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Still, Prime Minister Narendra Modi could learn a few lessons from the leader's collected writings.


You’ve heard the old joke. An Indian politician meets Lee Kuan Yew who tells him, “Let me run India for two months and I will turn it into another Singapore. The Indian politician turns around and replies, “Arre, let me run Singapore for two days and I will turn it into another Bihar.”

The fact is, Singapore's founding father Lee Kuan Yew, who died on Monday at the age of 91, had mixed feelings about India. He started out, being a serious admirer of India and Nehru, he said, and believed that India had a great role to play in the Asian region. But that admiration began to wane soon after Singapore became independent. Lee wrote in his memoirs that his first priority in nation building was the creation of a potent army, and that he had written to Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri to seek the Indian army’s the help in this endeavour. But, to his great disappointment, he never even got a reply to his letter. That was when, he wrote, he began a global search to find a suitable military training partner for Singapore, and finally decided on the as- yet untested Israel. Two years later, when Israel won its spectacular victory in the Seven-Day War against Egypt, Syria and Jordan, people realised how prescient his choice had been.

Lee’s early hopes for a close relationship with India never recovered after that early incident. A state visit to Delhi in the mid-1960s did nothing to improve either the chemistry between the two countries, or Lee’s perception of India. Indeed, Lee wrote acidly about how shabby and run-down the magnificent Rashtrapati Bhavan was from the inside, about how he spotted members of the staff trying to steal bottles of Scotch, and how senior Indian officials would try to cadge gifts from overseas delegations. He wrote elsewhere, in his characteristically blunt fashion, that India was not even a real country, merely “32 separate nations that happen to be arrayed along a British rail line”. A memorable line, even if it had the effect of a diplomatic nuclear bomb.

Long vision horizon

A political analyst once wrote of the concept of a “vision horizon” ‒ a leader’s ability to see into the future. He went on to do an exercise of examining the vision horizons of various leaders, from Napoleon to Kennedy, and putting a notional time-scale to each. Thus, according to his estimates, the leader who had the farthest vision horizon of all was Churchill, who was able to look 60 years into the future. Lee Kuan Yew was not included in that list, but one can safely assume that he’d have left Churchill behind by a decade or so. Indeed, Lee is a man about whom Richard Nixon ‒ no slouch in the strategic vision department himself ‒ once commented, that if he had lived in another place and time, he would have probably achieved the historical stature of a Gladstone or a Disraeli.

Yet Lee, omniscient as he might seem, had his failures. His greatest, perhaps, was when his grand vision of a united Malaysia-Singapore quickly fell apart ‒ apparently as a result of his own overbearing behavior ‒ and Singapore got summarily ejected from the union. Lee, while announcing this news broke down and wept on Singapore TV (a difficult thing to imagine of him) and then disappeared from public sight for several days, having suffered from what sounds suspiciously like a nervous breakdown (an even more difficult thing to imagine of him).

In his memoirs, Lee wrote that Singapore’s admirable success was neither inevitable nor easy; indeed, he and his team had to work exceedingly hard at each step, taking great risks, making mistakes, and learning from those mistakes as quickly as possible. But the fact is that Lee was a probably a phenomenon that was uniquely possible in a society like Singapore, with its predominantly Chinese population, with its inherent values of order, discipline and industriousness; it is questionable as to whether he could have been as successful anywhere else. And to that extent the Indian politician of the joke was probably right: it is much easier to turn a Singapore into a Bihar than it is to turn a Bihar into a Singapore.

Politically incorrect programmes

Even in Singapore, Lee was not necessarily very popular. For example, I was living in Singapore at the time when the state was running one of Lee’s typical programmes ‒ eminently sensible, but politically incorrect ‒ to encourage the island’s educated middle class to have more children, while simultaneously promoting family planning aggressively among the uneducated underclass. At that point, rather ironically, Lee’s own daughter-in-law gave birth to a disabled child. I remember the unseemly schadenfreude among a section of Singapore’s population at the news: as a driver, close to the bottom of the island’s economic pyramid, said to me with vicious glee in Singlish, “What la! Lee Kuan Yew think only rich people can have good children. But his own grandson ‒ born mad, la. Born mad!”

Lee leaves behind a unique legacy of statesmanship. In fact, a team of American diplomat andscholars has condensed his writings, speeches and interviews over the years into a volume titled, Lee Kuan Yew: The Grand Master's Insights on China, the United States, and the World, an important book, which looks through Lee’s eyes at global strategic issues, and the futures of China, the US and India, as well as a range of other contemporary subjects, from globalisation and democracy to Islamic extremism.

In fact, when Prime Minister Narendra Modi first came into office, I thought he would find this book very useful, and I told myself that I must, as a conscientious Indian citizen, send him a copy. But somehow, it slipped my mind. Hearing the recent news about Lee has reminded me of that intent. As soon as I finish writing this piece, I intend to order a copy from Flipkart, to be delivered direct to 7, Racecourse Road.




