institution are firmly grounded in the tenets of the constitution including secularism as is the ruling party.


I believe this ambiguous state of secularism in Bangladesh is the best way to go at it for now.

 

[Jobless Jack]

Islam is state religion, but others are treated equally. Actually I want Indonesian system where 5 religion is recognised and islam is one of them.

1) The problem is not declaring Islam as a state religion. As matter of fact, when 90% of the country follows a particular religion, and govt claims to represent them , then how can you declare the govt secular ?The best way forward is to declare Islam the state religion--- but not disturb the practitioners of the minority religions.

2)All mosques and madrasas in the country should be run by civilians---- Under the direct supervision of the military--- who will retrain the teachers and rewrite the curriculum that is taught to students to the standard of cadet colleges or Mini -cadet colleges. This will also give the military a brand new pool from where to recruit soldiers. This will raise the education standard that is available to the poor ( most madras students and teacher come from low income families) and provide them a with better job opportunities. This means less youth will follow Wahhabi terrorist ideology. Also this gives military an extremely loyal class to recruit soldiers from as they will see the military as their ticket to uplift themselves out of poverty .

3)Extremists never captured power in Pak , they wont capture power in BD either. But when you declare secularism in a Muslim majority country---- you give the Wahhabi nut cases fuel to wage their bogus CIA taught and funded Jihad. So the problem is Wahhabism as Wahhabism brought the curse of Islamic terrorism in the south Asian region. Secularism is not the answer to this problem. The answer is true Islamic education and elimination of Wahhabi ideology from society. When you declare secularism, you are actually doing what the CIA masters who funded and trained Wahhabis wanted you to do. To remove Islam from mainstream society and introduce western secularism that teaches SHIRK in the name of "progress".

4) Secularism is peddled by Indians because the survival of their precious artificial Union is dependent on it. Using PAK between 2001 - 2018 as an example boogeyman. But BD and PAK society is nothing like India's. So BD should avoid that rubbish peddled by Indians and their pets in BD.

 

[VikingRaider]

1) The problem is not declaring Islam as a state religion. As matter of fact, when 90% of the country follows a particular religion, and govt claims to represent them , then how can you declare the govt secular ?The best way forward is to declare Islam the state religion--- but not disturb the practitioners of the minority religions.

2)All mosques and madrasas in the country should be run by civilians---- Under the direct supervision of the military--- who will retrain the teachers and rewrite the curriculum that is taught to students to the standard of cadet colleges or Mini -cadet colleges. This will also give the military a brand new pool from where to recruit soldiers. This will raise the education standard that is available to the poor ( most madras students and teacher come from low income families) and provide them a with better job opportunities. This means less youth will follow Wahhabi terrorist ideology. Also this gives military an extremely loyal class to recruit soldiers from as they will see the military as their ticket to uplift themselves out of poverty .

3)Extremists never captured power in Pak , they wont capture power in BD either. But when you declare secularism in a Muslim majority country---- you give the Wahhabi nut cases fuel to wage their bogus CIA taught and funded Jihad. So the problem is Wahhabism as Wahhabism brought the curse of Islamic terrorism in the south Asian region. Secularism is not the answer to this problem. The answer is true Islamic education and elimination of Wahhabi ideology from society. When you declare secularism, you are actually doing what the CIA masters who funded and trained Wahhabis wanted you to do. To remove Islam from mainstream society and introduce western secularism that teaches SHIRK in the name of "progress".

4) Secularism is peddled by Indians because the survival of their precious artificial Union is dependent on it. Using PAK between 2001 - 2018 as an example boogeyman. But BD and PAK society is nothing like India's. So BD should avoid that rubbish peddled by Indians and their pets in BD.

Well said. I agree. Specially the wahabi part. And our secularism isn't without religion , but it means freedom for all religion.

I have no problem with Islam as state religion.

But if we recognise all religion like Indonesia does , then it will be better , as no issue will be raised by fifth columnists who are very powerful inside Bangladesh.

But current status is fine too.

 

[Jobless Jack]

Well said. I agree. Specially the wahabi part. And our secularism isn't without religion , but it means freedom for all religion.

I have no problem with Islam as state religion.

But if we recognise all religion like Indonesia does , then it will be better , as no issue will be raised by fifth columnists who are very powerful inside Bangladesh.

But current status is fine too.

All known 5th columnist's should be lined up against the wall and shot---- without being given a blind fold.

 

[Bilal9]

Gujrat model people think Modi can do the same in whole India

By now - it should be abundantly clear to Indians that Gujrat model cannot be possible for the rest of the Indian states, especially BIMARU states. The people and culture are the problem, not the economics.

Indisciplined uneducated majority Hindutva people who do not believe in the rule of law (and whose leaders do not believe in lifting themselves out of the chaos, rather thrive in it) cannot be the basis of a disciplined economy like in China. Progress will remain elusive.

