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Why should hafiz-e-Quran students be given extra marks: SC

Nobody does hifz for 20 marks. So keep your sarcasm to yourself.
You guys have no idea what you talking about.

Study the Hadith on Hifz. Reward for parents and the Hafiz are conditional upon IMPLEMENTATION of!

99.9% of Hafiz in Pakistan don't even know the meaning of Ayah they are reciting, implementation is a distant dream!

BTW, robber of our house who grabbed the women with knife over the neck was a jahil Hafiz! Had he understood what he had memorised and implemented in his life, he would have never committed such an act! Memorising WITHOUT understanding and implementing is NOTHING!
 
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Study the Hadith on Hifz. Reward for parents and the Hafiz are conditional upon IMPLEMENTATION of!

99.9% of Hafiz don't even know the meaning of Ayah they are reciting, implementation is a distant dream!

BTW, robber of our house who grabbed the women with knife over the neck was a jahil Hafiz! Had he known what he had memorised and implemented in his life, he would have never committed such an act!
Good for you. You deserve to meet such jaahils.
 
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Shouldn't be given any additional marks, there's no connection and that would just be stupid. You should get the required grade, if you can't then it's probably not for you.
 
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It shows a person who can concentrate and dedicate , has self discipline and self control, and can focus.Not just good memory.
Try to memorise Harry Potter word by word, I dare you.
Totally true. But the fellow still scored 19 points less than the one who did not, on the subject (biology) that has a direct relationship to the profession of Medicine/medical doctor. Like I said he is going for a Doctorate in Comparative Religion, all day give him the extra 20 points (if you must). But biology. Seriously.

How we can even argue these points with a straight face is baffling.

Next stop: I want a sniper in my sniper group who is a Hafiz showing his discipline and concentration, but tends to miss every 5th shot at 600yds. Whereas the guy who consistently hits every 5 shots I wont bring him into the team, because he is unable to, by memory recite the Quran. Brilliant logic and the exact reason why the Muslims are in the state we are.

Islamic enlightenment that started from our Prophet (PBUH) a very progressive man, who gave women and slaves rights that the West did not give till the 19th century, among so many other things (environment, animal rights). Then sometime around 400-500 years ago the Clergy in Islam that had become exceedingly powerful and almost an equal to the Khalifah - passed their judgements on Ijitihad. In a nutshell they said no longer are we going to separate religion from reason, which was Ijtihad and something Muslims practiced for centuries prior, but instead we are locking our code and conduct through a form of dogma (they called it Islam) that is now anchored in Taqlid. Precedent that cannot be changed. With this one move the Ulema and clergy, took away the power from the State (by extension people) and permanently made it part of their domain and control (thereby ceasing control of the social construct of our societies). That was the beginning of the end for the Islamic civilization. The Ulema and Clergy of the Courts and Ruling system, then became the final arbiters of social and civil systems. Religion came into everything, and the unraveling of the Islamic civilization began. These same charlatans have since survived through the Colonial years (serving the European Masters), and even today you can see this vein in Islam work with any status quo power (ala the Mullahs of India).

Till we go back to the principles of Ijtihad that guided the gilded years of Islamic civilization, we will remain in this squalor.

Sad part of this entire saga, Islam as a religion never proposed space for a professional clergy the way it exists today. Our religion is about our personal relationship with Allah, no intermediary, our Iman, and our judgement - not subject to another man's interpretation. Which is why we can pray, marry, bury (funerals) and conduct our ways without any religious clergy (which was unique amongst all religions of the world - every other religion has a codified Clergy (not Islam), from Hindus, Buddists, Christians and Jews). It is our own laziness and our enemies active support that we today have amongst us the more retrogressive power, the professional clergy.
 
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Totally true. But the fellow still scored 19 points less than the one who did not, on the subject (biology) that has a direct relationship to the profession of Medicine/medical doctor. Like I said he is going for a Doctorate in Comparative Religion, all day give him the extra 20 points (if you must). But biology. Seriously.

How we can even argue these points with a straight face is baffling.