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Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew on why even he would not be able to change India


'No single person can change India. You speak 320 different languages,' he said. 'India is a creation of the British Raj and the railway system it built, and therefore it has its limitations.'


Lee Kuan Yew, the founding father and first Prime Minister of Singapore, always managed to provoke with his views on India, famously saying once, "India is not a real country. Instead, it is 32 separate nations that happen to be arrayed along the British rail line."

During the South Asian Diaspora Convention in 2011, he was asked, "If someone were to give you India today, can you do to India what you did to Singapore over the last three decades?" This is what he said in response.


"First, no single person can change India. You speak 320 different languages. Manmohan Singh [who was the Prime Minister then] can speak Hindi – I am not sure if he speaks Punjabi, I think he can, but at any one time you would only have only about 200 million people out of a total of 1.2 billion people understanding him, so that is a structural problem which cannot be overcome.

If you compare that with China where over 90 per cent speak one language, and when the President of China or a leader in China speaks, 90 per cent understand it. So, it's a much easier country to lead than India.

Secondly, as I have explained, India consists of many different dialects and nation-groups. There is no connection between the history and development of the Tamil language or the Telugu language and [say] Punjabi. So, India is a creation of the British Raj and the railway system it built, and therefore it has its limitations."

He was also asked to share what according to him were the fundamental rules of good governance. That is quite simple, he responded:
"First, integrity, absence of corruption.

Second, meritocracy – the best people for the best jobs. And

Third, a fair level-playing field for everybody.

We were lucky in Singapore, because we started with a plastic, young society, so we chose English as our working language, which was a neutral platform for everybody. Nobody had an advantage.

Secondly, it's a small country and you can have your edict run throughout the whole country. India is very different: you can say something in Delhi and somebody in Bangalore decides differently, and that's there. So, I do not think it's possible for anybody to do to India what takes it to develop quickly. It is diverse and therefore it has to work at its own speed, its own tempo, where each marches to its own drumbeat.

And it took me a longtime to understand this, because I had many issues with British Empire history, and I thought India was more than just a concept. India was India. But as I grew up and I went to India, I realised that there are many different Indias – and it is still true today.

Yes, you have the English language which binds the English-speaking Indians, but that's only up to a point. I think the English-speaking Madrasi and the English speaking... Bombay is probably the only place in India where the various groups meet and feel at home with each other. So if they can make the whole of India like Bombay, then you've got a different India."


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Still, Prime Minister Narendra Modi could learn a few lessons from the leader's collected writings.


You’ve heard the old joke. An Indian politician meets Lee Kuan Yew who tells him, “Let me run India for two months and I will turn it into another Singapore. The Indian politician turns around and replies, “Arre, let me run Singapore for two days and I will turn it into another Bihar.”

The fact is, Singapore's founding father Lee Kuan Yew, who died on Monday at the age of 91, had mixed feelings about India. He started out, being a serious admirer of India and Nehru, he said, and believed that India had a great role to play in the Asian region. But that admiration began to wane soon after Singapore became independent. Lee wrote in his memoirs that his first priority in nation building was the creation of a potent army, and that he had written to Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri to seek the Indian army’s the help in this endeavour. But, to his great disappointment, he never even got a reply to his letter. That was when, he wrote, he began a global search to find a suitable military training partner for Singapore, and finally decided on the as- yet untested Israel. Two years later, when Israel won its spectacular victory in the Seven-Day War against Egypt, Syria and Jordan, people realised how prescient his choice had been.

Lee’s early hopes for a close relationship with India never recovered after that early incident. A state visit to Delhi in the mid-1960s did nothing to improve either the chemistry between the two countries, or Lee’s perception of India. Indeed, Lee wrote acidly about how shabby and run-down the magnificent Rashtrapati Bhavan was from the inside, about how he spotted members of the staff trying to steal bottles of Scotch, and how senior Indian officials would try to cadge gifts from overseas delegations. He wrote elsewhere, in his characteristically blunt fashion, that India was not even a real country, merely “32 separate nations that happen to be arrayed along a British rail line”. A memorable line, even if it had the effect of a diplomatic nuclear bomb.

Long vision horizon

A political analyst once wrote of the concept of a “vision horizon” ‒ a leader’s ability to see into the future. He went on to do an exercise of examining the vision horizons of various leaders, from Napoleon to Kennedy, and putting a notional time-scale to each. Thus, according to his estimates, the leader who had the farthest vision horizon of all was Churchill, who was able to look 60 years into the future. Lee Kuan Yew was not included in that list, but one can safely assume that he’d have left Churchill behind by a decade or so. Indeed, Lee is a man about whom Richard Nixon ‒ no slouch in the strategic vision department himself ‒ once commented, that if he had lived in another place and time, he would have probably achieved the historical stature of a Gladstone or a Disraeli.