Thanks to Modi's one-two-three punch (starting with demonetization), India's economy is now ruined for the better part of the next decade, back to the "Hindu" rate of growth (2-3% max every year). Yet these BIMARU folks will line up and vote for Modi, thanks to the propaganda and hype.

Ultimately, India will never be a manufacturing economy, much less an export-based growth economy like China.

The last thing we should do is emulate Indian model (which does not apply to our scenario) and we should reduce trade with India to a minimum, "friendship" (which I call RAW sponsored influence on our trade policies) notwithstanding.

We should only trade with those countries whose values match ours, like Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey and of course - China.

 

[Varunastra]

By now - it should be abundantly clear to Indians that Gujrat model cannot be possible for the rest of the Indian states, especially BIMARU states. The people and culture are the problem, not the economics.

Indisciplined uneducated majority Hindutva people who do not believe in the rule of law (and whose leaders do not believe in lifting themselves out of the chaos, rather thrive in it) cannot be the basis of a disciplined economy like in China. Progress will remain elusive.

Thanks to Modi's one-two-three punch (starting with demonetization), India's economy is now ruined for the better part of the next decade, back to the "Hindu" rate of growth (2-3% max every year). Yet these BIMARU folks will line up and vote for Modi, thanks to the propaganda and hype.

Ultimately, India will never be a manufacturing economy, much less an export-based growth economy like China.

The last thing we should do is emulate Indian model (which does not apply to our scenario) and we should reduce trade with India to a minimum, "friendship" (which I call RAW sponsored influence on our trade policies) notwithstanding.

We should only trade with those countries whose values match ours, like Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey and of course - China.

Excuse me "hindu" growth rate? Is there one for every religion? Also India will never be a manufacturing economy? Considering manufacturing is seen by every government as a major growth sector eventually it'll get a major spurt even if it is not living up to it's potential now. The west is also backing us in this front and wants to shift away from China, it'll eventually happen.
Finally why do Pakistan, Indonesia, Turkey match your trade values and not India? I see a common trend ki they are muslim majority countries, so is this "trade value" just having the same majority religion?

 

[Bilal9]

Excuse me "hindu" growth rate? Is there one for every religion? Also India will never be a manufacturing economy? Considering manufacturing is seen by every government as a major growth sector eventually it'll get a major spurt even if it is not living up to it's potential now. The west is also backing us in this front and wants to shift away from China, it'll eventually happen.
Finally why do Pakistan, Indonesia, Turkey match your trade values and not India? I see a common trend ki they are muslim majority countries, so is this "trade value" just having the same majority religion?

Dada it will take a long time to break it all down for you about trade sans India (if you haven't seen my numerous posts in the past and others here too). Not much energy to write long essays during Ramzan (Yes even for me) so please allow some time. Meanwhile let's chew on these...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_rate_of_growth

D-8 Organization for Economic Cooperation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

BTW West will not back India over China as China is already too powerful as an economy and is the second largest market (soon to be top market) for all varieties of critical Western-manufactured goods and raw materials (many made in China itself). West is already way too invested in Chinese market and economy.

India as a manufacturing nation (or even Market) cannot replace China - stop believing Godi media.

If you can - I suggest a visit (after Covid settles down) to Shenzhen, it is a short 3 hour flight from Dhaka to Hong Kong which is next to Shenzhen. Many Bangladeshi and Chinese airlines serve that route.

Seeing is believing instead of arguing here in PDF. Been there - done that.

Shennan road in Shenzhen

 

[Varunastra]

Dada it will take a long time to break it all down for you about trade sans India (if you haven't seen my numerous posts in the past and others here too). Not much energy to write long essays during Ramzan (Yes even for me) so please allow some time. Meanwhile let's chew on these...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_rate_of_growth

D-8 Organization for Economic Cooperation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

BTW West will not back India over China as China is already too powerful as an economy and is the second largest market (soon to be top market) for all varieties of critical Western-manufactured goods and raw materials (many made in China itself). West is already way too invested in Chinese market and economy.

India as a manufacturing nation (or even Market) cannot replace China - stop believing Godi media.

If you can - I suggest a visit (after Covid settles down) to Shenzhen, it is a short 3 hour flight from Dhaka to Hong Kong which is next to Shenzhen. Many Bangladeshi and Chinese airlines serve that route.

Seeing is believing instead of arguing here in PDF.

D-8 looks to be an economic organization of Muslim majority developing nations to me like I said before, maybe you can paint the full picture later if there are other factors.
Hindu growth rate is new to me, sounds derogatory, don't think the term is much popular.
Yes not denying China's current status, doesn't change the fact that none in west support China and want India to take it's place. Really it's not about China's incompetence but about India's potential and west's interests. We'll see in future.

Bydway Ramzan Mubarak to you and all Bangladeshi Muslims here Shubhecha roilo

 

[Bilal9]

doesn't change the fact that none in west support China and want India to take it's place.

I'd like you to quote some non-Indian sources of these Western proclamations Dada and enlighten us...

WION and Indian Hindutva propaganda outlets don't count.