Why 'secular' Narendra Modi bashers must be ignored

[KS]

The theme of the thread seems to have turned into 'since Congress is bad, BJP, therefore, has every right to be worse'. Congress did Sikh riot of '84. Therefore Gujrat riot is fine. Congress panders to the minorities. Therefore it is alright for BJP to pander to the majority.

- 'Buddy, your shirt is torn'
- 'Fack off. Your fly is open'

Actually that is a wrong understanding on your part.

My contention is if BJP becomes communal by pandering to the majority, the Congress is equally communal as it panders to the minority because both Hinduism and Islam/Christianity are religions.

There is no point in saying pandering to one religion is better than pandering to others. That is hypocrisy.

I mean if a communal dumbshyt like Asaddudin Owaisi whose party thrives on whipping up communal frenzy among a section of the Hyderabad city can be termed 'secular' and he can go on National television given lectures on secularism, I wonder what has 'secularism' come to in India !!

Another example is PDP (Kerala) which is hailed as a secular front but whose members are convicted of serial bomb blasts in Coimbatore. Many parties like this may be in North also, but since I am from South I am giving examples from here.

Yet another is the case of Popular Front of India (yes the same radical outfit that severed the hand of one T.T.Joseph). They are still out there competing in Kerala elections and winning seats. I did not see any 'secular' media or parties make a hue or cry or decry them as communal other than some passing comments. Why ?? the all powerful 'Muslim' vote and the fear of antagonizing it.

It is this hypocrisy among a section of the media and the people calling one section as communal and conveniently praising the other as Secular that is disgusting.

Also another thing is the trial by media in the case of Modi. Let the courts convict him. Then they can hound for his blood. But before the court can do anything why try him in Kangaroo media courts ? And even if he was found guilty the most he could be charge with is Administrative lapses which in itself is not something new to India.

 

[KS]

It was nothing more than political stunt,every kid in India at that know that US gona interfere,closing of Pakistani camps for a limited time and withdrawing of forces immediately,nothing more than diplomatic posturing for internal consumption,

That is totally preposterous for you to assume US would do anything.

Even if it was a political stunt (which it was not) it was a damn good stunt that made the US sit up and force Musharraf to close down the camps. The US was scared that any war between the two will automatically de-generate into nuclear war and that would hurt its own War on Terror that has just began. And no it was not temporarily. It was done for good and that is why you don't see jihadi scums not crossing over into Kashmir like before.

And by your logic what has the US done post 26/11 when there was no deployments (stunts in your parlance) ? Nothing I suppose.

 

[metro]

The theme of the thread seems to have turned into 'since Congress is bad, BJP, therefore, has every right to be worse'. Congress did Sikh riot of '84. Therefore Gujrat riot is fine. Congress panders to the minorities. Therefore it is alright for BJP to pander to the majority.

- 'Buddy, your shirt is torn'
- 'Fack off. Your fly is open'

Oh yeahh... guess what.. all the sins committed by the secular congress will be forgiven right away, becoz they are committed by the congress, the messiah of minorities, defending them from the clutches of the evil right wingers..

Everytime the word modi s mentioned anywhere on any thread, all of a sudden, the flag-bearers of secularity and angels off humanity spawning out of nowhere, and whoaaa...and all start crying from the rooftops..hey how can modi be a PM.. u forgot gujrat.. u forgot how he killed innocent minorities...
My god.
What a paranoid sick people.

-"Hey, how can you support BJP, dont u know its evil and communal..?"
-"so what..! Their evilness becomes pale before the evilness of congress, and BJP did nothing, that Congress never did/doing"
-"Whhhhaaaatt... how dare you criticize congress, u evil right wing fascist looney...... *heart attack*"
-"hahaha.... keep shitting in your pants.. congress is going to be doomed within next 3 years..""

 

[prototype]

That is totally preposterous for you to assume US would do anything.

Even if it was a political stunt (which it was not) it was a damn good stunt that made the US sit up and force Musharraf to close down the camps. The US was scared that any war between the two will automatically de-generate into nuclear war and that would hurt its own War on Terror that has just began. And no it was not temporarily. It was done for good and that is why you don't see jihadi scums not crossing over into Kashmir like before.

And by your logic what has the US done post 26/11 when there was no deployments (stunts in your parlance) ? Nothing I suppose.

US not did any thing after 26/11,do u seriously believe,I dont know what was then Condoleezza Rice doing in New Delhi and Islamabad on 4 December 2008,in every stand off between India and Pakistan it is the US which decides the result,it is preposterous of u who think that India do not succumb to US pressure, definitely at a time when US is concerned about it's business.

Parliament attacks where no exception,again it was US which decided the fate of the confrontation,give me a single reason why India withdraw the forces after those big mouth promises,jihadi scums r not involved in India after that,r u serious?