Yet Lee, omniscient as he might seem, had his failures. His greatest, perhaps, was when his grand vision of a united Malaysia-Singapore quickly fell apart ‒ apparently as a result of his own overbearing behavior ‒ and Singapore got summarily ejected from the union. Lee, while announcing this news broke down and wept on Singapore TV (a difficult thing to imagine of him) and then disappeared from public sight for several days, having suffered from what sounds suspiciously like a nervous breakdown (an even more difficult thing to imagine of him).

In his memoirs, Lee wrote that Singapore’s admirable success was neither inevitable nor easy; indeed, he and his team had to work exceedingly hard at each step, taking great risks, making mistakes, and learning from those mistakes as quickly as possible. But the fact is that Lee was a probably a phenomenon that was uniquely possible in a society like Singapore, with its predominantly Chinese population, with its inherent values of order, discipline and industriousness; it is questionable as to whether he could have been as successful anywhere else. And to that extent the Indian politician of the joke was probably right: it is much easier to turn a Singapore into a Bihar than it is to turn a Bihar into a Singapore.

Politically incorrect programmes

Even in Singapore, Lee was not necessarily very popular. For example, I was living in Singapore at the time when the state was running one of Lee’s typical programmes ‒ eminently sensible, but politically incorrect ‒ to encourage the island’s educated middle class to have more children, while simultaneously promoting family planning aggressively among the uneducated underclass. At that point, rather ironically, Lee’s own daughter-in-law gave birth to a disabled child. I remember the unseemly schadenfreude among a section of Singapore’s population at the news: as a driver, close to the bottom of the island’s economic pyramid, said to me with vicious glee in Singlish, “What la! Lee Kuan Yew think only rich people can have good children. But his own grandson ‒ born mad, la. Born mad!”

Lee leaves behind a unique legacy of statesmanship. In fact, a team of American diplomat andscholars has condensed his writings, speeches and interviews over the years into a volume titled, Lee Kuan Yew: The Grand Master's Insights on China, the United States, and the World, an important book, which looks through Lee’s eyes at global strategic issues, and the futures of China, the US and India, as well as a range of other contemporary subjects, from globalisation and democracy to Islamic extremism.

In fact, when Prime Minister Narendra Modi first came into office, I thought he would find this book very useful, and I told myself that I must, as a conscientious Indian citizen, send him a copy. But somehow, it slipped my mind. Hearing the recent news about Lee has reminded me of that intent. As soon as I finish writing this piece, I intend to order a copy from Flipkart, to be delivered direct to 7, Racecourse Road.




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Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew on why even he would not be able to change India


'No single person can change India. You speak 320 different languages,' he said. 'India is a creation of the British Raj and the railway system it built, and therefore it has its limitations.'


Lee Kuan Yew, the founding father and first Prime Minister of Singapore, always managed to provoke with his views on India, famously saying once, "India is not a real country. Instead, it is 32 separate nations that happen to be arrayed along the British rail line."

During the South Asian Diaspora Convention in 2011, he was asked, "If someone were to give you India today, can you do to India what you did to Singapore over the last three decades?" This is what he said in response.


"First, no single person can change India. You speak 320 different languages. Manmohan Singh [who was the Prime Minister then] can speak Hindi – I am not sure if he speaks Punjabi, I think he can, but at any one time you would only have only about 200 million people out of a total of 1.2 billion people understanding him, so that is a structural problem which cannot be overcome.

If you compare that with China where over 90 per cent speak one language, and when the President of China or a leader in China speaks, 90 per cent understand it. So, it's a much easier country to lead than India.

Secondly, as I have explained, India consists of many different dialects and nation-groups. There is no connection between the history and development of the Tamil language or the Telugu language and [say] Punjabi. So, India is a creation of the British Raj and the railway system it built, and therefore it has its limitations."

He was also asked to share what according to him were the fundamental rules of good governance. That is quite simple, he responded:
"First, integrity, absence of corruption.

Second, meritocracy – the best people for the best jobs. And

Third, a fair level-playing field for everybody.

We were lucky in Singapore, because we started with a plastic, young society, so we chose English as our working language, which was a neutral platform for everybody. Nobody had an advantage.

Secondly, it's a small country and you can have your edict run throughout the whole country. India is very different: you can say something in Delhi and somebody in Bangalore decides differently, and that's there. So, I do not think it's possible for anybody to do to India what takes it to develop quickly. It is diverse and therefore it has to work at its own speed, its own tempo, where each marches to its own drumbeat.

And it took me a longtime to understand this, because I had many issues with British Empire history, and I thought India was more than just a concept. India was India. But as I grew up and I went to India, I realised that there are many different Indias – and it is still true today.

Yes, you have the English language which binds the English-speaking Indians, but that's only up to a point. I think the English-speaking Madrasi and the English speaking... Bombay is probably the only place in India where the various groups meet and feel at home with each other. So if they can make the whole of India like Bombay, then you've got a different India."


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As usual, one stops admiring India as soon as he visits the country.
 
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He's a leader whose we admire each and every day. He gave us hope when whole world abandoned us.

We you can certainly admire him, but what do you mean that the whole world abandoned you ? Singapore exist because the world did not abandon you. You are just a city state and anyone can conquer you if the world din't care.