Next stop: I want a sniper in my sniper group who is a Hafiz showing his discipline and concentration, but tends to miss every 5th shot at 600yds. Whereas the guy who consistently hits every 5 shots I wont bring him into the team, because he is unable to, by memory recite the Quran. Brilliant logic and the exact reason why the Muslims are in the state we are.

Islamic enlightenment that started from our Prophet (PBUH) a very progressive man, who gave women and slaves rights that the West did not give till the 19th century, among so many other things (environment, animal rights). Then sometime around 400-500 years ago the Clergy in Islam that had become exceedingly powerful and almost an equal to the Khalifah - passed their judgements on Ijitihad. In a nutshell they said no longer are we going to separate religion from reason, which was Ijtihad and something Muslims practiced for centuries prior, but instead we are locking our code and conduct through a form of dogma (they called it Islam) that is now anchored in Taqlid. Precedent that cannot be changed. With this one move the Ulema and clergy, took away the power from the State (by extension people) and permanently made it part of their domain and control (thereby ceasing control of the social construct of our societies). That was the beginning of the end for the Islamic civilization. The Ulema and Clergy of the Courts and Ruling system, then became the final arbiters of social and civil systems. Religion came into everything, and the unraveling of the Islamic civilization began. These same charlatans have since survived through the Colonial years (serving the European Masters), and even today you can see this vein in Islam work with any status quo power (ala the Mullahs of India).

Till we go back to the principles of Ijtihad that guided the gilded years of Islamic civilization, we will remain in this squalor.

We are 1 step behind becoming what India is today. The levels of bigotry and the mullah gardi are rising at such levels, it's a matter of time. I never thought i'd live to see the day I wanted to see a Pakistani Attaturk, but here we are. I who consider myself an Islamic conservative, a person who advocates for the Caliphate and for Shariah, would rather see a secular Pakistan than one where Islam becomes Sanghi-fied.
 
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Let's be honest - only reason why 20 marks are given to people is due to Pressure tactics and lawlessness of Mullahs. These people have gripped each and every sector of this country and are killing it slowly. This is the ONLY REASON WHY MARKS ARE GIVEN. NO WHERE ELSE ON THIS EARTH THIS IS DONE but only in this lawless country.
 
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Problem is majority of the hafiz dont know what they are remembering we have 2 ways solve this issues to make arabic common in Pakistan as atleast its understandable or make use of urdu translation compulsory when you are doing hifz.
 
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The lawyer representing the Hafiz was poorly prepared. This created ample space for an infamous judge to disparage religiously sensitive relaxations provided by law of the country.
If judges’ families can benefit from govt facilities because its the law, why cant a hafiz receive preferential treatment owing to the laws?. If a judge can buy expensive British properties for a “discounted” price after generous ‘relaxation’ from the seller, and sucessfully stops FBR from investigating these properties by citing enabling provisions of the ITO law, govt of PK can give relaxations to hafiz people through legislation. If a lawyer can become high court judge just because of quota of bar), why cant a hafiz get some grace marks at the time of admission? Law must reign supreme, right?
Doesnt the judge want seminary students (hafiz aspirants) to go on to become doctors instead of mere molvees? Why is he afraid of memory skills of huffaz?
A good hafiz carries impeccable memory skills. He is well equipped to be a doctor; sometimes more than non-hafiz people. Those who are professional doctors, must be able to understand this logic.

This logic should apply to all religions and beliefs, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, should be rewarded for memorising their scripture or even some other book like the constitution.

I'd also prefer doctors who get in on the basis of merit, if a hafiz doesnt meet the requirements (or need 20 marks to get in) then they clearly are not more intelligent or have better memory than non-hafiz who passed.
 
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Because hifz is not an indicator of medical skills or knowledge. It is an indicator of how good you are at memorising the Quran (and understanding it)
Not even necessarily understanding it.
 
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Curse me, doubt me, ban me, but here is the god honest truth:

I personally know many hafiz i quran (in UK and in Pakistan) who drink, do drugs, f anything on two legs given half a chance, and have achieved absolutely nothing else in their lives other than the claim to know quran by memory.

I would go as far as to say that some of the biggest losers I know happen to also be Hafiz i Quran.