 

[prototype]

Oh yeahh... guess what.. all the sins committed by the secular congress will be forgiven right away, becoz they are committed by the congress, the messiah of minorities, defending them from the clutches of the evil right wingers..

Everytime the word modi s mentioned anywhere on any thread, all of a sudden, the flag-bearers of secularity and angels off humanity spawning out of nowhere, and whoaaa...and all start crying from the rooftops..hey how can modi be a PM.. u forgot gujrat.. u forgot how he killed innocent minorities...
My god.
What a paranoid sick people.

-"Hey, how can you support BJP, dont u know its evil and communal..?"
-"so what..! Their evilness becomes pale before the evilness of congress, and BJP did nothing, that Congress never did/doing"
-"Whhhhaaaatt... how dare you criticize congress, u evil right wing fascist looney...... *heart attack*"
-"hahaha.... keep shitting in your pants.. congress is going to be doomed within next 3 years..""

The letters in bold is simply what he also mentioned,If I am bad u have every right to be worse.

 

[metro]

The letters in bold is simply what he also mentioned,If I am bad u have every right to be worse.

And finally we have to choose the lesser evil. Closing eyes fr the bigger evil and being paranoid about the lesser evil is hypocrisy.
You cant judge one without comparing it to the other.

 

[KS]

US not did any thing after 26/11,do u seriously believe,I dont know what was then Condoleezza Rice doing in New Delhi and Islamabad on 4 December 2008,in every stand off between India and Pakistan it is the US which decides the result,it is preposterous of u who think that India do not succumb to US pressure, definitely at a time when US is concerned about it's business.

She was advising our beloved Indian PM to stand down and dont make any foolish moves and comforting those folks in Isloo that dont worry we are there to save your aZZ.

On a serious note - India did succumb to US pressure in Op.Parakram and everyone knows that. But we succumbed or stood down after achieving significant results. The US saw India was serious in its threat (unless otherwise you don't mobilise nearly nearly a million soldiers on the border) and unlike the promises given by Pakistan earlier the US saw to it that the Pakistanis fulfilled the promises (shutting down m ost of the militant camps) that time.

Now tell me what has happened on 26/11. We keep sending dossier after dossier and Pakistan keeps asking for "substantial" proof every time without breaking a sweat after throwing the dossiers in the bin.

Not even a single person has been arrested not prosecuted.Hafiz sayed is still free going from city to city calling for Jihad against India.

Parliament attacks where no exception,again it was US which decided the fate of the confrontation,give me a single reason why India withdraw the forces after those big mouth promises,jihadi scums r not involved in India after that,r u serious?

because the US forced Pakistan to shut down most of the militant training camps in .

And it is a fact infiltration and insurgency has gone down significantly in Kashmir after that.

 

[Pride]

It is obvious that to you someone who doesn't support the BJP blindly has to be a Congress supporter. There's news for you; it is possible, as a practising Indian democrat, to be critical of both BJP and Congress. That incidentally is my position; ever since my teens forty years ago, I have been against the Congress and what it represents, so try not to equate criticism of the BJP with support for the Congress; that is not a political argument, only a confession of failure to provide a convincing alternative to arguments pillorying the BJP and its worst ministers, like Modi.

While I would love to reply on each and every point of yours but that would be quite an effort again to put the things on a proper way. The points which I mentioned are my sole opinion and my POV. I am neither a lover of Congress and nor in bed with BJP, What I am is a core Nationalistic (and an atheist, so no religious inclination) being a grandson of Communist Freedom fighter. If It could not be conveyed in my comments then it is only issue.

My PoV regarding a leader is that one whose inclination towards economic development of country is more important and judgement of such leader should be in definite time span. Modi, in my opinion, proved much better than their current counterparts and hence displayed a proper leadership while his actions can worsen Gujrat but it happened totally different. To hate me more, I say I love Hitler as well because of his ambitions, leadership qualities and operating way of his country while I hate him core from the heart of bringing world on war and Holocaust. Its my choice of watching Half glass on full side and distinguishing traits from decisions. If any criminal out there in Tihar can make our political system much better, I would love to reign him on good positions rather than having sucker politicos of Congress who are good for nothing.

My frustration is also towards inefficient judiciary and hypocrisy of Media and Congress towards one person rather than a whole political group.

PS: I have already respect for you and you earned more after the discussion.

 

[prototype]

And finally we have to choose the lesser evil. Closing eyes fr the bigger evil and being paranoid about the lesser evil is hypocrisy.
You cant judge one without comparing it to the other.

ok,let as assume u r thief who had so far done 1 looting,I am also a thief who had 10 looting,so does this make an angel since u were involved in 9 less loots than me,and make me the only man with the corrupt morale since I had done 9 more than u,at the end of the day we both are thives and what we both enjoy is looting.