On a separate note, Lee Kwan Yew's shallow understanding of India surprises me. I though he had more depth.
 
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Still, Prime Minister Narendra Modi could learn a few lessons from the leader's collected writings.


You’ve heard the old joke. An Indian politician meets Lee Kuan Yew who tells him, “Let me run India for two months and I will turn it into another Singapore. The Indian politician turns around and replies, “Arre, let me run Singapore for two days and I will turn it into another Bihar.”

The fact is, Singapore's founding father Lee Kuan Yew, who died on Monday at the age of 91, had mixed feelings about India. He started out, being a serious admirer of India and Nehru, he said, and believed that India had a great role to play in the Asian region. But that admiration began to wane soon after Singapore became independent. Lee wrote in his memoirs that his first priority in nation building was the creation of a potent army, and that he had written to Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri to seek the Indian army’s the help in this endeavour. But, to his great disappointment, he never even got a reply to his letter. That was when, he wrote, he began a global search to find a suitable military training partner for Singapore, and finally decided on the as- yet untested Israel. Two years later, when Israel won its spectacular victory in the Seven-Day War against Egypt, Syria and Jordan, people realised how prescient his choice had been.

Lee’s early hopes for a close relationship with India never recovered after that early incident. A state visit to Delhi in the mid-1960s did nothing to improve either the chemistry between the two countries, or Lee’s perception of India. Indeed, Lee wrote acidly about how shabby and run-down the magnificent Rashtrapati Bhavan was from the inside, about how he spotted members of the staff trying to steal bottles of Scotch, and how senior Indian officials would try to cadge gifts from overseas delegations. He wrote elsewhere, in his characteristically blunt fashion, that India was not even a real country, merely “32 separate nations that happen to be arrayed along a British rail line”. A memorable line, even if it had the effect of a diplomatic nuclear bomb.

Long vision horizon

A political analyst once wrote of the concept of a “vision horizon” ‒ a leader’s ability to see into the future. He went on to do an exercise of examining the vision horizons of various leaders, from Napoleon to Kennedy, and putting a notional time-scale to each. Thus, according to his estimates, the leader who had the farthest vision horizon of all was Churchill, who was able to look 60 years into the future. Lee Kuan Yew was not included in that list, but one can safely assume that he’d have left Churchill behind by a decade or so. Indeed, Lee is a man about whom Richard Nixon ‒ no slouch in the strategic vision department himself ‒ once commented, that if he had lived in another place and time, he would have probably achieved the historical stature of a Gladstone or a Disraeli.

Yet Lee, omniscient as he might seem, had his failures. His greatest, perhaps, was when his grand vision of a united Malaysia-Singapore quickly fell apart ‒ apparently as a result of his own overbearing behavior ‒ and Singapore got summarily ejected from the union. Lee, while announcing this news broke down and wept on Singapore TV (a difficult thing to imagine of him) and then disappeared from public sight for several days, having suffered from what sounds suspiciously like a nervous breakdown (an even more difficult thing to imagine of him).

In his memoirs, Lee wrote that Singapore’s admirable success was neither inevitable nor easy; indeed, he and his team had to work exceedingly hard at each step, taking great risks, making mistakes, and learning from those mistakes as quickly as possible. But the fact is that Lee was a probably a phenomenon that was uniquely possible in a society like Singapore, with its predominantly Chinese population, with its inherent values of order, discipline and industriousness; it is questionable as to whether he could have been as successful anywhere else. And to that extent the Indian politician of the joke was probably right: it is much easier to turn a Singapore into a Bihar than it is to turn a Bihar into a Singapore.

Politically incorrect programmes

Even in Singapore, Lee was not necessarily very popular. For example, I was living in Singapore at the time when the state was running one of Lee’s typical programmes ‒ eminently sensible, but politically incorrect ‒ to encourage the island’s educated middle class to have more children, while simultaneously promoting family planning aggressively among the uneducated underclass. At that point, rather ironically, Lee’s own daughter-in-law gave birth to a disabled child. I remember the unseemly schadenfreude among a section of Singapore’s population at the news: as a driver, close to the bottom of the island’s economic pyramid, said to me with vicious glee in Singlish, “What la! Lee Kuan Yew think only rich people can have good children. But his own grandson ‒ born mad, la. Born mad!”

Lee leaves behind a unique legacy of statesmanship. In fact, a team of American diplomat andscholars has condensed his writings, speeches and interviews over the years into a volume titled, Lee Kuan Yew: The Grand Master's Insights on China, the United States, and the World, an important book, which looks through Lee’s eyes at global strategic issues, and the futures of China, the US and India, as well as a range of other contemporary subjects, from globalisation and democracy to Islamic extremism.

In fact, when Prime Minister Narendra Modi first came into office, I thought he would find this book very useful, and I told myself that I must, as a conscientious Indian citizen, send him a copy. But somehow, it slipped my mind. Hearing the recent news about Lee has reminded me of that intent. As soon as I finish writing this piece, I intend to order a copy from Flipkart, to be delivered direct to 7, Racecourse Road.