So excuse me if I fully support what the SC has said, and why I don't think that memorising a bunch of words that you don't understand, can't interpret, and don't put into practice, somehow makes you above average intelligent. Even a dumb parrot can pick up words and sounds.

With all due respect, no one forced you to be a Hafiz (other than your family). You did it, achieved it, mashallah and congrats. Now make up for the missed years of education and meet the same criteria as the rest of the world!

Otherwise what's next? I decided to take a few years off for charitable work or to find myself, please make up the marks so now I can be in the same position as someone who studied their a55 off?
 
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Problem is majority of the hafiz dont know what they are remembering we have 2 ways solve this issues to make arabic common in Pakistan as atleast its understandable or make use of urdu translation compulsory when you are doing hifz.
Why would we want to make Arabic common in Pakistan?
We are Pakistanis, not Arabs.
I for one am proud of my Pakistani/Punjabi culture and heritage.
We can start off by renaming Faisalabad as Lyallpur.
The stupic judge can't see why sportsmen, children of university staff and provincial govt references should have allocated seats but has problems with someone who has a sharper mind since memorizing Quran is not an easy task.

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Its 20 marks not 20%
A good memory doesn't equal a sharper mind.
It's just a good memory.
A sharp mind is something entirely different.
 
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Why should hafiz-e-Quran students be given extra marks: SC
The court was hearing a case on medical college admissions
SAMAA | Irfan Ul Haque - Posted: Jan 10, 2022 | Last Updated: 9 hours ago

Why should hafiz-e-Quran students be given extra marks: SC

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The Supreme Court has raised an important question at a hearing pertaining to a medical college admission case in Karachi. “Why should a hafiz-e-Quran student (a person who memorizes the Holy Quran) be given extra marks for university admissions?” Justice Qazi Faez Isa said on Monday.



A student from the Bolan University of Medical and Health Sciences, Quetta, has petitioned the top court after he being denied admission.
At a hearing on January 8, the petitioner, said that if he is given 20% additional marks for being a hafiz-e-Quran, he would be easily enrolled to the varsity on merit.
In 1987, Pakistan passed a law under which hafiz-e-Quran candidates are awarded 20 extra marks at every level after matriculation.
The apex court has sought clarity on the issue. “How are admissions into medical and other colleges linked to being a hafiz-e-Quran? Why should 20 marks extra be given on this basis?” Justice Isa asked.
“We believe that memorising the Quran is sacred. And it is a plus point when someone wants to become the imam of a mosque or a religious lecturer,” he remarked. “But how can a hafiz-e-Quran be a better doctor?”
The petitioner told the court that it was a complicated subject.


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“Why are you scared of Islam? Religion is supposed to make things easier for us,” Justice Isa replied.
The apex court, consequently, dismissed the petition and decided to hold a separate hearing to discuss the matter. Notices have been issued to the Pakistan Medical Commission and others. “This is an important matter. A decision can be reached after discussion,” the Justice Isa said.​
Why should hafiz-e-Quran students be given extra marks: SC - SAMAA

I dislike Faiza with a passion but he is right here
In that case marks got in english, urdu and other irrelevant subjects should also be excluded.

Its simple a qualification. Even terms of capability memorizing such a big book word by word is amazing
Curse me, doubt me, ban me, but here is the god honest truth:

I personally know many hafiz i quran (in UK and in Pakistan) who drink, do drugs, f anything on two legs given half a chance, and have achieved absolutely nothing else in their lives other than the claim to know quran by memory.

I would go as far as to say that some of the biggest losers I know happen to also be Hafiz i Quran.

So excuse me if I fully support what the SC has said, and why I don't think that memorising a bunch of words that you don't understand, can't interpret, and don't put into practice, somehow makes you above average intelligent. Even a dumb parrot can pick up words and sounds.

With all due respect, no one forced you to be a Hafiz (other than your family). You did it, achieved it, mashallah and congrats. Now make up for the missed years of education and meet the same criteria as the rest of the world!

Otherwise what's next? I decided to take a few years off for charitable work or to find myself, please make up the marks so now I can be in the same position as someone who studied their a55 off?
Same can be said by anything or any subject.

Its the issue of the person not the qualification itself. Dont make your opinion and spread it based on a thin minority.
 
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