Like Joe told us earlier this is not some zero point game,I being a critique of BJP does not mean I am a supporter of Congress,if u r morally against corruption the fact that u should only consider that who were involved rather than the magnitude,BJP was only in seat for 5 yrs compared to congress's 50 yrs,definitely they will have a small account.

 

[prototype]

She was advising our beloved Indian PM to stand down and dont make any foolish moves and comforting those folks in Isloo that dont worry we are there to save your aZZ.

Basically u r implying the same here what I mean,sit down its we who decide what u should do.

On a serious note - India did succumb to US pressure in Op.Parakram and everyone knows that. But we succumbed or stood down after achieving significant results. The US saw India was serious in its threat (unless otherwise you don't mobilise nearly nearly a million soldiers on the border) and unlike the promises given by Pakistan earlier the US saw to it that the Pakistanis fulfilled the promises (shutting down m ost of the militant camps) that time.

This does not make any sense my friend,since u clearly circumvented my question,what was the exact reason due to which India backed down,unless US contained them

Now tell me what has happened on 26/11. We keep sending dossier after dossier and Pakistan keeps asking for "substantial" proof every time without breaking a sweat after throwing the dossiers in the bin.

Not even a single person has been arrested not prosecuted.Hafiz sayed is still free going from city to city calling for Jihad against India.

26/11 had not happened if the effective measures(what u call) were already in place

Hafiz sayed's let was involved in both the attacks,which basically means he was still a free man after parliament attack's also.

because the US forced Pakistan to shut down most of the militant training camps in .

And it is a fact infiltration and insurgency has gone down significantly in Kashmir after that.

Hmmm,basically means ,not a single incident happened in India after parliament attacks,is it?

 

[metro]

ok,let as assume u r thief who had so far done 1 looting,I am also a thief who had 10 looting,so does this make an angel since u were involved in 9 less loots than me,and make me the only man with the corrupt morale since I had done 9 more than u,at the end of the day we both are thives and what we both enjoy is looting.

But if you are a thief who has been continuously looting my people for decades after decades, and throwing all the loot in foreign banks, and on the other hand, there is thief who has this record of spare a part of the loot for the development of people also. then i would blindly choose the later one, if gotten a choice between the two.

Like Joe told us earlier this is not some zero point game,I being a critique of BJP does not mean I am a supporter of Congress,if u r morally against corruption the fact that u should only consider that who were involved rather than the magnitude,BJP was only in seat for 5 yrs compared to congress's 50 yrs,definitely they will have a small account.

I dont read Joe's posts, not becoz I dont like them, but becoz i find them too lengthy, and i m a very impatient man by nature, so dont know what all he said in his posts.
But as is said earlier, If have to choose between a baby snake and an adult snake, i would without any doubt choose a baby snake.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

If I be Indian I will vote for BJP

 

[prototype]

But if you are a thief who has been continuously looting my people for decades after decades, and throwing all the loot in foreign banks, and on the other hand, there is thief who has this record of spare a part of the loot for the development of people also. then i would blindly choose the later one, if gotten a choice between the two.

I dont read Joe's posts, not becoz I dont like them, but becoz i find them too lengthy, and i m a very impatient man by nature, so dont know what all he said in his posts.
But as is said earlier, If have to choose between a baby snake and an adult snake, i would without any doubt choose a baby snake.

So what do u find sinful here,depositing money in foreign bank's or my involvement in looting's,and if I deposited in Indian banks,had that subsidized the crime I committed,and I dont agree with ur point of looting for development,this robin hood's and Chulbul pandey's only exist in stories and movie,if u have a desire for development of people especially u have power in hand,u dont have to go for looting.

Any way its ur choice if u want to go with the baby snake,different people different pov,my case i will not even select the baby since it's poison can also send u to heaven or hell(my place).

 

[prototype]

If I be Indian I will vote for BJP

i thought u people hate BJP,u r one exception and i like that.

 

[metro]

So what do u find sinful here,depositing money in foreign bank's or my involvement in looting's,and if I deposited in Indian banks,had that subsidized the crime I committed,and I dont agree with ur point of looting for development,this robin hood's and Chulbul pandey's only exist in stories and movie,if u have a desire for development of people especially u have power in hand,u dont have to go for looting.

Any way its ur choice if u want to go with the baby snake,different people different pov,my case i will not even select the baby since it's poison can also send u to heaven or hell(my place).

The money that you looted does not belong to you. People trusted you and brought you to the power, while you kept on looting them decades after decades, even the magnitude of loot keeps on increasing month after month.
You hide you loot in foreign banks so that none can come to know about it.
For you second point, you dont have to quote exaples of chulbul and robin, examples of Gujrat, Madhya Pradesh, Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh and even Bihar etc.etc. etc. would be sufficient.
I choose to keep the baby snake, not becoz it doesn't bite, but becoz it is not experienced in biting and since its a baby, it might be possible it doesnt bite at all, afterall not all snakes are poisonous. But for that, it has to be given a chance.