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Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew on why even he would not be able to change India


'No single person can change India. You speak 320 different languages,' he said. 'India is a creation of the British Raj and the railway system it built, and therefore it has its limitations.'


Lee Kuan Yew, the founding father and first Prime Minister of Singapore, always managed to provoke with his views on India, famously saying once, "India is not a real country. Instead, it is 32 separate nations that happen to be arrayed along the British rail line."

During the South Asian Diaspora Convention in 2011, he was asked, "If someone were to give you India today, can you do to India what you did to Singapore over the last three decades?" This is what he said in response.


"First, no single person can change India. You speak 320 different languages. Manmohan Singh [who was the Prime Minister then] can speak Hindi – I am not sure if he speaks Punjabi, I think he can, but at any one time you would only have only about 200 million people out of a total of 1.2 billion people understanding him, so that is a structural problem which cannot be overcome.

If you compare that with China where over 90 per cent speak one language, and when the President of China or a leader in China speaks, 90 per cent understand it. So, it's a much easier country to lead than India.

Secondly, as I have explained, India consists of many different dialects and nation-groups. There is no connection between the history and development of the Tamil language or the Telugu language and [say] Punjabi. So, India is a creation of the British Raj and the railway system it built, and therefore it has its limitations."

He was also asked to share what according to him were the fundamental rules of good governance. That is quite simple, he responded:
"First, integrity, absence of corruption.

Second, meritocracy – the best people for the best jobs. And

Third, a fair level-playing field for everybody.


We were lucky in Singapore, because we started with a plastic, young society, so we chose English as our working language, which was a neutral platform for everybody. Nobody had an advantage.

Secondly, it's a small country and you can have your edict run throughout the whole country. India is very different: you can say something in Delhi and somebody in Bangalore decides differently, and that's there. So, I do not think it's possible for anybody to do to India what takes it to develop quickly. It is diverse and therefore it has to work at its own speed, its own tempo, where each marches to its own drumbeat.

And it took me a longtime to understand this, because I had many issues with British Empire history, and I thought India was more than just a concept. India was India. But as I grew up and I went to India, I realised that there are many different Indias – and it is still true today.

Yes, you have the English language which binds the English-speaking Indians, but that's only up to a point. I think the English-speaking Madrasi and the English speaking... Bombay is probably the only place in India where the various groups meet and feel at home with each other. So if they can make the whole of India like Bombay, then you've got a different India."


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At bolded part- absolutely true!
 
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On Pakistan .

LKY has dedicated one chapter to South Asia, wherein he reflects on the personal traits of leaders, and expounds on the challenges faced by Pakistan and India. Recalling establishing relations with Pakistan, LKY observes, “We established diplomatic relations with Pakistan in 1968 but for many years had little trade or other links. We did not share common positions in international affairs until the 1980s when the Afghan and Cambodian conflicts, both funded by the Soviet Union brought us together.”

Recounting his 1982 meeting with President Zia-ul-Haq, LKY observes, “He told me that his sole purpose in visiting Singapore was to meet me as the person responsible for modern Singapore. I gave him my standard reply, that modern Singapore was the work of a team...

He invited me to Pakistan, which I did in March 1988. He welcomed me in style…once our commercial aircraft crossed the India-Pakistan border near Lahore, six F-16s fighter planes escorted us to Islamabad. He mounted a huge guard of honor for inspection, a 19-gun salute, and hundreds of flag-waving children and dancers to greet me at the airport. I was impressed to see Islamabad noticeably cleaner and better maintained than Delhi, with none of the filth, slums, and streets overflowing with people in the city center. Standards at their guesthouses and hotels were also higher

Zia was heavyset man, with straight black hair carefully combed back, thick moustache, a strong voice, and a confident military manner…At dinner, Zia made an off-the-cuff speech to complement me, not just on Singapore, but especially for standing up to the Western Press…In a press conference before departure, I praised President Zia for his courage in undertaking the dangers of giving logistics support to the Afghans. Had he been a nervous leader who preferred to look the other way, the world would have been worse off. Unfortunately, a few months later, before our relations could progress. Zia was killed in a suspicious plane crash.”

After Zia era ties with Pakistan again got stagnated until Nawaz Sharif became prime minister in November 1990. Describing Nawaz Sharif, LKY observes, “He was a stout man of medium height, short for a Pakistani, already bald although only in his late forties. Unlike the Bhuttos, Nawaz Sharif came out not from the landed property feudal elite but from a middle-class business family in Lahore. He had built up steel, sugar, and textile companies during the years when Pakistan was ruled by military leaders, including Zia ul-Haq. He visited Singapore twice in 1991 --- in March, quietly, to study the reasons for our economic progress; in December, to ask me to visit his country and advise on the opening up of its economy. Pakistan, he said, had started on bold reforms, using Singapore as a model.
He struck me as keen to change and make Pakistan more market oriented. I agreed to go the following year.”

Discussing the economic issues Pakistan faced, LKY observes, “They had a low tax base, with income tax yielding only 2 percent of their GDP. Many transactions in land sales were not documented and tax evasion was widespread. They subsidized agriculture, railways, and steel mills. Defense took 44 percent of the budget, debt servicing 35 percent, leaving 21 percent to administer the country. Hence their budget deficits were 8 to 10 percent of their GDP and inflation was reaching double-digit figures. The IMF had drawn their attention to these parlous figures. The solutions were obvious but political will was difficult to exercise in a country without an educated electorate and with legislature in the grip of landowners who controlled the votes of their uneducated tenant farmers. This made land and tax reforms near impossible. Corruption was rampant, with massive thievery of state property, including illegal tapping of electricity.”

LKY spent a week in Pakistan from 28 February 1992, and met Prime minster Nawaz Sharif and his key cabinet colleagues. LKY portrays economic and finance minister Sartaj Aziz as “irrepressible optimist.” After his visit to Pakistan, he sent prime minister Nawaz Sharif, a report summarizing actions that should be taken to rectify the economic problems. About Nawaz Sharif, LKY recounts, “He was a man of action with much energy…His business background made him believe in private enterprise as the solution for flow growth and he was eager to privatize state enterprises. But in Pakistan they were not sold by inviting open tenders. Friendships, especially political ones, determined who got what. He always believed that something could be done to make things better. The problem was that often he had neither the time nor the patience to have a comprehensive study made before deciding on a solution.
On balance, I believed he was better able to govern than Benazir Bhutto, the leading opposition leader who was later to succeed Nawaz Sharif. He knew more about business, with or without patronage, than either she or her husband, Asif Zardari.”

Nawaz Sharif visited Singapore in December 1992 and asked LKY to visit Pakistan to assess progress on implementing his recommendations. LKY recounts, “He privatized 60 percent of targeted enterprises and foreign investments had increased…I discovered many of my recommendations had not been implemented. I had feared this would happen.
Before I could visit Islamabad again, confrontation between President Khan and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif led to the resignation of both and fresh elections. Benazir beame Prime Minister.”
Recalling his meeting with Benazir, LKY writes, “Shortly after the election, I met Benazir Bhutto in Davos in January 1994. She was elated and full of ideas. She wanted Singapore to participate in a road project from Pakistan to Central Asia going through Afghanistan. I asked for a detailed proposal for us to study. She also wanted us to look into the viability of sick enterprises in Pakistan and take them over.

Her husband was even more ebullient. He was going to build an island off Karachi to develop as free port and a free trade zone with casinos. It was totally uneconomic. Pakistan had so much unused land, what need was there to build an island? Their approach was simple: Singapore was successful, had lots of money, and therefore could invest in Pakistan and make it as successful.”

In March 1995, Bhutto and Asif Zardari visited Singapore. LKY observes, “She said she had heeded my advice in Davos and ensured that all her proposals had been well thought through. She invited Singapore to transfer its labor-intensive industries to Pakistan. I said she would first have to convince our business people…I did not visit Pakistan. She was dismissed from office in 1996 by Leghari, a president she herself had appointed. Nawaz Sharif won the subsequent election in February 1997, to return as prime minister… Pakistan’s deep economic and political problems remained…their politics continued to be poisoned by implacable animosities between leaders of the two main parties. Asif Ali Zardari was charged with the murder of his wife’s brother, Murtaza Bhutto. And husband and wife both charged for corruption involving vast sums of money, some of which was traced to Switzerland.”

LKY also recounts meeting Benazir Bhutto and Asif Zardari at a Commonwealth conference in Kuala Lumpur in October 1989: “I spent one long evening on Langkawi island during the “retreat” (informal gathering of the conference members at some resort), chatting with Prime minister Bhutto and her husband Asif Zardari, learning about Pakistani politics and culture. She had youthful good looks, a fair complexion, and a finely chiseled, photogenic face. He was ebullient and outgoing wheeler-dealer, with no inhibitions in telling me that he was ready to consider any deal in anything --- cutting a good deal was what life was about for him. He was in fruit and other export business, in real estate and everything else. I promised to introduce him to some fruit importers to buy his mangoes, which I did when he visited Singapore accompanying his wife to some meeting in 1995. He was likeable rogue. But I never thought him capable of murdering her brother, a charge made by the Pakistani government after she was thrown out of office by the president.”

LKY observes that Pakistan’s problems were compounded in May 1998 with India’s nuclear explosions. In response Pakistan conducted its own, leaving both countries economically stretched. Recalling his meeting with Nawaz Sharif in May 1999 in Singapore, LKY writes, “…he assured me that he had had good discussions with India’s Prime Minister Vajpayee the previous month and neither side intended to deploy missiles with nuclear warheads. He ventured the view that because both had nuclear capabilities, an all-out war between them would no longer be possible. It is an outcome devoutly to be wished.”

Reflecting on the people of Pakistan, LKY observes, “The Pakistanis are a hardy people with enough of the talented and well-educated to build a modern nation. But unending strife with India has drained Pakistan’s resources and stunted its potential.”
 
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On Pakistan .

LKY has dedicated one chapter to South Asia, wherein he reflects on the personal traits of leaders, and expounds on the challenges faced by Pakistan and India. Recalling establishing relations with Pakistan, LKY observes, “We established diplomatic relations with Pakistan in 1968 but for many years had little trade or other links. We did not share common positions in international affairs until the 1980s when the Afghan and Cambodian conflicts, both funded by the Soviet Union brought us together.”

Recounting his 1982 meeting with President Zia-ul-Haq, LKY observes, “He told me that his sole purpose in visiting Singapore was to meet me as the person responsible for modern Singapore. I gave him my standard reply, that modern Singapore was the work of a team...

He invited me to Pakistan, which I did in March 1988. He welcomed me in style…once our commercial aircraft crossed the India-Pakistan border near Lahore, six F-16s fighter planes escorted us to Islamabad. He mounted a huge guard of honor for inspection, a 19-gun salute, and hundreds of flag-waving children and dancers to greet me at the airport. I was impressed to see Islamabad noticeably cleaner and better maintained than Delhi, with none of the filth, slums, and streets overflowing with people in the city center. Standards at their guesthouses and hotels were also higher

Zia was heavyset man, with straight black hair carefully combed back, thick moustache, a strong voice, and a confident military manner…At dinner, Zia made an off-the-cuff speech to complement me, not just on Singapore, but especially for standing up to the Western Press…In a press conference before departure, I praised President Zia for his courage in undertaking the dangers of giving logistics support to the Afghans. Had he been a nervous leader who preferred to look the other way, the world would have been worse off. Unfortunately, a few months later, before our relations could progress. Zia was killed in a suspicious plane crash.”

After Zia era ties with Pakistan again got stagnated until Nawaz Sharif became prime minister in November 1990. Describing Nawaz Sharif, LKY observes, “He was a stout man of medium height, short for a Pakistani, already bald although only in his late forties. Unlike the Bhuttos, Nawaz Sharif came out not from the landed property feudal elite but from a middle-class business family in Lahore. He had built up steel, sugar, and textile companies during the years when Pakistan was ruled by military leaders, including Zia ul-Haq. He visited Singapore twice in 1991 --- in March, quietly, to study the reasons for our economic progress; in December, to ask me to visit his country and advise on the opening up of its economy. Pakistan, he said, had started on bold reforms, using Singapore as a model.
He struck me as keen to change and make Pakistan more market oriented. I agreed to go the following year.”

Discussing the economic issues Pakistan faced, LKY observes, “They had a low tax base, with income tax yielding only 2 percent of their GDP. Many transactions in land sales were not documented and tax evasion was widespread. They subsidized agriculture, railways, and steel mills. Defense took 44 percent of the budget, debt servicing 35 percent, leaving 21 percent to administer the country. Hence their budget deficits were 8 to 10 percent of their GDP and inflation was reaching double-digit figures. The IMF had drawn their attention to these parlous figures. The solutions were obvious but political will was difficult to exercise in a country without an educated electorate and with legislature in the grip of landowners who controlled the votes of their uneducated tenant farmers. This made land and tax reforms near impossible. Corruption was rampant, with massive thievery of state property, including illegal tapping of electricity.”

LKY spent a week in Pakistan from 28 February 1992, and met Prime minster Nawaz Sharif and his key cabinet colleagues. LKY portrays economic and finance minister Sartaj Aziz as “irrepressible optimist.” After his visit to Pakistan, he sent prime minister Nawaz Sharif, a report summarizing actions that should be taken to rectify the economic problems. About Nawaz Sharif, LKY recounts, “He was a man of action with much energy…His business background made him believe in private enterprise as the solution for flow growth and he was eager to privatize state enterprises. But in Pakistan they were not sold by inviting open tenders. Friendships, especially political ones, determined who got what. He always believed that something could be done to make things better. The problem was that often he had neither the time nor the patience to have a comprehensive study made before deciding on a solution.
On balance, I believed he was better able to govern than Benazir Bhutto, the leading opposition leader who was later to succeed Nawaz Sharif. He knew more about business, with or without patronage, than either she or her husband, Asif Zardari.”

Nawaz Sharif visited Singapore in December 1992 and asked LKY to visit Pakistan to assess progress on implementing his recommendations. LKY recounts, “He privatized 60 percent of targeted enterprises and foreign investments had increased…I discovered many of my recommendations had not been implemented. I had feared this would happen.
Before I could visit Islamabad again, confrontation between President Khan and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif led to the resignation of both and fresh elections. Benazir beame Prime Minister.”
Recalling his meeting with Benazir, LKY writes, “Shortly after the election, I met Benazir Bhutto in Davos in January 1994. She was elated and full of ideas. She wanted Singapore to participate in a road project from Pakistan to Central Asia going through Afghanistan. I asked for a detailed proposal for us to study. She also wanted us to look into the viability of sick enterprises in Pakistan and take them over.

Her husband was even more ebullient. He was going to build an island off Karachi to develop as free port and a free trade zone with casinos. It was totally uneconomic. Pakistan had so much unused land, what need was there to build an island? Their approach was simple: Singapore was successful, had lots of money, and therefore could invest in Pakistan and make it as successful.”

In March 1995, Bhutto and Asif Zardari visited Singapore. LKY observes, “She said she had heeded my advice in Davos and ensured that all her proposals had been well thought through. She invited Singapore to transfer its labor-intensive industries to Pakistan. I said she would first have to convince our business people…I did not visit Pakistan. She was dismissed from office in 1996 by Leghari, a president she herself had appointed. Nawaz Sharif won the subsequent election in February 1997, to return as prime minister… Pakistan’s deep economic and political problems remained…their politics continued to be poisoned by implacable animosities between leaders of the two main parties. Asif Ali Zardari was charged with the murder of his wife’s brother, Murtaza Bhutto. And husband and wife both charged for corruption involving vast sums of money, some of which was traced to Switzerland.”

LKY also recounts meeting Benazir Bhutto and Asif Zardari at a Commonwealth conference in Kuala Lumpur in October 1989: “I spent one long evening on Langkawi island during the “retreat” (informal gathering of the conference members at some resort), chatting with Prime minister Bhutto and her husband Asif Zardari, learning about Pakistani politics and culture. She had youthful good looks, a fair complexion, and a finely chiseled, photogenic face. He was ebullient and outgoing wheeler-dealer, with no inhibitions in telling me that he was ready to consider any deal in anything --- cutting a good deal was what life was about for him. He was in fruit and other export business, in real estate and everything else. I promised to introduce him to some fruit importers to buy his mangoes, which I did when he visited Singapore accompanying his wife to some meeting in 1995. He was likeable rogue. But I never thought him capable of murdering her brother, a charge made by the Pakistani government after she was thrown out of office by the president.”

LKY observes that Pakistan’s problems were compounded in May 1998 with India’s nuclear explosions. In response Pakistan conducted its own, leaving both countries economically stretched. Recalling his meeting with Nawaz Sharif in May 1999 in Singapore, LKY writes, “…he assured me that he had had good discussions with India’s Prime Minister Vajpayee the previous month and neither side intended to deploy missiles with nuclear warheads. He ventured the view that because both had nuclear capabilities, an all-out war between them would no longer be possible. It is an outcome devoutly to be wished.”

Reflecting on the people of Pakistan, LKY observes, “The Pakistanis are a hardy people with enough of the talented and well-educated to build a modern nation. But unending strife with India has drained Pakistan’s resources and stunted its potential.”

That is a lot of involvement with Singapore
 
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We you can certainly admire him, but what do you mean that the whole world abandoned you ? Singapore exist because the world did not abandon you. You are just a city state and anyone can conquer you if the world din't care.


On a separate note, Lee Kwan Yew's shallow understanding of India surprises me. I though he had more depth.

Most of Singapore's neighbors would have a hell of a time conquering Singapore, and they'd be bankrupt if they did eventually win.
 
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Most of Singapore's neighbors would have a hell of a time conquering Singapore, and they'd be bankrupt if they did eventually win.

It is a CITY with a population who is city bred, soft and civilized. You have NO chance against a invading army. Its funny you should think so.
 
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It is a CITY with a population who is city bred, soft and civilized. You have NO chance against a invading army. Its funny you should think so.

Look at my flag if malnutrition has rendered you half-blind and cross-eyed. A lot of things about Singapore would surprise you. It's one of the major military powers of Southeast Asia, less so now but still
 
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Look at my flag if malnutrition has rendered you half-blind and cross-eyed. A lot of things about Singapore would surprise you. It's one of the major military powers of Southeast Asia, less so now but still

Has eating pigs turned you into one ? what has your flag got to do with anything ? Any moron can put up any flag :lol:

Its hilarious to hear Singapore as a major military power. LOL ....... it does not even merit a reply.
 
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Has eating pigs turned you into one ? what has your flag got to do with anything ? Any moron can put up any flag :lol:

Its hilarious to hear Singapore as a major military power. LOL ....... it does not even merit a reply.

I'm shocked to hear one of your kind heaping contempt on a superior country, simply because you think your "size" means something. Indian, learn how to read properly, I said one of the military powers of Southeast Asia. Singapore should start investigating some of the Indian rats in their country.
 
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32 F-15SG

62 F-16 block 52/52+

all sorts of tankers, awacs, trainers and drones and attack choppers for just 716.1 km²

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Why do this manvan trolls on all the threads is beyond me. Lee might undermined India, but that's not his fault. Fault less within us that even after many years of independence we are not able to lift our poor out of malnutrition, communicable disease etc etc. I know developing a city state is easy compared to a behemoth like India still Lee did a remarkable job doing that. Many small nation doesnt come near to Singapore despite being similar to it.
 
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